Tatetopa Posted April 10, 2017 #151 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, and then said: I'll see your example of mindless hate and raise you friggin' STREET PROTESTS, random violence and an absolute refusal to accept the authority of a duly elected president. Making such comparisons makes you seem silly. If you actually understand history you would see these "Leftist" protesters are acting exactly like the S.A. in the 30's. I challenge you to show ANY such actors that worked in such a way against Obama. Well your original post was about sustained venom, I gave you that. Street protests did not happen that is true even in small letters. I don't like violence as a way to express beliefs; political or otherwise. I would say that the House and Senate used their power to counter the authority of a duly elected president as much as they could. I am not even saying they were wrong or overstepped their authority. Street protests while disgusting will not affect President Trumps exercise of power at all. I really don't care if a bunch of fools don't accept the duly elected president. They won't get arrested for that. They might be busted for destruction of property and disturbing the peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted April 10, 2017 #152 Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said: The McVeigh mass murder was in the '90s, and it was *very* anomalous, and it was condemned by both leftists and rightists. Dylan Roof and James Jackson are insane racists whose, again, *very* anomalous crimes were done for racial reasons rather than political reasons, and almost no one sided with them, even the Klan. The same holds true for the Canadian freak. I could rmention the political beliefs of Democratic killers, like John Wayne Gacy, but they have nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'll buy that. So why do you think the Berkeley protesters were not anomalous crazies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted April 10, 2017 #153 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Just now, Tatetopa said: I'll buy that. So why do you think the Berkeley protesters were not anomalous crazies? That's a good question. There's a constant and repetitive phenomenon with leftists in recent times (since the presidential campaign), especially the Black Bloc. There are repeated instances of Antifa disrupting gatherings of individuals with whom they disagree, and you don't find much of that on the Right. Check out You Tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 10, 2017 #154 Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said: What would you call the Berkeley riots? What would you call the attacks on Trump fans? They were both leftist and violent. They also were quite real. In my youth the left use to blow things up, rob banks and kill people. So far, all they've done is rumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 10, 2017 #155 Share Posted April 10, 2017 You know PP, self defense is still a viable option in this country. However I don't recommend anyone tell any stories about the Left or Right when they're talking to the police, the media, the DA, the lawyer the judge or the jury like we do here amongst ourselves. That will not add a stitch to one's credibility. Don't go try telling any serious professional in the real world in the face of your situation about how the Right has a deficit in society that you were making up for. Maybe once things get really really real the error of such opinions will become more apparent. "Oh I didn't mean it that much." Well I was already sure of that. So how much does it mean? What's the point? Are we pining for the State to keep us safe from specific groups particularly in order to satiate our political opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted April 10, 2017 #156 Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said: That's a good question. There's a constant and repetitive phenomenon with leftists in recent times (since the presidential campaign), especially the Black Bloc. There are repeated instances of Antifa disrupting gatherings of individuals with whom they disagree, and you don't find much of that on the Right. Check out You Tube. Indeed, there is direct video evidence of Leftist violence all over the Tube. For months now, the only 'evidence' of violence from the Right has been stories told by witnesses that prove to be liars in most cases. It has been posited that the Left values their party over the Nation itself, that they will always refuse to acknowledge any authority that isn't of their own Political stripe, no matter what office is involved. IIRC, the Dems have not acknowledged a President as being their president since the 1980s. Ironic, isn't it? A state of "soft" Civil War may already exist, but that in itself is self-destructive for the Big Govt types. All they are doing is educating the rest of the people on how to ruin the authority of the US Govt by means of non-compliance. As was the case with Harry Reid's 'Nuclear Option', this is sure to bite them in the butt someday soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 10, 2017 #157 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I just wonder how many marches and protests there've been about Pres. Trump's sudden conversion to the philosophy of "if you're in a sticky situation, launch missiles at someone in the Middle East"? have there been any? or, as I suspect, as that was one of Dear Hillary's flagship proposals, they'd be all for a bit of righteous fury at the current Great Ogre du jour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 10, 2017 #158 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: I just wonder how many marches and protests there've been about Pres. Trump's sudden conversion to the philosophy of "if you're in a sticky situation, launch missiles at someone in the Middle East"? have there been any? or, as I suspect, as that was one of Dear Hillary's flagship proposals, they'd be all for a bit of righteous fury at the current Great Ogre du jour. Worked for CIinton in Kosovo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted April 10, 2017 #159 Share Posted April 10, 2017 21 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: In my youth the left use to blow things up, rob banks and kill people. So far, all they've done is rumble. I see what you mean. We have yet to see bank robberies and explosions. We do see other crimes, though. You can witness quite a few of them when you watch clips of the Berkeley riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted April 10, 2017 #160 Share Posted April 10, 2017 19 hours ago, AnchorSteam said: Indeed, there is direct video evidence of Leftist violence