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i am myself a british citizen and i think that tony blair can do much more for us.

yes he has promised us better hospitals schools and so on but has he really fullfilled all his promises ? ?

i think not.. to me he is only there so he can control what is going on but that is only my opinion ..

i would like you yours yes.gif

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Until the Tories look electable or he hands the reigns to Gordon Brown it doesnt matter, as long as he wants it and his heart beats the job is his.

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very true

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Tony Blair is an annoying right-winger, however between him and the Tories we have to hope he stays in power. However, luckly Wales and Scotland have a way out of this 'vote Classic Tory (Conservative) or New Tory (Labour)' situation, and I advise them to vote independence and join the European Superstate as soon as possible.

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i cannot agree with you more.... yes.gifyes.gifyes.gifyes.gifyes.gifyes.gifyes.gifyes.gif

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Being an American I am very unfamiliar with your politics. The 2 different parties mentioned in these posts, are they similar to the Democrats and Republicans in the United States.

Talon made mention of the European Superstate, this is also something I am not familiar with. Is this in reference to consortium of European countries currently in financial power?

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Being an American I am very unfamiliar with your politics. The 2 different parties mentioned in these posts, are they similar to the Democrats and Republicans in the United States.

Labour is more like the Democrats. The Conservatives are like the Republicans.

However ironically your leader Bush hates the Conservatives and likes the Labour Party, even though Howard has more in common than Bush than Blair. Its probably because Blair, unlike Howard is pro-war and Howard despite being just like Bush policy-wise (minus the religion, which wouldn't get people elected here), is isolationist and wouldn't want to be best friends with Europe or America.

Talon made mention of the European Superstate, this is also something I am not familiar with. Is this in reference to consortium of European countries currently in financial power?

Its the continuing atempt by France and Germany to turn the EU into a more US style system. Its take decades to sort out though.

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Blair is a sniveling pipsqueak, when backed into a corner he hasn't got a clue, what to say. I'd rather we stayed out of the european superstate thanks talon, our grandfathers and ancestors died for our freedom from europe, be it the nazis or the french, they aren't getting us that easily....

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And my ancestors fought against the rest of Britain for a thousand years, didn't stop some greedy capitalists selling us out in 1707.

And what do you mean freedom? You do know it'll be a democracy right? tongue.gif

Edited by Talon S.

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And what do you mean freedom? You do know it'll be a democracy right? tongue.gif

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I'm not sure how to understand this, are you being sarcastic saying that democracy is freedom (when it isn't) or saying democracy really is freedom and the jokes on me? mellow.gif

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Well I won't say democracy means freedom no, but I'm just saying its not going to be a dictatorship like under Germany.

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Well I won't say democracy means freedom no, but I'm just saying its not going to be a dictatorship like under Germany.

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Are you quite sure of that? Lets look at what our own "free" country is doing to itsself right now, Civil Contingencies Bill ring any bells? The UK version of the infamous patriot act.....oh how democracy has fallen....

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Are you quite sure of that? Lets look at what our own "free" country is doing to itsself right now, Civil Contingencies Bill ring any bells? The UK version of the infamous patriot act.....oh how democracy has fallen....

Well like I said, democracy doesn't mean freedom tongue.gif

Most democracies are actually a joke. All are still controlled by elites.

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Well like I said, democracy doesn't mean freedom tongue.gif

Most democracies are actually a joke. All are still controlled by elites.

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With that said, i rest my case...

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As most of the people thats have commented on this thread (inc. myself) are under 25 then it is hard for us to realise just how bad a state the united kingdom was in after 18 years of tory rule.

Soaring interest rates.

Economy in utter freefall.

Unemployment breking all records. (In the millions)

Health service utterly destroyed. (10 times worse that it is just now)

Boom and bust policies (much like in america just now) where when the it goes bust it really goes bust and the poor and lower classes foot the bill.

Unions Destroyed

I eman i could go on and on and on.

No matter what childish digs you all aim at tony blair his government has slashed unemployment , controlled interest rates, stopped provatisation, stopped boom and bust , is attemptig to fix the health service instead of privatise it and unemployment is at a RECORD low.

These are the bloody things that matter in life not wether Blair's slightly more right wing than most labour leaders of the past. Thats why they werent in power for 18 years.

This year at the labour party conference i was watching it on tv with my mum , i commented how bad a leader blair has become and she reminded me of just how BAD the tories had been.

To twydp

UNlike talon says we actually have 3 major parties Tabour , Tories and Liber democrats.

The liberal democrats have only made it into power once or twice , the last time was directly after the war where ironically they set up the NHS.

ALthought hey are the 3 major we have many independant parties that make it into parliament , there is a very wide choice to choose from.

