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So now it looks like two events wiped out the dinos and other critters. Interesting!

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It's amazing how we can learn so much from archaeologists.

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Link to the original article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/04/21/ancient-stone-carvings-confirm-comet-struck-earth-10950bc-wiping/

Seems a bit odd saying that a 9,000 BC structure records something that happened 2,000 years ago half way around the world where it could not have been directly observed.

I'll puzzle on that for awhile

Oh and the lead author appears to be chemical engineer

https://www.eng.ed.ac.uk/about/people/dr-martin-sweatman

 

Here is the full paper:

http://www.research.ed.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/decoding-gobekli-tepe-with-archaeoastronomy-what-does-the-fox-say(87df8ed0-2145-4c4a-b37d-bf3f6178097b).html

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We have interpreted much of the symbolism of Göbekli Tepe in terms of astronomical events. By matching low-relief carvings on some of the pillars at Göbekli Tepe to star asterisms we find compelling evidence that the famous ‘Vulture Stone’ is a date stamp for 10950 BC ± 250 yrs, which corresponds closely to the proposed Younger Dryas event, estimated at 10890 BC. We also find evidence that a key function of Göbekli Tepe was to observe meteor showers and record cometary encounters. Indeed, the people of Göbekli Tepe appear to have had a special interest in the Taurid meteor stream, the same meteor stream that is proposed as responsible for the Younger-Dryas event. Is Göbekli Tepe the ‘smoking gun’ for the Younger-Dryas cometary encounter, and hence for coherent catastrophism

'Interpreted' oh my!

I would change the title of this thread from 'confirm' to 'speculates on a'

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Let me speculate the paper comes from people working outside their fields of expertise and is their first paper on this sort of subject. I would based on this hazard a guess that they are fans of Graham Hancock and have come up with this to try and support his ideas.

 

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1 hour ago, paperdyer said:

So now it looks like two events wiped out the dinos and other critters. Interesting!

The dinosaurs were gone way earlier than 10k years ago.

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So...Graham Hancock was right? He's been preaching this idea since the 90's but Academia has been very reluctant to attribute the most recent mass extinction with a comet impact. Not sure why they are so stuck on linear-ism. Impacts have happened before, there are thousands of big rocks whizzing around the Earth...why has this theory been so aggressively opposed for so long?

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1 hour ago, paperdyer said:

So now it looks like two events wiped out the dinos and other critters. Interesting!

The two events are 64 million + years apart....this latest one, if true, had nowt to do with the demise of the Dinosaurs.

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So here we have another case of

A. Assume they represent constellations.

B. Look for constellations that match

C. Get extremely lucky.

I'm immediately suspicious as to how they came to automatically associate the date with the event. Almost as if they were looking for something to begin with?

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8 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

So...Graham Hancock was right? He's been preaching this idea since the 90's but Academia has been very reluctant to attribute the most recent mass extinction with a comet impact. Not sure why they are so stuck on linear-ism. Impacts have happened before, there are thousands of big rocks whizzing around the Earth...why has this theory been so aggressively opposed for so long?

The amusing thing is they're saying the alleged event gave rise to the various first civilizations while hancock as claiming the opposite, that a single previous advanced global civilization was destroyed by it.

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12 minutes ago, Oniomancer said:

So here we have another case of

A. Assume they represent constellations.

B. Look for constellations that match

C. Get extremely lucky.

I'm immediately suspicious as to how they came to automatically associate the date with the event. Almost as if they were looking for something to begin with?

Yep its very speculative in my mind highly unlikely

Reading the paper again now

From the paper - this part sounds remarkably fringy:

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The people of Göbekli Tepe considered it important to record the Earth’s precession over very long timescales in a very visible and enduring fashion. What was their motivation? Quite possibly, it was to communicate to potentially scepical generations that followed that a great truth about the ordering of the world was known, and that this truth was important for their continued prosperity, and perhaps survival.

It assumes that ancestors of the GT saw a comet or meteor pass overhead then later associated any later weather pattern changes to that evident - they would not have seen or felt the impact.

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21 minutes ago, Oniomancer said:

The amusing thing is they're saying the alleged event gave rise to the various first civilizations while hancock as claiming the opposite, that a single previous advanced global civilization was destroyed by it.

Yeah his whole premise is based on the idea that survivors of the pre-impact civilization imparted knowledge on to nomadic cultures. He believes the old world consisted of advanced cultures living at the same time as hunter gatherers. Like how we enjoy internet in America yet there are people living on islands that have not changed in thousands of years.

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5 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Reading the paper now

From the paper - this part sounds remarkably fringy:

It does sound like assuming the conclusion, doesn't it?

5 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

It assumes that ancestors of the GT saw a comet or meteor pass overhead then later associated any later weather pattern changes to that evident - they would not have seen or felt the impact.

They _might_ have heard it if Krakatoa is anything to go by. and debris could've produced noticeable atmospheric effects quite quickly. (Unusual sunsets, etc.)  No telling how direct a connection they would've made though.

 

The question raised however isif  that's what that one stone indicates, what do the others represent?

 

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4 minutes ago, Oniomancer said:

The question raised however isif  that's what that one stone indicates, what do the others represent?

YEAH I was just thinking that too, there are a lot of pillars there - they must all be 'records' of historical astronomical events - or the record of animals/insects that any hunting culture would be interested in. Especially if they thought these beasties had magical powers/spirit forces associated with them!

How many of the pillars have images on them?