all over the Tube. For months now, the only 'evidence' of violence from the Right has been stories told by witnesses that prove to be liars in most cases. It has been posited that the Left values their party over the Nation itself, that they will always refuse to acknowledge any authority that isn't of their own Political stripe, no matter what office is involved. IIRC, the Dems have not acknowledged a President as being their president since the 1980s. Ironic, isn't it? A state of "soft" Civil War may already exist, but that in itself is self-destructive for the Big Govt types. All they are doing is educating the rest of the people on how to ruin the authority of the US Govt by means of non-compliance. As was the case with Harry Reid's 'Nuclear Option', this is sure to bite them in the butt someday soon. It's ironic that White nationalists protested the Syrian strikes in Washington while Antifa confronted and insulted them. This speaks to your comment about placing political beliefs before the common good. Who knew that there would come a day when leftists would disrupt a peace protest? Of course, some radical feminists stick up for sharia law too, so all old assumptions are up for grabs now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted April 10, 2017 #161 Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: I just wonder how many marches and protests there've been about Pres. Trump's sudden conversion to the philosophy of "if you're in a sticky situation, launch missiles at someone in the Middle East"? have there been any? or, as I suspect, as that was one of Dear Hillary's flagship proposals, they'd be all for a bit of righteous fury at the current Great Ogre du jour. White nationalists protested in front of the White House while masked communists protested *them*. You can't make up this stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbarosso Posted April 10, 2017 #162 Share Posted April 10, 2017 when i am dictator of this country i will restore the constitution and forcibly remove or re-educate the liberal socialist enemies of freedom. i will be this country's marius Sulla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 11, 2017 #163 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, pbarosso said: when i am dictator of this country i will restore the constitution and forcibly remove or re-educate the liberal socialist enemies of freedom. i will be this country's marius Sulla Oh, don't do that. Looks bad in the papers and upsets civilians at their breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbarosso Posted April 11, 2017 #164 Share Posted April 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: Oh, don't do that. Looks bad in the papers and upsets civilians at their breakfast. i will outlaw breakfast. hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted April 11, 2017 #165 Share Posted April 11, 2017 On 4/9/2017 at 5:56 PM, Paranormal Panther said: That's a good question. There's a constant and repetitive phenomenon with leftists in recent times (since the presidential campaign), especially the Black Bloc. There are repeated instances of Antifa disrupting gatherings of individuals with whom they disagree, and you don't find much of that on the Right. Check out You Tube. So it is. I find it confusing I must say. There is certainly that expression of violence on the Left. During my stay in Texas, as a clean cut college educated white boy with a good haircut, I noticed the deference paid to me as compared to clean cut blacks and Hispanics with a similar degree. I was treated better even than professional women. These were nice people, at least to me, but I witnessed enough acts of disdain and put down to others that I saw a mean side to them. I had lunch with them, heard their jokes, went to barbecues saw the pretend nooses in their garages. It made me uneasy. The violence was not physical or organized, but it was widespread and probably hurtful to the people that were at its focus. They were Republicans, and conservatives, but not like my dad was. He always seemed to give everybody a fair shake, and he was honest as could be. I grew up in a Republican household, but my experiences kind of soured me. I am somewhere in the middle now, lean right still on law and order, borders, fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility, but lean left on social issues. I formed that impression thirty years ago when I was a fresh kid, but it has stuck with me. I still think hate, intolerance, and violence might hide just below the surface on the right, sometimes popping out in threatening ways like militias in Idaho, Montana, Nevada, and Oregon. Maybe things have changed. I am not sure what right and left mean anymore. I was going to argue with you about the definition of politics thinking it encompassed the philosophy of the nation as well as the act of governance, but it does not. No dictionary defines it that broadly. So my basis for citing racial and religious bias is not political. No defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 11, 2017 #166 Share Posted April 11, 2017 12 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: I just wonder how many marches and protests there've been about Pres. Trump's sudden conversion to the philosophy of "if you're in a sticky situation, launch missiles at someone in the Middle East"? have there been any? or, as I suspect, as that was one of Dear Hillary's flagship proposals, they'd be all for a bit of righteous fury at the current Great Ogre du jour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted April 11, 2017 #167 Share Posted April 11, 2017 17 hours ago, Tatetopa said: So it is. I find it confusing I must say. There is certainly that expression of violence on the Left. During my stay in Texas, as a clean cut college educated white boy with a good haircut, I noticed the deference paid to me as compared to clean cut blacks and Hispanics with a similar degree. I was treated better even than professional women. These were nice people, at least to me, but I witnessed enough acts of disdain and put down to others that I saw a mean side to them. I had lunch with them, heard their jokes, went to barbecues saw the pretend nooses in their garages. It made me uneasy. The violence was not physical or organized, but it was widespread and probably hurtful to the people that were at its focus. They were Republicans, and conservatives, but not like my dad was. He always seemed to give everybody a fair shake, and he was honest as could be. I grew up in a Republican household, but my experiences kind of soured me. I am somewhere in the middle now, lean right still on law and order, borders, fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility, but lean