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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ann-coulter-berkeley-lecture-cancelled_us_58f7ffcae4b0cb086d7dedb6

I'm curious to hear the responses about this bit of news.  I think she should hire personal security and give her speech.  This is a PUBLIC university.  It receives a lot of taxpayer dollars and either the administrators need to ensure free speech for ALL on that campus, or the money needs to be stopped.  I heard a radio host suggest that the Cali state guard should be Federalized and should escort her onto campus.  This crap is out of control and needs to be addressed now.  The alt right wacko, Spencer was to speak at Auburn University and when a group of mask wearing thugs showed up to protest, they were told to remove the masks or be arrested!  What a difference geography and attitude can make in these situations :) 

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The title of your thread is presumptuous in my opinion...

"The Death of Free Speech". Really?

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The title description line is false too when it says right in the article that Ann Coulter will go to make her speech next week.   The death of free speech?   It's not even the death of a speech.

Whatever solution it is we're implicitly asking for over these Berkeley stories is a lot worse than whatever it is we're simultaneously complaining about.  

Like something "needs to be done" about this, of all things govt could o/w be doing.  It's like we can't find a story dumb enough to usher in the police state or a new age of govt bodyguards. 

Can't Coulter just find a single conservative out there with a gun carry permit to protect her?   Lame.  

These right wing nuts "need to" exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, likewise the people who care so much about the right wing nuts should stop pretending like the 2nd Amendment doesn't exist.

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1 hour ago, Likely Guy said:

The title of your thread is presumptuous in my opinion...

"The Death of Free Speech". Really?

A major U.S. university caves to anarchists and cancels an invited speaker, rather than insist on her 1st amendment rights be defended at a public university and rather than engage on the facts, you quibble over the use of a phrase?

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2 hours ago, and then said:

A major U.S. university caves to anarchists and cancels an invited speaker, rather than insist on her 1st amendment rights be defended at a public university and rather than engage on the facts, you quibble over the use of a phrase?

What's missing in your quote is the topic of the proposed speech.  That it is highly provocative and unpopular is very relevant here!   I find it inspiring that it offends the morality of so many.  It should cause pause for thought and possible reassessment of her stance.... 

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Speech is not free, it is only somewhat free.  Among other limits, You cannot libel or slander people. your amplified speech cannot be a nuisance, you cannot publish state secrets, you cannot publish as yours something written by someone else (actually you can if the copyright has expired but you will be labeled a plagiarist anyway) and you cannot incite to violence.

"Freedom of speech" is more a slogan than a reality.  However, she has not been told she cannot say certain things, only had her venue restricted for what seem valid reasons.  Calling this a violation of free speech then may be a bit hysterical.

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2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

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I find this so ironic in that it can be both applied to the people protesting a speech and the people complaining about the protestors exercising their freedom of speech to protest said speech.

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6 hours ago, and then said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ann-coulter-berkeley-lecture-cancelled_us_58f7ffcae4b0cb086d7dedb6

I'm curious to hear the responses about this bit of news.  I think she should hire personal security and give her speech.  This is a PUBLIC university.  It receives a lot of taxpayer dollars and either the administrators need to ensure free speech for ALL on that campus, or the money needs to be stopped.  I heard a radio host suggest that the Cali state guard should be Federalized and should escort her onto campus.  This crap is out of control and needs to be addressed now.  The alt right wacko, Spencer was to speak at Auburn University and when a group of mask wearing thugs showed up to protest, they were told to remove the masks or be arrested!  What a difference geography and attitude can make in these situations :) 

There is no violence in this video, just Peace Officers unmasking these individuals. I think that it's true what people say that Communism fascist first appears as anarchist.

Have you heard of  The newest American hero named "The Based Stick Man" ? https://www.everipedia.com/kyle-chapman-based-stick-man/

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3 hours ago, sees said:

What's missing in your quote is the topic of the proposed speech.  That it is highly provocative and unpopular is very relevant here!   I find it inspiring that it offends the morality of so many.  It should cause pause for thought and possible reassessment of her stance.... 

No, what is missing is a debate about it. It has become very clear to the world that communist & fascist do not debate.