Mind you i dont share talons wish for an independant scotland lol ;-) so he would say that the SNP are a better choice , i would rather the tories in power than that bunch of whingeing slimy ****s lol.

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No matter what childish digs you all aim at tony blair his government has slashed unemployment , controlled interest rates, stopped provatisation, stopped boom and bust , is attemptig to fix the health service instead of privatise it and unemployment is at a RECORD low.

I don't anyone said he was worse than the Tories. He's just a whingeing slimy ****'

UNlike talon says we actually have 3 major parties Tabour , Tories and Liber democrats.

The liberal democrats have only made it into power once or twice , the last time was directly after the war where ironically they set up the NHS.

I wass never denying we had more than two parties, just that the elections only ever come down to Tories and Conservatives.

Mind you i dont share talons wish for an independant scotland lol ;-) so he would say that the SNP are a better choice , i would rather the tories in power than that bunch of whingeing slimy ****s

There is nothing slimy about being a patriot and loving your country enough to want it to be run by its own government rather than your neighbours.

Why is it people b*tch all day long about hating policies being dictated from Brussels, but the moment someone says they son't want policies dictatred from them from Westminster suddenly everyone calls them 'anglopobic', 'whingeing', 'slimy', '****s' etc

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Blair is a sniveling pipsqueak, when backed into a corner he hasn't got a clue, what to say. I'd rather we stayed out of the european superstate thanks talon, our grandfathers and ancestors died for our freedom from europe, be it the nazis or the french, they aren't getting us that easily....

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Those same ancestors shed blood, sweat and tears to establish the british empire and what happened? through time we gave most of those countries back. rightfully so though. He has been under **** loads of pressure in his time though. Its sad to see that he's sucking up to bush all the time and put our lads and money into the iraq war when our own country the u.k. needs fixed first.

hope i didn't offend anyone just my opinion. thumbsup.gif

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Why is it people b*tch all day long about hating policies being dictated from Brussels, but the moment someone says they son't want policies dictatred from them from Westminster suddenly everyone calls them 'anglopobic', 'whingeing', 'slimy', '****s' etc

I wasnt talking about you..more i was talking about salmond and his cronies.

And if the snp doesnt plan on joining the EU and taking orderd from brussels how the hell does it believe we can be an independant country.

The fisheries aint enough , the north sea oil aint enough.

WHat else do we have.

We'll end up like Latvia or estonia.

They have similar population sizes and similar resources and look at them.

The republic of ireland get MASSIVE handouts from europe.

So u either get into bed with europe and be damnded or dont and be in an even worse state.

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Why is it people b*tch all day long about hating policies being dictated from Brussels, but the moment someone says they son't want policies dictatred from them from Westminster suddenly everyone calls them 'anglopobic', 'whingeing', 'slimy', '****s' etc

I wasnt talking about you..more i was talking about salmond and his cronies.

I was including them, cause you can't be basing that opinion on then on anything less than they are patriotic. Your a socialist, you should at least admire them for being more left-wing that Labour.

And if the snp doesnt plan on joining the EU and taking orderd from brussels how the hell does it believe we can be an independant country.

Course it beleives in joining the EU, and I think you place to much emphasis on the power Brussel's has.

The fisheries aint enough , the north sea oil aint enough.

WHat else do we have.

Coal, Tourism, Agriculture, Water (Scotland supplies the rest of the UK with the stuff cause they dry up all the time), Brewry, and as for oil, for now we still have that, but you don't honestly beleive the UK will hang onto us 'loafers' once all our oil is used up? Trust me, the moment Westminster has used up the last our our natural resources they'll drop us like a ton of bricks, then then Scotland really will have trouble being independent, but the blame for that certainly won't lie with those of us who have alway be loyal to her freedom.

We'll end up like Latvia or estonia.

They have similar population sizes and similar resources and look at them.

Were do people like get this rubbish. Those are suffering because they their industrialisation isn't as advanced as ours, their infrostructure is solid after being occupied for so long by the USSR, their resources have been drained and its population destroyed by 90 years of Stalinist rule. We have nothing in common with them. We'd be like Israel, Ireland Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, or Norway which have populations around or smaller than 5 million area, and their certainly not Third World style nations are they? Or do you think they should all be absorbed and governed by their larger neighbours to save them from their inability to be independent too? Ever better examples, Luxemburg, Malta, Andorra all have populations of a few thousand.

You've been listening to much Tory propaganda, spilled out by Thatcherites who went on and on about how much we couldn't survive without being in the UK, and how much of a drain were on England's economy and how inferioir we were genetically and that other Conservative cr*p.

