XenoFish Posted May 11, 2017 #26 Share Posted May 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Matt221 said: *Note to oneself* 1.If it's a ghost 2.If it's a demon 3.DON'T BE FOOLED Right think I've got it Although.......... Good plan but.....what if it's the ghost of an alien demon? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted May 11, 2017 #27 Share Posted May 11, 2017 11 hours ago, Future ghost said: The best example I've heard of is a woman named Noreen Rennier ( at least I think that's her name). I've heard that she has worked with police on several different occasions, and accurately pinpointed the location of a missing plane. Of course I can't verify her " abilities ", but I would think that someone who is only pretending to be psychic wouldn't put their reputation on the line by working with police, and police wouldn't request her help if they didn't believe she possessed some sort of insight. I think most people who claim to be psychic are lying about it, but who knows? Thanks for that FG. Problem is, like many, many of these claimants, they will not be specific about any case where it could be verified that they really achieved something! With Noreen Renier, her nearest prediction to a hit was a series of comments she made about Reagan, but they were initially vague and we have to take into account sheer coincidence. Renier is rather eager to disown all her failed predictions - see here for a review of her autobiography... It's pretty damning stuff, and could be countered by just one properly documented police case file. But there is always the excuse that the really interesting hits they claim cannot be verified to protect the victims, etc etc blah blah. Given her claim about hundreds of cases, surely there would be one that was verifiable? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ghost Posted May 12, 2017 #28 Share Posted May 12, 2017 17 minutes ago, ChrLzs said: Thanks for that FG. Problem is, like many, many of these claimants, they will not be specific about any case where it could be verified that they really achieved something! With Noreen Renier, her nearest prediction to a hit was a series of comments she made about Reagan, but they were initially vague and we have to take into account sheer coincidence. Renier is rather eager to disown all her failed predictions - see here for a review of her autobiography... It's pretty damning stuff, and could be countered by just one properly documented police case file. But there is always the excuse that the really interesting hits they claim cannot be verified to protect the victims, etc etc blah blah. Given her claim about hundreds of cases, surely there would be one that was verifiable? I was willing to give some of these so-called psychics the benefit of the doubt, but now I see they really are all full of b.s. Thanks for the article, it's funny how you only see the "hits" being documented, and not the many "misses". I still don't understand how anyone in law enforcement can believe people like this as you would think they would have done research on their abilities before asking them to help on a case. After all, isn't looking into people's backgrounds what they do? Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted May 12, 2017 #29 Share Posted May 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, Future ghost said: I was willing to give some of these so-called psychics the benefit of the doubt, but now I see they really are all full of b.s. Thanks for the article, it's funny how you only see the "hits" being documented, and not the many "misses". I still don't understand how anyone in law enforcement can believe people like this as you would think they would have done research on their abilities before asking them to help on a case. After all, isn't looking into people's backgrounds what they do? Thanks for the info! I think this is one area where it just shows that this sort of thing isn't harmless fun... Raising false hopes for people who are victims is terribly cruel, and then there's the waste of resources on wild goose chases.. Problem is, some of these folks will occasionally get lucky and then self-delude, so they may genuinely believe they can help. And of course, sometimes the authorities may get so frustrated when they cannot solve a case they will try anything just to be seen to be doing something. The use of 'psychics' like this seemed to peak back in the 60's, perhaps we were all a bit more naive? It seems very rare these days and I reckon that's a good thing. At least until someone is genuinely shown to have 'the power'.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ghost Posted May 12, 2017 #30 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Just now, ChrLzs said: I think this is one area where it just shows that this sort of thing isn't harmless fun... Raising false hopes for people who are victims is terribly cruel, and then there's the waste of resources on wild goose chases.. Problem is, some of these folks will occasionally get lucky and then self-delude, so they may genuinely believe they can help. And of course, sometimes the authorities may get so frustrated when they cannot solve a case they will try anything just to be seen to be doing something. The use of 'psychics' like this seemed to peak back in the 60's, perhaps we were all a bit more naive? It seems very rare these days and I reckon that's a good thing. At least until someone is genuinely shown to have 'the power'.... You make a very good point. I had never really thought of it that way. But I do have the power...I see myself... hitting the " like " button.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt221 Posted May 12, 2017 #31 Share Posted May 12, 2017 10 hours ago, XenoFish said: Good plan but.....what if it's the ghost of an alien demon? As before and hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #32 Share Posted May 13, 2017 On 5/11/2017 at 2:31 PM, XenoFish said: Good plan but.....what if it's the ghost of an alien demon? Well, that's just silly. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #33 Share Posted May 13, 2017 On 5/11/2017 at 9:52 AM, Orphalesion said: Well with all this bickering we are forgetting the most important questions like: 1) Are those demons hot? 2) Are they looking for fun? 3) Do they have grinder profiles? 4) Why don't they ever come to my bedside at night? 5) Are they into kinky stuff? 6) What else can they do with those forked tails? This can be accomplished, but it can be unnerving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 13, 2017 #34 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: This can be accomplished, but it can be unnerving. I was thinking that someone likes a lot of hentai. Edited May 13, 2017 by XenoFish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #35 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: I was thinking that someone like a lot of hentai. Summon Cthulhu then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 13, 2017 #36 Share Posted May 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: Summon Cthulhu then? So many meme's, so many that I can't post. Oh, how the dirty jokes would flow free right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted May 13, 2017 #37 Share Posted May 13, 2017 On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Paranormal Gal said: What you are in life is what you are in death! If someone was a real Jackazz they are that way in death From a biological point...can you explain how this works? And can you give me your proven source to this claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #38 Share Posted May 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, freetoroam said: From a