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1 hour ago, Lilly said:

Undergrad college students (primarily age 18 to 21) are being told by their professors that any political opinion other than that of the far left is horrific and evil. Any political speakers other than those supporting the far left are vilified, labeled as Nazis and summarily shouted down. And let's be real here, the protesting students aren't just exercising their freedom of speech to protest those they disagree with...they are violently rioting, destroying property, physically attacking those they disagree with.

When self control, civility and basic human decency are discarded in favor of violence, hatred and destructiveness we have a very big problem. All that stands between anarchy and a society based on violent tribalism is The Constitution of the United States and the structure of law and human rights contained therein. IMO what we are seeing take place at various universities is even worse than the suppression of freedom of speech, it's an attack on the very foundation of society.

We've been saying this for how long now? Why do you think I always post things that I do like infowars and such? Because it shows how instead of debating what people do not want to hear they ridicule the individual "online that is" but in person we see what they do. PC was an issue everywhere even here at one time, it's gotten much better though, because we didn't bow down before it.

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3 hours ago, sees said:

What's missing in your quote is the topic of the proposed speech.  That it is highly provocative and unpopular is very relevant here!   I find it inspiring that it offends the morality of so many.  It should cause pause for thought and possible reassessment of her stance.... 

With Coulter, her topics aren't provocative (unlike Milo Yiannopoulos), though they are generally unpopular with the American Leftists - as they are ideologically opposite (which is why these speeches get shut down - they don't support/parrot the Leftist ideology).

That said, much of the stated reasoning behind the cancellation of Coulter's speech was that they didn't want what happened with Yiannopoulos' event to happen again - which it wouldn't, if the school admin acted like admin.

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17 minutes ago, MstrMsn said:

With Coulter, her topics aren't provocative (unlike Milo Yiannopoulos), though they are generally unpopular with the American Leftists - as they are ideologically opposite (which is why these speeches get shut down - they don't support/parrot the Leftist ideology).

That said, much of the stated reasoning behind the cancellation of Coulter's speech was that they didn't want what happened with Yiannopoulos' event to happen again - which it wouldn't, if the school admin acted like admin.

I don't mean to chime but, I don't believe that's the entire reason as to why because they've lied there before.  I think they just wanted to shut down Ann Coulter and so they want their way about it.

 

Coulter shared with WND this letter she sent to YAF Tuesday, in which her growing frustration with the university’s intransigence is apparent.

It is an inside look at her concerns as well as her attempts to get the university to ensure the safety of it’s own students, and allow for the free exchange of ideas:

Instead of quibbling over the little stuff, let’s get something big in return. All of us are presumably working toward the same end.

We all know what’s being planned and failure to take the following 2 basic steps is PROOF that they have no intention of ever allowing conservative speakers on the Berkeley campus.

A) The no. 1 important issue is that the local police chief has repeatedly ordered his men to stand down whenever a conservative speaker shows up on campus, letting the rioters shut it down. (University of California President) Janet Napolitano has got to have a chat with the local police chief. It’s shocking and shameful how he has ordered his men to DO NOTHING. Do not tell me the chancellor of the California university system does not have to power to change his mind!!!

B) Berkeley needs to announce in advance that any students caught rioting, fighting, throwing things, heckling or otherwise disrupting invited speakers, will be expelled. Again, I AGREE WITH THEM that this is not students rioting, so it shouldn’t be a problem.

Will the school be providing metal detectors? We are going to need help with big guys at the doors checking student IDs. If we agree to their plan of a 2pm speech and their idea of students only (plus my friends), then they ought to be helping us with this. IF THEY WANT FREE SPEECH TO BE ALLOWED AT BERKELEY THEY HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO.

Coulter told the Washington Post the university tried to force her to cancel her speech by “imposing ridiculous demands,” even though, as she told WND, she had agreed “to all of their silly requirements.”

Those demands included holding the event at midday rather than in evening, letting only students attend, and not announcing the exact venue until the last minute.

Coulter said even though she agreed with the conditions, her speech “has been unconstitutionally banned” by the “public, taxpayer-supported U.C. Berkeley.”

