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Opening gambits in EU / UK exit negotiations;


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57 minutes ago, bee said:

 

Just had a thought -- omg when we leave the EU will Ireland still give us points in the Eurovision Song Contest - :blink:

Sometimes they are the only country to boost our score - except when we were extra crap and got nul points -
even the Irish couldn't give us one point then - :D (yeah yeah I know it's all political...that's why it's an issue with
us leaving the EU and Ireland remaining )

aaaanyway ......

Let's have a little musical interlude dedicated to brothers and sisters, north and south, across the Irish Sea -- :wub:

 

 

I bet most countries in Eurovision aren't in the EU.

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3 hours ago, bee said:

Let's have a little musical interlude dedicated to brothers and sisters, north and south, across the Irish Sea -- :wub:

Undoubtedly the best ever interlude act in the history of the Eurovision Song Contest. A cultural tour de force that went on to take the world by storm:

And Ireland went on to win the contest with this memorable song:

 

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3 hours ago, Black Monk said:

I bet most countries in Eurovision aren't in the EU.

Of course you are nearly right, Black Monk, but does it really matter? Who cares?

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The UK for 2016/17 Number one in Europe for Foreign investment.

 

Moving on. Not looking good for the BMW group, The EU raided their offices. - if found guilty how much will they be fined? the German Car industry is having a rough time of it, first the Diesel scandal and now this, The Asian/Korean car makers must be rubbing their hands. The German Car industry was spooked three weeks ago when even we heard rumours the Far Eastern/Korean car manufactures were eyeing up the UK market in regard to Brexit and making tentative moves on the German (UK) market share. as rumours of no-deal grew, funny how Merkel spoke out only the other day on trade talks with the UK.

 

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BMW raided in cartel investigation.

MUNICH/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - BMW’s headquarters were raided by European Union officials investigating an alleged cartel among German carmakers, it said on Friday, as rival Daimler claimed whistleblower status in an effort to avoid fines.

The competition watchdog said that it was investigating collusion among German carmakers,Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen and its Audi and Porsche arms conspired to fix prices in diesel and other technologies over decades.

EU staff had “conducted an inspection” at BMW’s Munich offices this week, the premium carmaker said in a statement, adding that it is “assisting the European Commission in its work”. On Monday Oct. 16 he first confirmed raid related to allegations that several German automakers had engaged in an illegal cartel.


 

 

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Anyone else sick to death of the defeatist attitude shown by the British Media, BBC, Sky News & print media, Guardian, Independent. the outlets who'd rather support a foreign entity than their own country.

The figures for UK GDP were released and it showed the UK had grew by 0.4% for Q3. The predictions were for 0.3%. So the economy performed better than expected, yet the BBC and Sky News etc... spin it "despite Brexit" and always try and find a negative angle so they can show the Brexit doom and gloom, trouble is the facts, figures and reality keep defying their wishes for a catastrophe to befall this country.

UK GDP year-on-year as grew 1.5% in the third quarter. Its forecast to be 1.7% in Q4. The Economy is defying all the hell fire and brimstone predictions of the EU referendum and project fear. im still waiting for the instant recession if we voted Leave.

Instead of talking up the economy for it's doing well, the BBC and Sky News etc... always have a negative spin and always have the reporting line "the economy grew defying expectations BUT", and then turn into mystic Meg about future predictions of doom and gloom all to be blamed on Brexit. imagine to day if the economy instead of performing better than forecast at 1.4% but performed worse than expected at 0.2% or 01% they'd be in meltdown, BREAKING NEWS ticker tape on continuous loop foretelling our demise.

The UK economy is forecast to grow, 1.7% in Q4. 2017 next year 2018 in Q1,1.8% Q2,1.6% Q3,1.6%

Moving on but on topic......

the EU or European central bank is to half its quantitative easing programme from €60Billion to €30Billion a month, starting in January, - of that the ECB has bought €2.1TRILLION, and ECB confirms its extending Q.E into 2019. which translates to more bond buying.