left on social issues. I formed that impression thirty years ago when I was a fresh kid, but it has stuck with me. I still think hate, intolerance, and violence might hide just below the surface on the right, sometimes popping out in threatening ways like militias in Idaho, Montana, Nevada, and Oregon. Maybe things have changed. I am not sure what right and left mean anymore. I was going to argue with you about the definition of politics thinking it encompassed the philosophy of the nation as well as the act of governance, but it does not. No dictionary defines it that broadly. So my basis for citing racial and religious bias is not political. No defense. Your life fits the liberal Hollywood narrative quite well. My experience, as a mixed race person, does not. I only had *one* real bad experience with two idiotic White people at a fast food joint, and I just ignored them. It's funny, but all of the "scary" White bikers and White "rednecks" were cool to me. I got in one street fight in my adult life. I was by my college campus, and two guys jumped me. They definitely weren't of Asian or European descent. They were Black thugs from Over The Rhine. Here's another memory that contradicts the narrative. I was at a cheap club one night. There was an older Black couple there, and they were celebrating the man's birthday. In the BS movie or TV version of life, they would have been attacked by a mob of racists. In *reality*, most of the patrons (some biker types too) sang "Happy Birthday", and the man got free drinks. I don't deny or dispute your experience, and I know that there are racists (all races). I'll just say that we had different experiences. Experiences shape our views. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted April 13, 2017 #168 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/11/2017 at 4:04 PM, Paranormal Panther said: I don't deny or dispute your experience, and I know that there are racists (all races). I'll just say that we had different experiences. Experiences shape our views. I agree. That is why I want to understand your view. I can't get carried away by the emotion and narrowness of the extreme left, and I don't like mob violence. I can acknowledge it. but don't feel personally connected to it or feel the need to deny it. The movie you describe about the club is one that could be made by narrow ideologues of the left. I don't want to be gulled by that sort of thing. I think the opposite number is one of a white couple terrorized by black thugs created by right ideologues. I don't want that one to be the one I see either. I think there are too many of both of those "Movies" playing in peoples' heads. I guess I blame Trump for scripting and distributing the latter. Thanks for the reply. The only part I find hard to swallow is a shy geeky engineer fitting into the Hollywood liberal narrative. I feel like I need to check myself for ticks or something. Be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted April 13, 2017 #169 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/10/2017 at 3:58 PM, Paranormal Panther said: It's ironic that White nationalists protested the Syrian strikes in Washington while Antifa confronted and insulted them. This speaks to your comment about placing political beliefs before the common good. Who knew that there would come a day when leftists would disrupt a peace protest? Of course, some radical feminists stick up for sharia law too, so all old assumptions are up for grabs now. France was in a similar situation at the start of World War 2. Didn't work out so well for them, did it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted April 13, 2017 #170 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/10/2017 at 6:05 PM, Hammerclaw said: Oh, don't do that. Looks bad in the papers and upsets civilians at their breakfast. Good reference to a good movie from way back when. I wonder if anyone here remembers that one.... hint; it starts with a Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 13, 2017 #171 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Just now, AnchorSteam said: Good reference to a good movie from way back when. I wonder if anyone here remembers that one.... hint; it starts with a Z. Yeah, they did a prequel, Zulu Dawn, about the battle of Isandlwana , years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted April 13, 2017 #172 Share Posted April 13, 2017 18 hours ago, Tatetopa said: I agree. That is why I want to understand your view. I can't get carried away by the emotion and narrowness of the extreme left, and I don't like mob violence. I can acknowledge it. but don't feel personally connected to it or feel the need to deny it. The movie you describe about the club is one that could be made by narrow ideologues of the left. I don't want to be gulled by that sort of thing. I think the opposite number is one of a white couple terrorized by black thugs created by right ideologues. I don't want that one to be the one I see either. I think there are too many of both of those "Movies" playing in peoples' heads. I guess I blame Trump for scripting and distributing the latter. Thanks for the reply. The only part I find hard to swallow is a shy geeky engineer fitting into the Hollywood liberal narrative. I feel like I need to check myself for ticks or something. Be awesome. You and I disagree on a few points, but that can be for another thread. We are in agreement that Antifa don't represent most liberals. It's clear that they're in the minority, and it's also clear that they alienate many leftists in our country. My guess is that most progressives are embarrassed by them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted April 13, 2017 #173 Share Posted April 13, 2017 3 hours ago, AnchorSteam said: France was in a similar situation at the start of World War 2. Didn't work out so well for them, did it? It was terrible for Germany too. They had constant violent clashes between leftist groups and rightist groups. Let's hope that the next Berkeley rally is more peaceful. It takes place on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted April 21, 2017 Author #174 Share Posted April 21, 2017 On 4/10/2017 at 2:46 PM, Manfred von Dreidecker said: I just wonder how many marches and protests there've been about Pres. Trump's sudden conversion to the philosophy of "if you're in a sticky situation, launch missiles at someone in the Middle East"? have there been any? or, as I suspect, as that was one of Dear Hillary's flagship proposals, they'd be all for a bit of righteous fury at the current Great Ogre du jour. Wish I could give this more than one like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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