Dutch riot police break up pro-Erdogan

[bee]

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wow... this is serious -

impossible to say what the repercussions will be at this stage..

from video description --

 

STORY: Dutch police early on Sunday (March 12) used dogs and a water cannon to disperse hundreds of demonstrators who had gathered outside the Turkish Consulate to protest The Netherlands' decision to barr Turkish ministers from campaigning amongst Turkish emigres on the upcoming referendum to held in April

Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons. They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armoured vans as some demonstrators threw bottles and stones.

The row over Ankara's political campaigning among Turkish emigres led President Tayyip Erdogan to brand its fellow NATO member a "Nazi remnant".

The dispute escalated into a major diplomatic incident in the evening, as Turkey's Family Minister Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya,was prevented by police from entering the Turkish consulate in Rotterdam.

Hundreds of protesters waving Turkish flags gathered outside, demanding to see the minister. At one point a few thousand arrived to stage the protest.

Dutch police used dogs and water cannon early on Sunday to disperse the crowd, which threw bottles and stones. Several demonstrators were beaten by police with batons, a Reuters witness said. They carried out charges on horseback, while officers advanced on foot with shields and armoured vans.

Less than a day after Dutch authorities prevented Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu from flying to Rotterdam, Turkey's family minister, Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya, said on Twitter she was being escorted back to Germany
 

 

 

[bee]

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bit of background to what's going on --

it's about  rallying support of Turkish people in Europe for constitutional changes in Turkey that would
give Erdogan more power - there is a referendum on April 16th -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_constitutional_referendum,_2017

quote bolded

"The amendments were received with heavy criticism from opposition parties and non-governmental organisations, with criticism focusing particularly on the erosion of the separation of powers and the abolition of parliamentary accountability. Constitutional legal experts such as Kemal Gözler and İbrahim Kaboğlu claimed that the changes would result in the Parliament becoming effectively powerless, while the executive president would have controls over the executive, legislative and judiciary."

 

 

 

[Aardvark-DK]

And the referendum means almost absolute power to his position. And Erdogan pulls the Nazi card towards the Dutch....

Well Mr.Erdogan, what you are doing, reminds me of history, to be specific, 1933-34 somewhere..in Western Europe...

[glorybebe]

Why do they not go back to Turkey of they are so up in arms about not being able to hear speeches about politics in Turkey?  That makes no sense to me.  

[hetrodoxly]

1 hour ago, glorybebe said:

Why do they not go back to Turkey of they are so up in arms about not being able to hear speeches about politics in Turkey?  That makes no sense to me.  

Wherever they go in the world, 'who are they' well the connection is Islam so that's Muslims no mater what country they're from the same type of behaviour can be seen, in the UK Pakistani MPs in Pakistan tell Pakistanis (even those born here) how to vote in UK elections.

[Mr.United_Nations]

 Is europe finally starting to realise that Turkey isn't as friendly as first thought?

[Black Monk]

Don't worry. Turkey will soon be in the EU and be its largest, most dominant, member state. 

[Black Monk]

21 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

Wherever they go in the world, 'who are they' well the connection is Islam so that's Muslims no mater what country they're from the same type of behaviour can be seen, in the UK Pakistani MPs in Pakistan tell Pakistanis (even those born here) how to vote in UK elections.

 Muslims were telling people to vote for Labour in a recent by-election or else they will go to Hell.

[Black Monk]

There was a young fellow from Ankara

Who was a terrific w*nkerer

Till he sowed his wild oats

With the help of a goat

But he didn’t even stop to thankera.

 

 

- Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, winner of The Spectator's President Erdogan Offensive Poetry competition

Edited March 13, 2017 by Black Monk

[bee]

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when I saw the picture in this article of the Turkish protesters in the Netherlands
I wondered what the hand gesture was all about -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-the-netherlands-diplomatic-crisis-recep-tayyip-erdogan-protest-mark-rutte-a7626111.html

apparently it is the 'four finger salute' showing solidarity with the Muslim Brotherhood
in Egypt - although maybe now it is also a more general show of support for Islam..?
(Islamic domination..? )

http://www.rferl.org/a/egypt-four-finger-salute/25085068.html

If the people enthusiastically making this gesture are so devoted to Islam and supportive
of other groups like the Muslim Brotherhood... what are they doing in the Netherlands and 
other countries in Europe..?

That's a rhetorical question because I think we all know what direction all this 
is leading to - 

The fact they they are so emboldened as to wave all those Turkish flags around -
(the organizers must have brought hundreds of them to pass around)

and to make the Islamic 'four finger' solidarity gesture --- I've also seen the Islamic State one
finger gesture in the protest as well and heard the usual shouting of Allahu Akbar -

Now Erdogan is making general undefined threats towards the Netherlands and calling
them Fascists..!!...saying he will wait to see what the result of the Dutch Elections are before
deciding what to do..