Moving on, nice read entitled the future of Europe. by the EU and as usual it calls for ever closer union, you have remainers going on about trade, the EU has gone beyond a trade Union, the report contains for example on refugees; a compulsory system for allocating refugees to member states, even if that goes against the wishes of the member state. Then we have the creation of a EU military something we was told was never going to happen during the referendum, well the report calls for the Establishment of European Armed Forces, capable of deploying combat forces for high intensity conflicts.

The reaminers say Brexit is an unknown well if thats true, the same is true of the EU and its future..none of the remainers told us anything of whats came out in Jean Claude Junkcers state of the Union speech or any of these EU future ambition reports.

oh well, Brexit, Michael Bloomberg, founder and chief executive of Bloomberg stated that Brexit was the worst thing to happen. and yet, well the headline says it all....

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Bloomberg to open £1bn City of London headquarters

Bloomberg unveiled its new European headquarters today at an event hosted by its founder Michael R. Bloomberg. Located in the heart of the City of London, it is the first wholly owned and designed Bloomberg building in the world. Designed to facilitate collaboration and fuel innovation, it will bring Bloomberg’s 4,000 London-based employees under one roof for the first time. Micheal Bloomberg said "We have a great future here in London, and this is a big investment in the city.”

 

 

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London Retains Its Crown as World’s Top Financial Centre 2017

Facts TheCityUK. There are more head offices of banks in London than in any other place in the world. These banks employ around 150,000 people. There are also over 250 foreign banks with an office in London. This is higher than nearest rivals New York (2nd), Paris(32nd) and Frankfurt (18th). Around half of European investment banking activity is conducted in the capital

The London Market is a distinct, separate part of the UK insurance and reinsurance industry based in central London. It consists mostly of general insurance and reinsurance and predominantly involves high exposure risks. The London Market is the world’s leading market for internationally traded insurance and reinsurance. It is the only place where all of the world’s twenty largest international insurance and reinsurance companies are active.

London is the second largest global fund management centre. It manages more than 80% of hedge fund assets under management in Europe, 90% of European prime brokerage, and is the leading centre for management of European private equity funds.

London also hosts a wide array of supporting services and specialist providers catering for the financial and related professional services industry. Around one third of those employed in financial and related professional services in the UK are located in London.

 

If it could be replicated within Europe it would've already been done. Its about time the UK talked itself up. what we do, we do well, 5th largest economy in the world and opposition parties and quislings talk like we are a Banana Republic.

The UK government wants to forget about transition deal or any trade deal with the EU and put the majority of its efforts into preparing for WTO with new trade deals limited or free trade with 3rd Party countries.

Below copied from elsewhere incase im accused of plagiarism.

According to pro EU and media propagandists Despite Brexit.
On the other hand There are many reasons we should exit the EU quickly, no transition, far more important than wholly self serving big business who want us to stay in and which pays the EU to create rules beneficial to them.
- Britain pays £15 billion annually in gross EU budget contributions.
-Britain loses from the single market given our weakness in goods exports and Germany's strength, which is where around half our EU deficit comes from, then added to that EU national protectionism in services. Our annual deficit with the EU is now £90 billion a year but we have a surplus with the rest of the world .
-Britain loses from open borders, we are a dumping ground for millions of economic refugees from the failures of EU superstate building which has ignored economic reality. 80% of all new national insurance numbers handed out to overseas. nationals are to immigrants from the EU and of course add to this unsustainable pressure on housing, jobs, state services and finances.
-Britain loses £60 billion every 5 year Parliament from the opportunity cost of EU agricultural protectionism.
-Britain loses by not being able to set its own free trade based trade treaties.
-Britain loses its foreign policy independence, replaced by EU superstate building diplomatic service , witness the aggressive expansionism of the EU towards the Urals which has made Putin react in Ukraine.
-Britain has lost most of its fishing grounds, costing £3 billion a year.
-Britain loses its ability to tax multinationals or set its own business, state benefits and consumer laws through the spread of mutual recognition and harmonisation which cost it hundreds of billions every 5 year parliament.
-Britain has lost its judicial independence to the ECJ.
-Britain even has to let the EU see the Chancellor's annual budget and our economic policy must pay heed to the economic well being of the EU.
-Britain loses its political sovereignty with Viviane Reding confirming 75% of UK laws are set by the EU on the way to becoming a United States of Europe
It is clearly a major net disadvantage that Britain stays in the EU. Exiting would regain political and judicial sovereignty, cut costs, increase trade, cut consumer prices, raise multinational taxes, cut state spending.
Britain is better off out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Anyone else sick to death of the defeatist attitude shown by the British Media, BBC, Sky News & print media, Guardian, Independent. the outlets who'd rather support a foreign entity than their own country.