biological point...can you explain how this works? And can you give me your proven source to this claim. People will experience phenomena that will confirm what they truly believe. It can only be explained through a psychological viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted May 13, 2017 #39 Share Posted May 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: People will experience phenomena that will confirm what they truly believe. It can only be explained through a psychological viewpoint. But she claims what you are in life, you are in death...unless she has experienced both....then there is no way she could know this....nor can anyone else who is alive. So i am asking her for her proven source which gave her this info..., which would be a dead person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #40 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, freetoroam said: But she claims what you are in life, you are in death...unless she has experienced both....then there is no way she could know this....nor can anyone else who is alive. So i am asking her for her proven source which gave her this info..., which would be a dead person. I can speak for going through the whole EVP thing on a personal level. You hear what you think you should hear, for better or worse. And in fact, I did hear a conglomeration of opinions. Seemed like either no one actually knew, or that "they" were being deliberately confusing. Ultimately, I concluded it was my own psyche messing with me, and I put down the ghost box. Better ways to kill time, I imagine. There's definitely a rabbit hole to go down, but it's a rabbit hole of your own making. Edited May 13, 2017 by ChaosRose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 13, 2017 #41 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: People will experience phenomena that will confirm what they truly believe. It can only be explained through a psychological viewpoint. All of this stuff can be explained from a psychological view point. Which is why I have such a massive gripe about modern occultism. Edited May 13, 2017 by XenoFish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #42 Share Posted May 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: All of this stuff can be explained from a psychological view point. Which is why I have such a massive gripe about modern occultism. The typical skeptic will usually stick to the line that there is no actual phenomena experienced. And I'm sure there are people who just make **** up. Don't get me wrong. But I can attest that phenomena can actually be experienced. It's just that when it is...the experiencer is typically on a downward spiral of the psyche that they need to get themselves out of. Wallowing in it isn't healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 13, 2017 #43 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: The typical skeptic will usually stick to the line that there is no actual phenomena experienced. And I'm sure there are people who just make **** up. Don't get me wrong. But I can attest that phenomena can actually be experienced. It's just that when it is...the experiencer is typically on a downward spiral of the psyche that they need to get themselves out of. Wallowing in it isn't healthy. I occasionally get in the mood to visit my old haunts. Forums I used to lurk on and I see people going down that rabbit hole, a rabbit hole I went down myself. They get obsessed with it being a ghost or demon causing all this chaos in their lives, when the truth is it's themselves. Sure there is a tiny probably of something woo going on, very tiny, so tiny the LHC hasn't detected it yet. But I'd say that 99.9% of the time it is the believer that "makes it happen". Edited May 13, 2017 by XenoFish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #44 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: I occasionally get in the mood to visit my old haunts. Forums I used to lurk on and I see people going down that rabbit hole, a rabbit hole I went down myself. They get obsessed with it being a ghost or demon causing all this chaos in there lives, when the truth is its themselves. Sure there is a tiny probably of something woo going on, very time, so time the LHC hasn't detected it yet. But I'd say that 99.9% of the time it is the believer that "makes it happen". I still stand by my conclusion that all the woo is caused by us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 13, 2017 #45 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 minute ago, ChaosRose said: I still stand by my conclusion that all the woo is caused by us. I'm not disagreeing, I am fully agreeing. But I guess I'm agreeing from a different perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #46 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: I'm not disagreeing, I am fully agreeing. But I guess I'm agreeing from a different perspective. I think we actually agree on this one. Whether the phenomena is "real" from an observer standpoint is really irrelevant. It's experienced. And people can quit experiencing it, but they gotta wanna. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted May 13, 2017 #47 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Just now, ChaosRose said: I think we actually agree on this one. Whether the phenomena is "real" from an observer standpoint is really irrelevant. It's experienced. And people can quit experiencing it, but they gotta wanna. It's the damn objective vs subjective thing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted May 13, 2017 #48 Share Posted May 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, ChaosRose said: The typical skeptic will usually stick to the line that there is no actual phenomena experienced. I have no doubt there is an experience...absolutely. but the experience which goes on in ones head, be it as an individual or as part of a group or cult, is no proof that we are in death what we were in life. It is no proof of an after life. Yes i am a skeptic, but do believe in people having experiences with demons....in their heads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #49 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: It's the damn objective vs subjective thing again. Well, it can get to the point when others around you also have experiences. But then you're back to whether they are actual or if it's folie aux deux. Either? Both? Doesn't really matter. They are experienced. And again...you can just quit doing that to yourself and other people around you. But there's that gotta wanna element. If you're all caught up in the novelty of the whole thing, you're just stuck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 13, 2017 #50 Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 minute ago, freetoroam said: I have no doubt there is an experience...absolutely. but the experience which goes on in ones head, be it as an individual or as part of a group or cult, is no proof that we are in death what we were in life. It is no proof of an after life. Yes i am a skeptic, but do believe in people having experiences with demons....in their heads. Oh no...absolutely no proof of anything. I don't think there were voices of dead people on my ghost box. Not at all. There were definitely ghosts of my psyche on there. And I really heard some interesting things. We also had some pretty crazy experiences. But ultimately, it wasn't healthy. I started wondering what the point was, and it turned out I was trying to punish myself for things that were really out of my control. So I just set it aside. Found a way to oust it all from my life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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