I don't know what he thinks he can do anyway...?

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Edited March 13, 2017 by bee

[bee]

2 hours ago, Black Monk said:

Don't worry. Turkey will soon be in the EU and be its largest, most dominant, member state. 

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let's hope not --- it used to drive me nuts when Cameron was fawning over Turkey
and being all supportive of them joining the EU -

even if we're out it will be dangerous for us all if Turkey becomes a member -

that's if the whole EU Project doesn't collapse soon anyway --
the latest goings on in the Netherlands must have boosted Geert Wilders chances in the election -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

and Marine le Pen has a chance of winning in France -- 

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[bee]

21 minutes ago, bee said:

 

I don't know what he thinks he can do anyway...?

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to answer my own question...  

send / accommodate the travel of.. millions more muslim refugees / migrants going over
to Europe's shores.. maybe..? 

for starters

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[meryt-tetisheri]

On 3/13/2017 at 9:04 PM, bee said:

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when I saw the picture in this article of the Turkish protesters in the Netherlands
I wondered what the hand gesture was all about -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-the-netherlands-diplomatic-crisis-recep-tayyip-erdogan-protest-mark-rutte-a7626111.html

apparently it is the 'four finger salute' showing solidarity with the Muslim Brotherhood
in Egypt - although maybe now it is also a more general show of support for Islam..?
(Islamic domination..? )

http://www.rferl.org/a/egypt-four-finger-salute/25085068.html

If the people enthusiastically making this gesture are so devoted to Islam and supportive
of other groups like the Muslim Brotherhood... what are they doing in the Netherlands and 
other countries in Europe..?

That's a rhetorical question because I think we all know what direction all this 
is leading to - 

The fact they they are so emboldened as to wave all those Turkish flags around -
(the organizers must have brought hundreds of them to pass around)

and to make the Islamic 'four finger' solidarity gesture --- I've also seen the Islamic State one
finger gesture in the protest as well and heard the usual shouting of Allahu Akbar -

Now Erdogan is making general undefined threats towards the Netherlands and calling
them Fascists..!!...saying he will wait to see what the result of the Dutch Elections are before
deciding what to do..

I don't know what he thinks he can do anyway...?

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The four finger sign belongs wholly to the Muslim Brotherhood. Erdogan is a member of the MB, and apparently so are his supporters. At the end, Erdogan carried out a successful campaign for Geert Wilders! 

[odas]

On Monday, March 13, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Black Monk said:

Don't worry. Turkey will soon be in the EU and be its largest, most dominant, member state. 

Well, if they had let Turkey in when they should have, we would not have to deal with the nutjob. I hear now that he is blaming the Dutch for the Srebrenica masacre. Question for you, Erdoshittface: WHERE were YOU when we needed help in Bosnia? You sat quiet. You did not do anything. You did what cowards do. At least the Dutch tried and failed to help. And they ARE sorry. So shut up. Disclaimer fineprint: Was not to offend the Turks as a whole but - you guys did suck in that regard.

[+and-then]

On 3/14/2017 at 4:11 PM, meryt-tetisheri said:

The four finger sign belongs wholly to the Muslim Brotherhood. Erdogan is a member of the MB, and apparently so are his supporters. At the end, Erdogan carried out a successful campaign for Geert Wilders! 

First exit polls have Rutte's government winning with Wilders coming in a distant second.  Let's see if the Dutch are better at polling than we were  

[toast]

On 13.3.2017 at 6:54 PM, Black Monk said:

Turkey will soon be in the EU and be its largest, most dominant, member state. 

Turkey in the EU soon? Maybe some day but long after the Great Pyramid has been vanished by erosion.

[ExpandMyMind]

Scary that there would be a pro Erdogan rally anywhere in Europe.

I hate to almost agree with the man, but the Dutch are heading down a very dark path and have been for some time. Anyone who has been following the outright anti, well, brown person sentiment there can see this. Comparing them to Nazis though is a step too far but that right wing nationalist party are disgusting all the same.

[odas]

Well erog did not succseed to create what he wanted in the Netherlands.

Those Dutch are way to smart for him.

[hetrodoxly]

9 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Scary that there would be a pro Erdogan rally anywhere in Europe.

I hate to almost agree with the man, but the Dutch are heading down a very dark path and have been for some time. Anyone who has been following the outright anti, well, brown person sentiment there can see this. Comparing them to Nazis though is a step too far but that right wing nationalist party are disgusting all the same.

Left-wing fascist are just as disgusting if not more so.