 

Yeah me --- I'm sick of being subjected to blatant propaganda.... sick of it coming into my living room and trying to seep into my mind -

I have had to cut down severely on watching the news because it's so annoying - logic says that the selection of media outlets you
mention above are in cahoots and pushing an agenda - they are colluding for political purposes -

The conclusion I have come to and the only way to make sense of it (IMO) is that most of the media outlets have been taken over
by those supporting a political / economic Globalist agenda - which involves moving towards the eventual removal of borders and
sovereign states (in the West for starters although I think the destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria was also about that)
By it's very nature it would end up as a kind of dictatorship - the promoters probably see it as a benign quasi dictatorship in the
pursuit of World Peace - but human nature being what it is and they way power corrupts it could easily turn into the kind of 
Orwellian scenario predicted long ago -- it could go pear shaped so easily when power is concentrated into the hands of fewer
and fewer individuals outside a democratic process --

Media has always been used for propaganda but it seems to be out of balance now and the globalist supporting outlets are
very dominant - Brexit and the Trump presidency has become a threat to political globalism and that's why the globalists are
pulling out all the stops  on the propaganda front - pounding away day after day without letting up for a minute - exploiting
every chance for creating doubt, fear and negative spin -

So yeah -- those news outlets are against the UK being an independent sovereign state and are doing whatever they can to stop it happening -

The editors and journalists are obviously under instruction from the owners and have to do what is required of them
or they will lose their job - 

<_<

 

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Wait.... hold on a minute......

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EU anti-trust regulators have raided the offices of automaker BMW in Munich, the company said, in a fresh blow to the German car industry already hit by the Dieselgate scandal.

The European Commission, which refused to confirm the company targeted, said it 'can confirm that as of October 16, 2017 its officials carried out an unannounced inspection at the premises of a car manufacturer in Germany.' [/quote]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5001454/EU-officials-raid-BMW-offices-Munich.html

Since when did "EU Officials" have the legal power to arbitrarily enter a companies premises ? So, are there "EU officials" who have Super-national police powers now ? When did THAT happen ? If there was a case of fraud going on, why weren't the German police involved ?

What's going on ? Who's in charge in Germany ?

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5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Wait.... hold on a minute......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5001454/EU-officials-raid-BMW-offices-Munich.html

Since when did "EU Officials" have the legal power to arbitrarily enter a companies premises ? So, are there "EU officials" who have Super-national police powers now ? When did THAT happen ? If there was a case of fraud going on, why weren't the German police involved ?

What's going on ? Who's in charge in Germany ?

It applies to all members of the EU who signed the Lisbon treaty. The EU commission granted itself the powers to investigate and raid business and non-business premises. (In the same Treaty the EU granted itself diplomatic immunity from such action. IE: the EU buildings are exempt from search, requisition, confiscation or expropriation. The archives of the Union shall be inviolable. they seen fit to also exempt themselves from all direct taxes and any customs duties.