I ask you, despite being so anti-Scottish why were they the most desperate party to hold Britain together. .... now... why would a party which says we're a drain and leaches be so desperate to hold onto us and make us believe those lies... hmmmm?..... its because they knew the truth that you don’t have enough confidence in your own people to believe.

The republic of ireland get MASSIVE handouts from europe.

So u either get into bed with europe and be damnded or dont and be in an even worse state.

That’s because Ireland was largely unindustrialised when they broke away from the UK, it was one of the reasons they did. Anyway, I have most respect for a people who are willing to stand on their own two feet if they do need help doing to than a people who don’t have enough confidence in themselves to believe they can rule themselves.

Here’s an idea, why don’t all the people who want to British go to England, then all the people who want to be Welsh and Scottish can be independent. That way everyone’s happy, I’m not forcing you to be Scottish and your not forcing me to be British anymore.

Edited by Talon S.

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Here’s an idea, why don’t all the people who want to British go to England, then all the people who want to be Welsh and Scottish can be independent. That way everyone’s happy, I’m not forcing you to be Scottish and your not forcing me to be British anymore.

Why should i ??

Im just as scottish as you are and just as patriotic. (probably more so)

Trivial things such as being a memeber of the SFA supporters club and SRU supporters club.

I never miss anything that my country or countrymen do.

However , just becuase i want to live in a strong country that i am proud of that can actually make a difference in the world doesn mean i am anti -scottish.

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ya know beleive it or not we probably have very similar feelings on scotland.

I do want independance , i just dont think it would gove me or anyone else a better quality of life.

The other industries are incidental, they arent big enough to support the entire country.

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ya know beleive it or not we probably have very similar feelings on scotland.

I do want independance , i just dont think it would gove me or anyone else a better quality of life.

The other industries are incidental, they arent big enough to support the entire country.

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yo celtic boy, hope the Gers beat youz on sunday thumbsup.gif

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hahahahaha

rite roon ye were so gonna beat that manky mob

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Why should i ??

Because under this regime you have everything and we have nothing. Why should you have your cake and eat it.

Im just as scottish as you are and just as patriotic. (probably more so)

I don't see how you can make that assessment.

Trivial things such as being a memeber of the SFA supporters club and SRU supporters club.

What? You think what football and Rugby you support somehow reflects on how much you love your country? Don't be so stupid. Bet all those guys in the French, Norweigen etc Resistance during WW2 had football as the last thing on their mind. Liking a Sport does NOT define national alliagence.

However , just becuase i want to live in a strong country that i am proud of that can actually make a difference in the world doesn mean i am anti -scottish.

Likewise I want to live in a country which doesn't have such a low opinion of itself that it believes it needs hand-outs from England to survive.

ya know beleive it or not we probably have very similar feelings on scotland.

Not likely, in your own words I can't because I don't like football.

Anyway, its you whose insulting your fellow Scots left right and centre just because they want freedom.

The other industries are incidental, they arent big enough to support the entire country.

Big enough in every other country which is our size.

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Celtic 7 Huns -3 coulnd not resist

I cant stand Blair,he is a slimy sh-t,never wrong when he is wrong ,cano`t even apoligise once when he or his party make a mistake..aahhh quick where`s ma tablets

Unemployment lower than when the torries were in power,did you know that unemployment was going down just before labour came into power

How many people are claiming incapacity benefit,that are never down as unemployed,how many people claimingdisabillity benefit that are not down as unemployed,how many people between 16 and 18 that are not allowed any benefit atall that are not down as unemployed.

Add up all those figures and tell me that unemployment is at its all time low

And these figures all come from a minister from Labour

Illegal imigrants...over 300.000 thousand unacounted for in britian,try 550.000 estimated illegal imigrants allready in britian...leeked from a labour mp

It is harder to bring over drink and fags from another countrie than people

How many of these illegal ims could be terrorists?

How many are screwing our fragile NHS system

How many are claiming DHSS falsley

Blairs old friend blunket said..we dont realy know how many people are here that should not be here...its a mess?

Our outdated and crumbling rail and road network...a shambles

Our hospitals...what a joke...there were 100.000 thousand beds in NHS hospitals last year..labour figures

Labour introduced 100.100 thousand addminastrators to run and check the Hospitals to make sure we are getting value for money

100.100 thousand times 40.000pound a year add it up,this is so called value for money

Has waiting times gone down ...NO

how clean are our hospitals...the worst since the victorian era

We must join Europe..why,who elected these people who are alreadty there in power..you ..me ..no one

How stupid would it be to join a bunch of spineless backbone money grabbers who would have the right to tell you what to do and when.

And may i remind you most of these people in the EU are corrupt ,coruption money londering fruad,the list goes on

that will do for now i have sore fingers

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