[ExpandMyMind]

2 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

Left-wing fascist are just as disgusting if not more so.

**** sake mate, it's not a bloody competition. You sound as though you've taken personal insult to my comment or something. And it was also an extremely childish reply.

[hetrodoxly]

12 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

**** sake mate, it's not a bloody competition. You sound as though you've taken personal insult to my comment or something. And it was also an extremely childish reply.

It was a statement of fact why are you so upset? gangs of left-wing thugs dressed in black clothes wearing mask's beating up anyone who they don't agree with should concern you.

[ExpandMyMind]

1 minute ago, hetrodoxly said:

It was a statement of fact why are you so upset? gangs of left-wing thugs dressed in black clothes wearing mask's beating up anyone who they don't agree with should concern you.

It wasn't a statement of fact at all. It was your opinion and one that is practically impossible to be proven for left or right, since there is no clear, universal definition for which acts are worse than others.

I wasn't upset. I was actually embarassed that you felt the need to even comment that the left are worse. That's basically a defence mechanism that shows you took it personally and felt the need to come to the defence of a truly disgusting political party. It's basically like you doing the same thing for the BNP. 

[hetrodoxly]

11 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

It wasn't a statement of fact at all. It was your opinion and one that is practically impossible to be proven for left or right, since there is no clear, universal definition for which acts are worse than others.

I wasn't upset. I was actually embarassed that you felt the need to even comment that the left are worse. That's basically a defence mechanism that shows you took it personally and felt the need to come to the defence of a truly disgusting political party. It's basically like you doing the same thing for the BNP. 

I'll throw that right back at you why do you feel the need to defend the fascist left, do you agree with their violence.

Edited March 17, 2017 by hetrodoxly

[ExpandMyMind]

Nowhere have I ever defended the fascist left. You're the one who brought up lefty nutjobs being as bad as righty nutjobs as a defence mechanism, so 'throwing it back' doesn't really work, since I didn't do what you did. All I did was answer a direct question and correct a falsehood.

Edited March 17, 2017 by ExpandMyMind

[Phaeton80]

On 16-3-2017 at 1:13 AM, ExpandMyMind said:

Scary that there would be a pro Erdogan rally anywhere in Europe.

I hate to almost agree with the man, but the Dutch are heading down a very dark path and have been for some time. Anyone who has been following the outright anti, well, brown person sentiment there can see this. Comparing them to Nazis though is a step too far but that right wing nationalist party are disgusting all the same.

 

There isnt any 'anti brown person sentiment' (hope youre not referring to the black pete thingy). There is an anti Islamic sentiment, anti migration/refugee sentiment, but compared to the rest of Europe, or the West in general, its relatively minimal. Events like these wont help though.

What I think the real issue here is, the fact populistic racial and religious rhetoric - across the board - are gaining a strong foothold. Facilitated by events managed by certain int. entities.. The essential source of these developments is in fact the manipulation of the populous, which can only take hold if said population is dependant on controlled media outlets fuelling the conflict, spewing misrepresenting and or inciting 'information'. This is the case with Wilders supporters (on a minor scale), but also the case with, say, the Erdogan & Trump variant (large scale). The US and Turkey are prime examples of this on both sides. In that sense, Trump and Erdogan are kindred spirits, there are numerous parallels between their resp. behaviour. Lets just hope the Dutch will keep giving the right example by not letting these right wing populists gain more power in the West. Trump is bad enough, this man, with the mental maturity of a 17 year old, will cause enough damage alone.

Weve been witnessing a strong move towards extremization of the Western nations for some time now. It seems we are becoming that which we love to lament the most. This must never happen, because at the end of the day, what is done against 'the others', will come back and bite us in the proverbal tooshy. As long as we dont identify the manipulation that is permeating through these (global) events fuelling these sentiments (like indeed the refugee / migrant crisis, like indeed boogeyman groups like Al Qaeda / ISIS, which will keep coming, we will lose our rights, freedom, identity.

It seems to all bare down to the 'Clash of Civilizations' reality that is being pushed unto the Western mind, backed by massive resources. The acts of Erdogan doesnt say anything about Islam, just like the acts of Trump doesnt say anything about Christianity / Judaism. We should really stop connecting the acts of certain nations or their heads of state with the religion they overtly support. I think this is another indication of the simplicity / shallowness that plagues the mind of the usual Western citizen these days. Any form of nuance is withering away like snow in a blazing midsummer sun. We are hollowing out everything we (used to) stand for, are becoming caricatures of ourselves, just like the Turkish Erdogan fanboys, just like the American Trump counterparts.

Wake up and smell the kahve why not.

Edited March 17, 2017 by Phaeton80