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27 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

It applies to all members of the EU who signed the Lisbon treaty. The EU commission granted itself the powers to investigate and raid business and non-business premises. (In the same Treaty the EU granted itself diplomatic immunity from such action. IE: the EU buildings are exempt from search, requisition, confiscation or expropriation. The archives of the Union shall be inviolable. they seen fit to also exempt themselves from all direct taxes and any customs duties.

Wow.. I didn't know EITHER of those two things. So the EU has - in some circumstances - a form of "police powers", that transcend national sovereignty ? 

The sooner we're out the better !

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20 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Wow.. I didn't know EITHER of those two things. So the EU has - in some circumstances - a form of "police powers", that transcend national sovereignty ? 

The sooner we're out the better !

Yes, the Lisbon Treaty grants powers to the EU Commission and ECJ powers transcends ALL members national Sovereignty. The ECJ supersedes ALL Nation state courts. - and some people think that's okay.

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35 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Yes, the Lisbon Treaty grants powers to the EU Commission and ECJ powers transcends ALL members national Sovereignty. The ECJ supersedes ALL Nation state courts. - and some people think that's okay.

Well... the ECJ is ONE thing, but.... to have foreign "police" with carte blanche to enter buildings without a national search warrant ? That's..... well.... different. 

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Well, Project Fear is alive and well.

The BBC has posted an article on a Bank of England report. The report states that 75,000 people in London-based financial services could lose their jobs post-Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604

Well, fair enough. But there is just ONE teeny-weeny thing missing from the report. And that is - any mention of the BoE's PREVIOUS Brexit prediction, which turned out to be so horrendously inaccurate that the bank had to publicly grovel and apologise.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/bank-england-admits-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/

The BBC article is quite long, and goes into all sorts of  peripheral details. Except THAT one ! :P

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1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Well, Project Fear is alive and well.

The BBC has posted an article on a Bank of England report. The report states that 75,000 people in London-based financial services could lose their jobs post-Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604

Well, fair enough. But there is just ONE teeny-weeny thing missing from the report. And that is - any mention of the BoE's PREVIOUS Brexit prediction, which turned out to be so horrendously inaccurate that the bank had to publicly grovel and apologise.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/bank-england-admits-michael-fish-moment-dire-brexit-predictions/

The BBC article is quite long, and goes into all sorts of  peripheral details. Except THAT one ! :P

It's funny, a few posts above i posted about the financial centre London retaining its spot as No1 in the world and by some way. Since the Brexit decision there as been a 17% increase in the Industry in London. The fact Deutsche Bank as committed to the city by extending its 25 year lease, followed by the French and Dutch banks tells you something.

If we are to believe the UK is going to lose Jobs 75,000 surely the door swings both ways, how many from Europe will be moving staff/officers to the UK to make sure they retain the services and expertise of the worlds No1 Financial centre. Financial services is a global business, a competitive business you have to be in the place where it all happens, at the sharp end and in the right time zone. London for the European Market, New York for the American/Americas Market and Tokyo and Singapore for the Far east/Asian market, If your not on the right timeline/zone at the opening of business your not at the sharp end, you've blinked and your competitors have stole a march. Yes its going to work well for those who leave London, instead of being in direct communication across the floor or accessing legal expertise from across the corridor or the next floor, they'll be sat on a phone waiting for someone to pick up the phone. all adding time and expense while their muttering over the phone BANG the deal as been lost to a competitor.

No doubt in the future the EU will take steps to take business away from London, but fear not the EU will do what they always do in their Socialist EUSSR style they'll introduce regulation which will make them uncompetitive as they disappear behind yet another protectionist wall continuing their declining global market share, Financial services move much faster  then the bloated bureaucracy of the bloated EU.  

As for the BBC -  The BBC will report Anti-Brexit material with glee. This by the way is the same BBC which in a recent report was cited to be biased against Brexit in fact the word used was "overwhelming negativity about Leaving the EU" - During the six three-hour morning shows from Monday 29 March to Saturday 4 April, BBC's R4Today Programme fielded 124 guests on Article 50 but only eight, 6.5 per cent, were "given the space to make substantive arguments that the future for the UK outside the EU would yield significant benefits".