“They just up and announced that I was prohibited from speaking anyway,” she maintained.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/all-lies-furious-coulter-goes-public-on-war-with-u-c-berkeley/#chfpfoWZEL1YykRk.99

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8 hours ago, and then said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ann-coulter-berkeley-lecture-cancelled_us_58f7ffcae4b0cb086d7dedb6

I'm curious to hear the responses about this bit of news.  I think she should hire personal security and give her speech.  This is a PUBLIC university.  It receives a lot of taxpayer dollars and either the administrators need to ensure free speech for ALL on that campus, or the money needs to be stopped.  I heard a radio host suggest that the Cali state guard should be Federalized and should escort her onto campus.  This crap is out of control and needs to be addressed now.  The alt right wacko, Spencer was to speak at Auburn University and when a group of mask wearing thugs showed up to protest, they were told to remove the masks or be arrested!  What a difference geography and attitude can make in these situations :) 

Maybe David Horowitz can speak there next after Ann Coulter.

 

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7 hours ago, Hi-NRG Eurobeat Man said:

Although OP's claims may be a bit bloated, students do need to start learning that freedom of the speech is the first amendment of the US. Everyone from moderates to even buffoons wearing nazi attire have the right to speak their ideas on american soil without any repercussions whatsoever. If students can't accept that, we may see a very different America in the future...

Is that what you think Free Speech is?

The right to speak without any repercussions whatsoever?

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2 hours ago, Lilly said:

Undergrad college students (primarily age 18 to 21) are being told by their professors that any political opinion other than that of the far left is horrific and evil.

Undergrad students get told many things by their professors.  Meanwhile, the professors are tickled pink if the students just does the damn reading for the class.

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1 hour ago, Ellapennella said:

I don't mean to chime but, I don't believe that's the entire reason as to why because they've lied there before.  I think they just wanted to shut down Ann Coulter and so they want their way about it.

 

Like I said, "stated reasoning". As far as actual reasoning, I stated this - which best explains any reasoning for why the Left would cancel a speech/ban a speaker...

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though they are generally unpopular with the American Leftists - as they are ideologically opposite (which is why these speeches get shut down - they don't support/parrot the Leftist ideology).

The campus police won't do anything that goes against the administration, and the admin won't do anything because they are Leftists.

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1 minute ago, MstrMsn said:

Like I said, "stated reasoning". As far as actual reasoning, I stated this - which best explains any reasoning for why the Left would cancel a speech/ban a speaker...

The campus police won't do anything that goes against the administration, and the admin won't do anything because they are Leftists.

But, Isn't it against the law what the campus is doing?  I heard an Constitutional lawyer say that it is illegal what the campus is doing.

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19 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

But, Isn't it against the law what the campus is doing?  I heard an Constitutional lawyer say that it is illegal what the campus is doing.

Yes, it is. But, campus police aren't going to enforce anything but the school's "laws" - most don't.

The Fed (government and DOJ) could come in and enforce the laws/BoR (but it would make a deeper impression if they just withheld funding).

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1 hour ago, aquatus1 said:

Is that what you think Free Speech is?

The right to speak without any repercussions whatsoever?

"While I disagree with what you say I will defend to the death your right to say it."

If you want to wear a KKK outfit and stand on the street corner shouting racist rhetoric, that is your right. Now, you will get your derriere beat but your right to say it is protected. ANTIFA is trying to shut down public speakers who, let's be honest, aren't even saying anything that controversial. Controversial to the nu-Left maybe, but fairly benign for most of us. Disagreeing with gender pronouns while reinforcing the ideas behind the Constitution does not make you a Nazi and does not imply you should be violently shut down.

If these "patriots" (I feel corny saying that but it's accurate,) had not decided to start pushing back, radical Liberals would continue showing up to events and shutting them down across the country. Eventually, these speakers would choose to or be unable to continue doing these talks. Fast forward 20 years and free speech is in real trouble. It may seem like meaningless fights between groups now but there really is a culture war happening. ANTIFA won't be satisfied until we ALL think like they do, because they are brainwashed to be die-hard Communists. I saw some screen capped Reddit posts from ANTIFA members talking about coming to events armed as they can't "suppress fascism" with their tiny little fists. They are getting desperate, Aquatus - this isn't going to end well if they keep it up. For all intents and purposes, this is a new Civil War to save Western culture.

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1 hour ago, Dark_Grey said:

"While I disagree with what you say I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

It's funny and very telling that I only hear or see this line when people are talking about hate groups.

 

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7 hours ago, Gromdor said:

I find this so ironic in that it can be both applied to the people protesting a speech and the people complaining about the protestors exercising their freedom of speech to protest said speech.

Even when their "protest" includes violence?

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