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7 hours ago, back to earth said:

 

Here; the 'Great Dividing Range' - the east coast .mountain/  range is close to the coast, the east wind blow in, clouds go up and dump rain and it runs off.  Aso there is a major fault and uplift that made the huge Dorrigo plateau, with steep plunging edges - hence many waterfalls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfall_Way

In the wet season it gets rad! 

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Is it me, or are those angry falls spilling on over the highway? :o 

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7 hours ago, I hide behind words said:

Chicken and egg.

Do wars cause religion?

Go as far back as you can.

When we were monkeys. We had wars but no religions.

Which truly came first?

:hmm: Now, there's a fascinating thought. (IMO)  :D 

7 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

Leaders in wars certainly try to use religion, with success much of the time, but the religions pre-exist them, so cannot be said to be caused by them.

I think religion is a natural consequence of the widespread tendency in many people to invent explanations when the answers are either unwelcome or inconceivable.  People just hate saying, "I don't know."  It happens over several generations, though, so people don't really notice.

I would think it would be safely said, that most wars are started with a self-agenda goal. *shrugs*

7 hours ago, back to earth said:

There were eggs long before the chicken evolved and   'religion'  way before what we call 'warfare' . 

There ya go! :tu:  ;) 

7 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

Maybe so, maybe not.  That is all so far back in history that I think it foolish to make such dogmatic statements.  It is plain enough the religions cause enough wars now.

Well, it seems lately, for most areas today, wars seem to be over oil. But, I could be wrong. *shrugs* :o  

6 hours ago, I hide behind words said:

Oh dear! :cry: 

4 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

I think there is little doubt religion is declining worldwide.  Even is Muslim worlds, when the conversation is private, you get remarks that clearly indicate the "Muslim" doesn't believe, though he doesn't dare say so out loud.  That too will pass (as it has in the Gulf States).

Here in Cambodia the number of monks has declined and there are calls to the public asking people to consider it.  Most here take the religion seriously enough -- for others. Of  course in Vietnam religion is officially a superstition, and Buddhist numbers are not available, but attendance at Roman Catholic and Caodai services has declined to about half what it was before th war.  (Caodai is, in my opinion, a dying religion -- when I go to a service the attendance seems to be people in their sixties or older, no one I would call young, but Vietnam is really a young nation). 

Atheism too, is dying in Vietnam and dead in the rest of Asia (except of course China about which I know nothing).  You don't get people telling you they are Atheist -- they are almost always "non-religious" or Buddhist (one can be a Buddhist just by saying so -- one need do nothing.  Party members in Vietnam of course are supposed to be atheists, and I'm sure on the papers they sign that is what they say, but the reality is a lot of them go to Buddhist ceremonies and most of the others avoid, whenever possible, Atheism lectures.  

So, is it all Apathiests now? :o 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

Well fish laid eggs long before there were dinosaurs,

There you go !  Plenty of eggs around before there chickens, so eggs came first . 

 

14 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

 

and I have no idea what laid the first egg, and reproduction of some sort had to be around from the beginning.

Maybe eggs are a version or development from single celled animals ?   They sorta look like a cell .   ?  

14 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

 

 I wonder what the point of all this is -- I suppose I should go back and look.  I suppose it was which came first, religion or warfare. I would vote for warfare -- if we call one tribe trying to wipe out another, "war."  If we just call it human territoriality, then I dunno.

They had  what they called 'war' here and it was not one tribe trying to wipe out the other. It was more of a ritualistic sorting out of issues .... matters of infractions over laws and rights .    Two long lines would face each other and it was one on one. Eventually one side would concede.  I have never heard of them 'massacring' one another . 

14 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

I don't think religion by itself is a cause of many if any wars.  Cultural differences, such as language, ways of burying the dead, attitudes about marriage, political structure, and beliefs about the otherworld are all part of the formula -- they are different and therefore evil and therefor must be eliminated.

Thats a good point as older cultures saw these things as part of life and the way things were ... not necessarily as 'religion'  which in some ways, can be seen as a modern concept. 

14 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

This is till the attitude of a lot of "conservatives" although they won't say so.

Nowadays, piracy (getting someone else's resources) is a lot of it.

Piracy and  'organised religion' ......   hmmmmmm .   two ways of getting resources  .

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8 hours ago, Stubbly_Dooright said:

Is it me, or are those angry falls spilling on over the highway? :o 

On the road and down it .    

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13 hours ago, back to earth said:

On the road and down it .    

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:o EGADS!!!! :o 

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On 5/4/2017 at 6:37 PM, I hide behind words said:

Indeed...Our lives are not so much threatened as is our Perception. T.E.D. is a wonderful channel lots of good knowledge and open minds there.  

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Human thought is the cause of all wars, and Mammon is the driving force. Mammon is motivation. Motivation is ideas in our heads. The ideas create this world as we know it. The result appears on TV. We can change this if we want to.

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4 hours ago, Skirnum said:

Human thought is the cause of all wars, and Mammon is the driving force. Mammon is motivation. Motivation is ideas in our heads. The ideas create this world as we know it. The result appears on TV. We can change this if we want to.

Mammon is not the driving force behind wars, the driving force is unhealthy narcissists.

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On 3/19/2017 at 9:51 AM, StarMountainKid said:

A religion that begets division, hatred, and conflict is not religion.

Well...that's like...all of them. 

I wish people would be spiritual and just let that whole religion thing go. Dogma isn't good for people. 

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7 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said:

Mammon is not the driving force behind wars, the driving force is unhealthy narcissists.

People are greedy on their own. They don't need any help.

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