Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 #1 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I was going to post this in the 'Milo' thread, but I see that it's been locked. Perhaps this one will be too. One way or the other, I hope that each side takes from it that both Conservatism and Liberalism (Re: 'Violence From the Left thread') are being high-jacked by reactionaries. *WARNING: Anti Trump sentiments are expressed (it is a Vox article after all).* Meet the 16-year-old Canadian girl who took down Milo Yiannopoulos This is the real story of how the video that took down Milo surfaced. Consider CPAC’s position: They thought they would get away with inviting someone as inflammatory as Yiannopoulos, despite his past bigoted remarks. In doing this, they were pushing the boundaries of the acceptable — potentially letting a hateful man speak in detail about his ideas on a mainstream conservative stage, supposedly in the defense of free speech. Then it all backfired. And CPAC, along with Yiannopoulos’s publishers and Breitbart, disowned him. If you’re an organization like CPAC looking at all of this, it will probably make you think twice about giving someone like Yiannopoulos a platform. Maybe these reactionaries really are a dangerous kind of breed of conservatism, and they should be treated as such. The Canadian teenager said she hopes this is the lesson conservatives draw from the Yiannopoulos debacle. And more broadly, she hopes that her actions will push groups like CPAC to stand up for traditionally conservative values instead of embracing provocative figures just because they attack the left. “You shouldn’t have to feel intimidated to stand up for what you believe in,” she said. “Hopefully they’ll realize that you can’t keep being this reactionary movement — if you can even call it that. You can’t just keep looking for enemies to attack and pointing the finger. Eventually, you have to stand up for something.” http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/24/14715774/milo-yiannopoulos-cpac-pedophile-video-canada 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #2 Share Posted February 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: If you’re an organization like CPAC looking at all of this, it will probably make you think twice about giving someone like Yiannopoulos a platform. Maybe these reactionaries really are a dangerous kind of breed of conservatism, and they should be treated as such. Oh yes! Conservatives should not have openly gay people around in their ranks! Certainly not those who can articulate their conservative ideas!This would be dangerous, would it not? (To the left!) And everyone knows it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #3 Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: Oh yes! Conservatives should not have openly gay people around in their ranks! Certainly not those who can articulate their conservative ideas!This would be dangerous, would it not? (To the left!) And everyone knows it. Does he articulate 'real' conservative values and ideas though? No more so than how rioters articulate 'real' liberal values and ideas. Both sides of the spectrum have been 'shanghaied' by reactionaries apparently. That's where I'm coming from. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted February 28, 2017 #4 Share Posted February 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: Oh yes! Conservatives should not have openly gay people around in their ranks! Certainly not those who can articulate their conservative ideas!This would be dangerous, would it not? (To the left!) And everyone knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #5 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Likely Guy said: Does he articulate 'real' conservative values and ideas though? Sure. Why would 'his' conservative values and ideas not be 'real'? 4 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: No more so than how rioters articulate 'real' liberal values and ideas. IDK, do they? I would hope not. At any rate, Milo is not a rioter on the "right", so how are you trying to make some kind of false equality there? 9 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Both sides of the spectrum have been 'shanghaied' by reactionaries apparently. That's where I'm coming from. That's the thing. There is no comparison here, Milo is not a reactionary. He just talks about his mostly conservative views! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: That's the thing. There is no comparison here, Milo is not a reactionary. He just talks about his mostly conservative views! Do you mostly agree with him? Does 'he' speak for you? Of course not. Reactionaries are the problem. Edited February 28, 2017 by Likely Guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #7 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Do you mostly agree with him? Of course not. Yes I do mostly agree with Milo. You don't know how I or anyone else thinks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #8 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Just now, lost_shaman said: Yes I do mostly agree with Milo. You don't know how I or anyone else thinks. Do you agree with his opinions on women? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #9 Share Posted February 28, 2017 In hindsight I should have reworded the title.- It's not so much about Milo as it's about the alt-right and the alt-left. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted February 28, 2017 #10 Share Posted February 28, 2017 9 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: Sure. Why would 'his' conservative values and ideas not be 'real'? IDK, do they? I would hope not. Quote Yiannopoulos has expressly said he is not a conservative. His entire schtick is about political correctness. He has championed the alt-right, despite claiming not to be a part of the alt-right. He has made more than his fair share of media attention getting incendiary comments,including about a Catholic priest and sexual relations between younger and older men, though he claims some tapes circulating were edited. The unedited bits appear problematic at best. If CPAC’s criteria for inviting someone is just in opposition to political correctness, then Milo Yiannopoulos fits the bill. CPAC, like a lot of the right, has tended to have a harder time drawing crowds in eras of Republican dominance and this may be their way of filling seats. The brand, however, should stand for something. If CPAC wanted to invite conservatives who have been targeted by opponents of free speech, they could have given the keynote to someone like David Daleiden, whose Center for Medical Progress was sued for exposing Planned Parenthood. ACU knows that Yiannopoulos is not a conservative, or they should since he has said he is not repeatedly. The senior citizen core of ACU is now going to be targeted by ACU critics with Yiannopoulos’s own words on sex, Catholic priests, etc. And not a bit of this will advance conservatism. http://theresurgent.com/on-cpac/ Quote A Conservative Against Milo Yiannopoulos As a campus conservative, former