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He's  right...we need to bring back Civics classes...was unaware it wasn't being taught anymore. 

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16 hours ago, skliss said:

He's  right...we need to bring back Civics classes...was unaware it wasn't being taught anymore. 

And for such a long, ,long time.

But it does not seem as if anyone cares, or maybe they just love the conflict.

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26 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

And for such a long, ,long time.

But it does not seem as if anyone cares, or maybe they just love the conflict.

Maybe they are not paying attention. We focus on survival and earning a living and assume our schools are doing things right.  Maybe this is a really good thing and will wake parents up.  I am going to go to the website and sign the preamble.  That was a great idea.

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16 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Maybe they are not paying attention. ...

Well, they sure are doing a good job of ignoring this thread, aren't they?

So be it.

Shut up, arm up and hunker down, I reckon. The time for talk is just about over. 

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On 4/29/2017 at 1:08 AM, AnchorSteam said:

- when it comes to Political Debate.

 

Tucker Carlson was floored, and his silence was as golden as what he finally had to say.

Rishard Dreyfus knocked it out of the park, and HOW he said it was almost as good as what he had to say.

(it is just 6 minutes, so give it a shot)

 

 

Agreed?

 

I like Richard Dreyfus I confess I had him stereotyped as a raging liberal. 

Great interview with him. "The assumptions of the left and the right are all skewed wrong".....great quote by him. 

Absolutely they should be teaching civics in school. 

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I graduated in the '90s. We were required to take both government and history. That might have fallen out of fashion since then, and we can see the results of that among many Millennials who lack *basic* knowledge about the things that define our country. Youth are malleable when basic knowledge is kept from them.

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Read the Lincoln letters and the transcripts of the Lincoln/Douglas debates. The words are full of meaning. Crowds of thousands spent hours listening, Our minds were more alive and alert in those days.

I read a transcript of AP's interview with Trump the other day. The man is unintelligible and incapable of a cohesive thought process.

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2 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

n/t

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8 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

here we go again....  :rolleyes:

 

Okay, fine, link me to the transcript?

The un-edited, full version, I mean. If every single post of any kind you make is required to include an attack on the President, even if it is totally off-topic and gratuitous, I will have to challenge it.

Being open does not being a push-over.

Holy cow. Maybe you were inquiring about the transcripts from the Lincoln/Douglas debates? :rolleyes:

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Actually, I was wrong.

Having re-read some of the transcript, for three or four lines Trump can keep a cohesive thought.

I stand corrected.

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10 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

Holy cow. Maybe you were inquiring about the transcripts from the Lincoln/Douglas debates? :rolleyes:

No, I was talking about people who would rather turn every single discussion about anything into some sort of blood-sport, even on a thread that is trying to elevate the discussion and get away from that. It does appear that people who are good at dividing us against each other are so skilled that there is no reason to even hope for Peace in the future. Certainly not when the Govt/Media complex is doing the same thing 24/7 and doing it so well. 

And bad me, I fell for it instead of ignoring your attempt to prevent any possibility of the Left and the Right finding common cause.

I retract my post, and I will ignore all the many posts you are making to take advantage of it.

In this thread, I ONLY want to hear from people who are interested in coming together. Every other thread in this section is about conflict and division and giving everyone reasons to hate each other.

Lets try to be different here, okay? 

 

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1 minute ago, AnchorSteam said:

No, I was talking about people who would rather turn every single discussion about anything into some sort of blood-sport, even on a thread that is trying to elevate the discussion and get away from that. It does appear that people who are good at dividing us against each other are so skilled that there is no reason to even hope for Peace in the future. Certainly not when the Govt/Media complex is doing the same thing 24/7 and doing it so well. 

And bad me, I fell for it instead of ignoring your attempt to prevent any possibility of the Left and the Right finding common cause.

I retract my post, and I will ignore all the many posts you are making to take advantage of it.

In this thread, I ONLY want to hear from people who are interested in coming together. Every other thread in this section is about conflict and division and giving everyone reasons to hate each other.

Lets try to be different here, okay? 

 

So discussing Donald J. Trump, in the U.S. Politics part of the forum, is now outside the limits.

I misspoke.

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1 hour ago, Likely Guy said:

So discussing Donald J. Trump, in the U.S. Politics part of the forum, is now outside the limits.

I misspoke.

You are being deliberately antagonistic in a thread that is meant to be the opposite of that.

A Troll, in other words. 

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46 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

You are being deliberately antagonistic in a thread that is meant to be the opposite of that.

A Troll, in other words. 

Yep, just call me Donald A Troll.

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1 hour ago, AnchorSteam said:

You are being deliberately antagonistic in a thread that is meant to be the opposite of that.

A Troll, in other words. 

Ella's your gramma?

 

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as you may have noticed I'm not American... :)

But to assist with the Troll Control .. B)

Here's a quote of the 'Preamble to the US Constitution' that Richard Dreyfus was talking about -
that I had to look up to see the exact wording -
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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Just a few points to an otherwise awesome piece:

 

- Dreyfuss was only partially right when he quoted Art I, Sec 7.  Indeed the President can’t allocate monies to the states.  It is the province of Congress.  But the President does have the power to withhold those funds until such time he releases them.  So the judge was wrong.