 

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I think it is obviously a case of confirmation bias, the alleged evidence interpreted to fit your theory. I do believe there was a comet impact perhaps multiple times throughout man's history it seems ingrained in racial memory and as evidenced by platinum deposits and other geological evidence, however i find it hard to believe gobek tepi is a marker for these events especially the impact mentioned that was 2000yrs old by then!!

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3 minutes ago, FateAmeniableToChange said:

I think it is obviously a case of confirmation bias, the alleged evidence interpreted to fit your theory. I do believe there was a comet impact perhaps multiple times throughout man's history it seems ingrained in racial memory and as evidenced by platinum deposits and other geological evidence, however i find it hard to believe gobek tepi is a marker for these events especially the impact mentioned that was 2000yrs old by then!!

That would be my stance. There appears to have been some sort of 'strike' in that time frame but to believe people would have noted it is a bit far-fetch and as noted by another poster - what are all the symbols on the other pillars - talking about then?

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When I read "Using a computer programme [...] they were able to pinpoint the comet strike to 10,950BC", all from an ancient stone without any sign of celestial coordinates, my jaw dropped, then I noticed the UK and everything became clear. Now I understand why Mr. Pickwick's theory of tittlebats was universally acclaimed.

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3 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

Yeah his whole premise is based on the idea that survivors of the pre-impact civilization imparted knowledge on to nomadic cultures. He believes the old world consisted of advanced cultures living at the same time as hunter gatherers. Like how we enjoy internet in America yet there are people living on islands that have not changed in thousands of years.

Name one ! 

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5 hours ago, Oniomancer said:

It does sound like assuming the conclusion, doesn't it?

They _might_ have heard it if Krakatoa is anything to go by. and debris could've produced noticeable atmospheric effects quite quickly. (Unusual sunsets, etc.)  No telling how direct a connection they would've made though.

The question raised however isif  that's what that one stone indicates, what do the others represent?

I'd venture to say that you'll just have to wait for their book.

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There  is no real evidence a comet struck the Earth in the year 10,950 B.C. If anything there more evidence it didn't  happen.  

 

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7 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

So...Graham Hancock was right? He's been preaching this idea since the 90's but Academia has been very reluctant to attribute the most recent mass extinction with a comet impact. Not sure why they are so stuck on linear-ism. Impacts have happened before, there are thousands of big rocks whizzing around the Earth...why has this theory been so aggressively opposed for so long?

Yes he was. There was not long ago another thread about Gobelki Tepe that was argued by a certain poster that the site was more than a gathering of hunting lodges and a depository of animal bones. He argued that it was an observatory and temple complex representing high culture and civilisation. Of course for some on this site the concept that anything older than 10,000 BC and geared for more than hunters and gathers was impossible to comprehend. 

Would anyone like a piece of crow pie?

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7 hours ago, Oniomancer said:

So here we have another case of

A. Assume they represent constellations.

B. Look for constellations that match

C. Get extremely lucky.

I'm immediately suspicious as to how they came to automatically associate the date with the event. Almost as if they were looking for something to begin with?

...as opposed to ignoring all evidence suggesting more than some can or want to accept.  

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6 hours ago, Hanslune said:

YEAH I was just thinking that too, there are a lot of pillars there - they must all be 'records' of historical astronomical events - or the record of animals/insects that any hunting culture would be interested in. Especially if they thought these beasties had magical powers/spirit forces associated with them!

How many of the pillars have images on them?

 

Probably representative of constellations and gods. But what does it really matter how many pillars there are or what the images point to when you obviously have a problem accepting whats in front of you. The fact is that these structures and the thinking and logic behind them were, not replicated by any other civilisation or peoples before them or for a long time after them. Nothing has been found to date and probably won't be to compare them with. What Gobelki Tepe is or rather should be viewed as, is a historical anomaly. Something that is outta place and time for what man was capable at that time (or at least what current historians will have you believe), and as such should question all known history.  

Hancock was right and his detractors wrong. 

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4 hours ago, FateAmeniableToChange said:

I think it is obviously a case of confirmation bias, the alleged evidence interpreted to fit your theory. I do believe there was a comet impact perhaps multiple times throughout man's history it seems ingrained in racial memory and as evidenced by platinum deposits and other geological evidence, however i find it hard to believe gobek tepi is a marker for these events especially the impact mentioned that was 2000yrs old by then!!

...and because you find it hard to believe it didn't happen? Regardless that the evidence points to something other than you believe... it just didn't happen. What are you basing this on? Here's your chance to tell us why it just didn't happen... 

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7 hours ago, Oniomancer said:

The amusing thing is they're saying the alleged event gave rise to the various first civilizations while hancock as claiming the opposite, that a single previous advanced global civilization was destroyed by it.

10,000 BC and man was painting cave walls and living as hunters and gatherers. Well this is true as the evidence say's so. But what about Gobelki Tepe? Its a temple suggesting permeant habitation and civilisation. Where did this building temples in stone and carving them with excellent motifs... recording cataclysmic events and so forth come from. You know this is specialisation beyond the efforts of subsistence living, requiring learning and craft. It takes time to accumulate this knowledge. You just don't wake up and decide that building in stone and decorating is a good idea. There is logic, reason and effect displayed here. This civilisation came from somewhere cause it sure as hell didn't come directly from the cave painters.    

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I have been studying this comet thing in hitting the earth 10,000 years ago , for a long time  in the Younger Dryas. But it seems all my scientific  data and links proving a comet  never did hit has been wiped out on this site. :( why doesn't this site  keep the data of a member ? I guess I`ll have to go to another site where I posted all this data and hopeful its there.Graham Hancock was so wrong:)

 

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