chair of the Emory College Republicans and advocate for free speech, I condemn the crude and hateful rhetoric of Milo Yiannopoulos. Yiannopoulos does not speak for most Republicans, or for conservatives for that matter, and his obscene posturing is not representative of the substantive discourse that College Republicans have traditionally endorsed and promoted through their programming this year. Though Yiannopoulos initially reached out to the Emory College Republicans after the Donald Trump chalking incident in March, the executive board refused to engage his appeals. An Emory Law student, in coordination with individual club members, organized and planned his speaking event using private funds. Many members of the executive board and of the club’s general body were neither aware of the event’s organization nor in favor of the event taking place at all. Yiannopoulos specializes in stoking resentment, grievances and ugly passions. He praises offensiveness for its own sake.Traditionally, conservatives have taught that freedom is most fully realized through our actions with others and through the recognition of mutual rights and duties. Though we have the right to freedom of speech, we also have the duty to promote civil discourse and debate. Exalting crudity, offense, and cruel ad-hominem attacks as virtues only inhibits political discourse and undermines the very goal of free speech — the free exchange of ideas. http://emorywheel.com/conservatives-against-milo-yiannopoulos/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #11 Share Posted February 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Do you agree with his opinions on women? What would it matter? That would not make Milo a "reactionary" of the "right" if I did or didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #12 Share Posted February 28, 2017 ASA, your links above read like hack jobs written for a left leaning audience. Loaded rhetoric with very little substance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #13 Share Posted February 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: What would it matter? That would not make Milo a "reactionary" of the "right" if I did or didn't. He spoke from the platform he was given. Thankfully 'Julia' and the Reagan Battalion got on the same page and took it away. Meet the "Reagan Battalion": http://www.thereaganbattalion.com/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarakore Posted February 28, 2017 #14 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: ASA, your links above read like hack jobs written for a left leaning audience. Loaded rhetoric with very little substance. Except both were written by conservative. Quote Erickson joined the conservative blog RedState in 2005. He later served as its editor-in-chief. Erickson was also the CEO of RedState, Inc. While working at RedState, Erickson developed a reputation as one of the most powerful conservatives in the United States. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Erickson Quote Amelia Sims, head of the College Republicans at Emory University http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/free-speech-campus-conformity-sjw-coercion/comment-page-1/ It would seem both understand conservatism better than you at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #15 Share Posted February 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Meet the "Reagan Battalion" That's ok. They are irrelevant before and still are. 4 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Thankfully 'Julia' and the Reagan Battalion got on the same page and took it away. You are happy to see someone silenced? Have you investigated exactly what was or was not said? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #16 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said: It would seem both understand conservatism better than you at this point. ...and Liberals appear no better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #17 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: That's ok. They are irrelevant before and still are. You are happy to see someone silenced? Have you investigated exactly what was or was not said? Anyone that makes a living off of spewing hateful rhetoric? Yes, yes... a thousand times, yes. Edited February 28, 2017 by Likely Guy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #18 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said: Except both were written by conservative. I'm a conservative. 2 minutes ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said: It would seem both understand conservatism better than you at this point. Conservatism is not about the number of "merit badges"... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #19 Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Anyone that makes a living off of spewing hateful rhetoric? Yes, yes... a thousand times, yes. I guess you've never heard Milo then? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #20 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, lost_shaman said: I guess you've never heard Milo then? I've read some of what he's said and written. He's definitely not full of love and understanding. He's caustic and divisive (and that's being kind). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #21 Share Posted February 28, 2017 As soon as someone speaks out about reactionary Liberals, I'll agree. The whole thing has gone too far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #22 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Likely Guy said: I've read some of what he's said and written. He's definitely not full of love and understanding. He's caustic and divisive (and that's being kind). You should actually listen to the guy. Reading a transcript that's not in context isn't going to let you understand you he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted February 28, 2017 Author #23 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: You should actually listen to the guy. Reading a transcript that's not in context isn't going to let you understand you he is. I've read enough. He makes his living off of attacking the Left. I dislike him as much as the reactionary elements of BLM that shanghaied a grass roots organization that had a valid concern. Edited February 28, 2017 by Likely Guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted February 28, 2017 #24 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Likely Guy said: I've read enough. He makes his living off of attacking the Left. Ok. Then, you really don't know what you are talking about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted February 28, 2017 #25 Share Posted February 28, 2017 23 minutes ago, lost_shaman said: I'm a conservative. I can believe that, but apparently you don't fit into the prescribed box that this fellow's mind has ascribed to you, and that he thinks all Conservatives must conform to. Tiresome, isn't it? I can't wait to see what these guys have to say about Libertarians... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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