Farmer77 Posted February 26, 2017 Author #51 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Just now, RoofGardener said: Thanks for helping me out there Farmer77. I'd agree that the law is... wrong. And I might have some sympathy for Obama making an Executive Order to turn a "blind eye" to States that created illegal - or even insurrectionist - laws (or state-level Exec Orders) to de-emphasise implemenation of the Democratically authorised Federal Laws. But isn't it then hypocrisy for Democrats to criticise Trump for merely suggesting that the existing Federal Laws, created by a democratically elected congress... AND NEVER REPEALED after 40 years of general elections.. should be enforced ? Is that REALLY grounds for criticism ? I hear your point but in my opinion it is grounds for criticism. Now you're not wrong about the democrats and hypocrisy however anytime a nation or an individual for that matter takes steps to better themselves, learn from the mistakes of the past and grow there is going to be a decent amount of hypocrisy if thats how we choose to label it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 26, 2017 #52 Share Posted February 26, 2017 So Donald Trump is worthy of criticism of enforcing the will of Congress ? (and by implication, the will of the American People ) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 26, 2017 Author #53 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: So Donald Trump is worthy of criticism of enforcing the will of Congress ? (and by implication, the will of the American People ) ? Seriously? I coulda hung with you if you hadnt added that will of the American people part. Support for Legal Marijuana Use Up to 60% in U.S. I already outlined how the government lied for 40 years before passing the controlled substance act and we can directly correlate the US populaces opinion on marijuana legalization with those lies being exposed over the last couple of decades. Yes he still deserves criticism. Finally I gotta say no vote in congress has been done at the will of the American people for at least 30 years now. Edited February 26, 2017 by Farmer77 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted February 26, 2017 #54 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Excellent posts on this thread. The historical bits are sweet as afternoon tea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNate Posted February 26, 2017 #55 Share Posted February 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Dark_Grey said: "Almost all of the marijuana and the methamphetamine that are seized in the U.S. are coming from Mexico, according to a new report." You are confusing pot "consumed" and pot "seized". You quoted Breitbart but evidently didn't read it (mistakes happen) So Trump hasn't actually done anything to hurt state's rights. I'm getting tired of using this argument but this did start under Obama's administration and Hillary said she intended to do the same if she won. There are very few pot-friendly people in Office. You can dislike Trump but you can't claim he's responsible for things that haven't even happened. Nothing's been "reversed". I think I made it pretty clear I was kidding about the article, but what are you talking about? The article is suggesting that "99% of the pot and meth coming into the states is coming from Mexico". Despite being a hilarious statistic, what is this about consumption vs. seizure? I read the article three more times just in case I missed something (hugely annoying that I had to read Breitbart once, let alone four times)... And I suppose you're right...the reversal only happens should action be taken on the statement he made. I don't know how "pot friendly" people are in office, however up until now it has been "friendly" enough to allow Colorado over four years to prove the benefits of legalization, not to mention disprove the hysteria around what would happen if legalization occurred. You can tap dance around word choices if that pleases you, but it doesn't take away from the fact that this is yet another wrong minded shart out of the Trump administration, and would be a wrong minded shart if done by HRC. Bernie Sanders, or Yogi the Bear. Bad policy is bad policy, regardless of where it's coming from. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted February 26, 2017 #56 Share Posted February 26, 2017 4 hours ago, EnderOTD said: Pot is only gateway drug because it is illegal. When was the last time you went to the liquor store and ended up buying two grams of mushrooms as well? The real gateway drug seems to be prescription pain killers. The government cracked down on doctors prescribing it and now we have more heroine OD's than ever. If people are in pain they will resort to other resources even if they aren't safe. Maybe they should keep letting the people that are addicted to pain killers have it but stop prescribing them so readily in the future. I seem to have a lot of dental problems lately. I advised my dentist on how many pain pills someone should get for the procedure I was getting, laser dental surgery. I told him if they are only going to do it once on a couple of teeth they only need about 4 strong enough to do the job but not a full prescription. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 27, 2017 #57 Share Posted February 27, 2017 19 hours ago, Farmer77 said: Seriously? I coulda hung with you if you hadnt added that will of the American people part. Support for Legal Marijuana Use Up to 60% in U.S. I already outlined how the government lied for 40 years before passing the controlled substance act and we can directly correlate the US populaces opinion on marijuana legalization with those lies being exposed over the last couple of decades. Yes he still deserves criticism. Finally I gotta say no vote in congress has been done at the will of the American people for at least 30 years now. Well, you are entitled to your opinion in regards Donald Trump in general. And I'd agree that Marijuana should be legalised, on a par with cigarettes and alcohol. However, to criticise the president for simply enforcing the law seems surreal. The Controlled Substance Act has been revised many times since 1970. Not ONE president has attempted to repeal it (or rather... to remove Marijuana from its scope). Not one; Democrat or Republican. The Supreme Court confirmed in 2005 that Federal Law trumped State Law on the issue of Marijuana, and that the Federal Government had an absolute constitutional right to ban the substance, over-ruling State laws. And yet it's Donald Trumps fault ? He's somehow evil for upholding the decisions of Congress and the Supreme Court ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 27, 2017 Author #58 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Just now, RoofGardener said: And yet it's Donald Trumps fault ? He's somehow evil for upholding the decisions of Congress and the Supreme Court ? Yep. The fact that he is willing to ruin lives over a now known to be safe plant makes him evil. Its a pretty simple equation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted February 27, 2017 #59 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Farmer77 said: Yep. The fact that he is willing to ruin lives over a now known to be safe plant makes him evil. Its a pretty simple equation. He isn't willing to do anything yet. Evil? I'll tell you what bud, when that happens I will be on here and taking your side, until then, it's just bluster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 27, 2017 Author #60 Share Posted February 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, .ZZ. said: He isn't willing to do anything yet. Evil? I'll tell you what bud, when that happens I will be on here and taking your side, until then, it's just bluster. For the record evil wasnt my word....... but i did run with it ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted February 27, 2017 #61 Share Posted February 27, 2017 What 0bama said, and what he actually did were two very different things. The guy busted several dispensaries. Anyhow Im sorry Farm, this really sucks. The people need to stand in such numbers as to have the law changed, and turn it into political suicide to remain the same on the subject. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted February 27, 2017 #62 Share Posted February 27, 2017 So.. if approval ratings for Marijuana are indeed at 60%, why hasn't this translated into effective political pressure ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted February 27, 2017 #63 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, preacherman76 said: Anyhow Im sorry Farm, this really sucks. The people need to stand in such numbers as to have the law changed, and turn it into political suicide to remain the same on the subject. I really thought we were past this point. I guess never underestimate the power of tradition (or "Reefer Madness") They couldn't even remove it from Schedule 1? Really?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 27, 2017 Author #64 Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: So.. if approval ratings for Marijuana are indeed at 60%, why hasn't this translated into effective political pressure ? Corruption is legal in America. Its that simple. Princeton and Northwestern released this study a few years back which shows conclusively that America has devolved into an oligarchy : Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens I really like the video below. It sums up the paper above quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted February 27, 2017 #65 Share Posted February 27, 2017 i said it would happen before trump was even elected. and it has, however there is plenty of room to get worst, the list of people that used weed, and records of transactions, from dispensaries, those are proof of committing federal crime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 27, 2017 Author #66 Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, aztek said: i said it would happen before trump was even elected. and it has, however there is plenty of room to get worst, the list of people that used weed, and records of transactions, from dispensaries, those are proof of committing federal crime. Great something else for me to be paranoid about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted February 27, 2017 #67 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Farmer77 said: Great something else for me to be paranoid about sorry man, but if it makes you feel better, i'm wrong sometimes, could be wrong about it too. but those lists are wet dreams of about any federal prosecutor. Edited February 27, 2017 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted February 27, 2017 Author #68 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aztek said: sorry man, but if it makes you feel better, i'm wrong sometimes, could be wrong about it too. but those lists are wet dreams of about any federal prosecutor. I almost didnt get my medical license exactly because of this but chose the short term safety of being legal locally. There is a reason my backyard leads to thousands of miles of untamed desert though Edited February 27, 2017 by Farmer77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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