Im still waiting for Bank of England, HM Treasury the BBC and the rest of them to explain why we never went into Recession as promised 350,000 Jobs where to be lost, House prices would crash, and each household was to be £4,000 per year worse off. This was all promised IF WE VOTED LEAVE. When it never materialised they moved the goal posts, apparently all this hell fire and brimstone wont happen until we actually Leave or some later or future date.

When you think the progressive Left as they like to call themselves where always against globalists, the political Elite, the establishment, yet when it came to the crunch it was the Brexiteers who took on the challenge proving the progressive left are just the pretenders, The Brexiteers took on the globalists, the political elite and establishment, We took on the multinational, the corporate banks, the Government Departments, Treasury etc.Bank of Egland.. and to crown it all off we even had one Barack Obama lecturing us on the back of the queue speech. We can be proud we took everything they could throw at us and despite all that we won, something they cannot accept.

 

 

 

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I note from today's updating of the House by Brexit Sec David Davis - the UK Government is to recruit an extra 3,000 to 5,000 HMRC staff. It added that departments are currently working on 300 Brexit-related programmes – including training staff and designing new IT systems. Departments are preparing detailed delivery plans for each of the [circa] 300 programmes under way across government and these are monitored closely by DExEU and the Cabinet Office. Each of these plans prepares the country for the range of negotiated outcomes and a ‘no deal’ scenario for a policy area affected by the UK leaving the EU. The plans set out detailed delivery timelines including, for example, to recruit and train new staff; to design and procure IT systems; and to deliver the necessary legislative and regulatory changes.

Sounds good to me and about time the Government showed its preparing for WTO option. 

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On 31/10/2017 at 4:42 PM, stevewinn said:

 

When you think the progressive Left as they like to call themselves where always against globalists, the political Elite, the establishment, yet when it came to the crunch it was the Brexiteers who took on the challenge proving the progressive left are just the pretenders, The Brexiteers took on the globalists, the political elite and establishment, We took on the multinational, the corporate banks, the Government Departments, Treasury etc.Bank of Egland.. and to crown it all off we even had one Barack Obama lecturing us on the back of the queue speech. We can be proud we took everything they could throw at us and despite all that we won, something they cannot accept.

 


Same with the Trump Presidency - absolutely everything bar the kitchen sink was thrown at American voters -
but they, like the Brexit Leave Camp - held their nerve and showed the establishment and political elite that they weren't gullible sheep
that could be easily manipulated by the Professional Muck Spreaders using the TV, newspapers, magazines 
and Social media
 

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16 minutes ago, bee said:


Same with the Trump Presidency - absolutely everything bar the kitchen sink was thrown at American voters -
but they, like the Brexit Leave Camp - held their nerve and showed the establishment and political elite that they weren't gullible sheep
that could be easily manipulated by the Professional Muck Spreaders using the TV, newspapers, magazines 
and Social media
 

It does make me laugh when I see scaremongering in the Guardian, like yesterday when they said something like "Bank of England Boss: 100,000 Jobs To Be Lost On Day One of Brexit". And the monumental arrogance of the Guardian when they smugly say "We can stop Brexit! Here's how you can stop it" and so on.  

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It was reported the other day that the National Audit office will go over the books for the EU's 'divorce bill' demand to see if it represents value for money for the UK taxpayer. As it stands the EU as still not given a figure and as such the National Audit Office are putting the figure between £30 and £100Billion. Also related to this the UK is putting together its claim for the legal share of EU assets which the UK as paid into and been a net contributor for 43 years. the assets are estimated to be between £140 to £190Billion. the UK's share which the EU would owe us is estimated to be between £25 to £38Billion.

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1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

It was reported the other day that the National Audit office will go over the books for the EU's 'divorce bill' demand to see if it represents value for money for the UK taxpayer. As it stands the EU as still not given a figure and as such the National Audit Office are putting the figure between £30 and £100Billion. Also related to this the UK is putting together its claim for the legal share of EU assets which the UK as paid into and been a net contributor for 43 years. the assets are estimated to be between £140 to £190Billion. the UK's share which the EU would owe us is estimated to be between £25 to £38Billion.

Ohh, it would be so ironic - as well as comedy gold - if we suddenly demanded that the EU settle their 'divorce bill' before we discussed trade :lol:

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18 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

Ohh, it would be so ironic - as well as comedy gold - if we suddenly demanded that the EU settle their 'divorce bill' before we discussed trade :lol:

it certainly would. What i find astonishing is here we are heading towards round six of the talks and the EU still haven't itemised the 'divorce bill' they know their on dodgy ground and the outlandish demands have no legal basis.

I just hope when the EU finally publish the figure Theresa May doesn't stupidly voluntary agree to pay a large fee in exchange for a trade agreement. She's already more or less agreed to pay £20Billion to 2019/20 as a gesture,of goodwill. "So members don't have to pay more or receive less"  to date the British Government as been more concerned with ensuring the EU is supported from EU citizens rights to paying the £20 Billion at some point the British people will ask when are our interest going to be put first?

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The New Brexit trade Bill will be published today.

According to evidence from Dr Liam Fox. Trade Secretary, There are 40 Countries wanting to continue with Free trade arrangements. further to these the USA, Australia and New Zealand look likely to be the first three to sign trade agreements.

750 Government staff recruited to the department of Trade.

http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a16ea893-f6bf-4ddc-b952-dfab6796d7ad

If people want to see the work going on just scroll down the twitter link Department for International Trade.

https://twitter.com/tradegovuk

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNeayJWX4AERrjE.jpg:large

The graph shows how the UK's future lays beyond the confines of the EU single market.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

 Meanwhile, in the mews (well, someone's opinion) today: 

 

 

Ahh CNN in collusion with a former speech writer for Tony Blair -

say no more

well say no more except to quote one of the comments below the article :) 

McTernan is a Blairite and a chronic apologist for that unprosecuted internationalist war criminal.  I am not at all surprised CNN is showcasing him.  Teresa May is not up to her ears in blood like Blair and Cameron (for Libya).  She is doing the best she can for Britons with an almost impossible situation.

I supported Brexit to stop or at least imped Britain's neocon aggressionism - as well as help Britons defend themselves against Continental/EU totalitarianism - and it seems to be working.

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1 minute ago, bee said:

She is doing the best she can for Britons with an almost impossible situation.

Whose fault was that? Her predecessor for calling the brexit vote and being arrogant enough to believe that he'd never have to face the result of a 'yes' vote (or was it 'no'?)  So she bravely stepped forward and took up the impossible situation because no one else was going to? (Certainly we should be grateful to her for saving us from Boris.) Or her own fault for creating the impossible situation for herself by calling an election purely in order to strengthen her own position, which, er... didn't? Either way she's utterly lacking in any kind of leadership and, while she's obsessed with brexit to the extent of not knowing how to do anything but parrot slogans like "Brexit means Brexit!", she has no actual plan of how to go about it. I'm sorry to be brutal, but she's hopelessly out of her depth.

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Lest we forget why Teresa May and Donald Trump are under never ending attack from certain quarters -

I'm not talking about you Manfred you just seem to hate TM no matter what she does - I personally agree with the comment
that she is doing the best she can with an almost impossible situation -

Brexit and the Trump Presidency are on a path leading away from the New World Order - and that isn't going down
too well - Brexit and the Trump Presidency are probably see as a hiccup in the moves towards One World Government
and Economy / currency - but moves that have to be ruthlessly crushed by any means necessary -

and that's what we are witnessing now - and why the Brexit process is being made as tough as possible - IMO

video description --

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller [June, 1991]
 

 

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