 

- Dreyfuss didn’t answer the question and it is perhaps the most important question.  It doesn’t matter if he has withdrawn from partisan politics, you still have to deal with it.  Now I agree 100% with him when he stated that the Founding Documents must be central and the parties must be peripheral.  Ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.  This nation is based on the idea of two parties.  It’s just that the two parties have forgotten to function with each other.

 

- Dreyfuss talks about the assumptions of the Left and Right are all skewed wrong, which is correct but he doesn’t consider why they are skewed.  Which must be done before we can find areas of agreement and areas that we share.  Now he touches on it and I agree with him that because civics haven’t been taught in the schools like what had been in the past has made people weak in the knowledge and has created a vacuum for socialism to creep into our system compromise our foundation.  This is what causes the skewing.  This is why our institutions of higher learning are almost strictly liberal (socialist).  Socialism is the killer of Freedom and education is the key.

 

Other than these few points I agree 100% with what Dreyfuss said.  And he said it so elegantly. 

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On 4/28/2017 at 11:08 PM, AnchorSteam said:

- when it comes to Political Debate.

 

Tucker Carlson was floored, and his silence was as golden as what he finally had to say.

Rishard Dreyfus knocked it out of the park, and HOW he said it was almost as good as what he had to say.

(it is just 6 minutes, so give it a shot)

 

 

Agreed?

 

Wow, honestly I didn't think I would agree with anyone from Hollywood, but I have to admit, Richard Dreyfuss nailed it.  I wish he would come out more and get into the limelight about this and not hide in the shadows.

I signed the petition.  I graduated from HS in the early '90's and two semesters of Government was required my senior year; but I didn't realize schools stopped this.  It's terrible news that a basic civic class isn't required to graduate HS.  :no:

Dreyfuss needs his own show ... I'd watch for sure.

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2 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

 This nation is based on the idea of two parties.  It’s just that the two parties have forgotten to function with each other.

 

Allow me to nit-pick the one thing I think you got wrong- THAT.

No, it does not have to be like that, in fact it has only been that way for about half the nation's history.

Lincoln had to be at least 3 other serious contenders in 1860, for example, and a couple of other regional spoil-sports.

 

And THANK YOU to everyone signing the petition! :D

 

 

Problem with reconciliation is.... well, all you have to do is scan upwards. People like having an enemy, and like being told that they're right and their opponents are the comfortable strawmen they believe them to be.

As long as the people view those who try to find common ground as traitors and demonized the opposition, civility and working together will remain distasteful concepts. A tragedy, but that's what it is.

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On 29-4-2017 at 6:08 AM, AnchorSteam said:

- when it comes to Political Debate.

 

Tucker Carlson was floored, and his silence was as golden as what he finally had to say.

Rishard Dreyfus knocked it out of the park, and HOW he said it was almost as good as what he had to say.

(it is just 6 minutes, so give it a shot)

 

 

Agreed?

 

 

How is it that instead of this man, we have a narcissistic caricature like Trump in the Whitehouse?

Dreyfuss brings up a paramount point for all Im concerned; being that its not the flow of immigrants that's destroying America(n identity), but the increasing hollowing out, disembowelment of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, is. Of which the recent anti immigrant laws (ironically), and socalled 'Patriot Acts', are shining examples.

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34 minutes ago, AnchorSteam said:

No, it does not have to be like that, in fact it has only been that way for about half the nation's history.

Lincoln had to be at least 3 other serious contenders in 1860, for example, and a couple of other regional spoil-sports.

From the very beginning we had the Federalists vs the anti-Federalists.  And since then, we have gone through about 5 different reincarnations of the party system.  We would see splits, merges, and morphs.  Sometimes you would have more than two but they never stayed apart for too long.  It has always been Conservative vs Liberal.  The two parties were always bitterly fighting each other but they kept the Founding Documents primary and found a way to compromise for the best of this nation.  It wasn’t until Wilson that Socialism, newly arrived from Europe started to infect our party system.  And that’s when it started becoming selfish.

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6 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

How is it that instead of this man, we have a narcissistic caricature like Trump in the Whitehouse?

Because the narcissistic caricature known as Dreyfuss only has knowledge.  He wouldn’t be suited for the office.

 

Dreyfuss brings up a paramount point for all Im concerned; being that its not the flow of immigrants that's destroying America(n identity),

But it is.  It isn’t the only thing but too many immigrants and illegals coming into this nation (or any nation) destroys its borders, language, and culture.  Those are the things that define a nation.  On top of that, illegals bring poverty, disease, and crime.  The duty of the immigrant is assimilation and building trust.  If a person’s first act in this nation is breaking the law, how can that person be trusted to abide by the law?  The next offense will just be easier to transgress.

 

but the increasing hollowing out, disembowelment of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, is. Of which the recent anti immigrant laws (ironically), and socalled 'Patriot Acts', are shining examples.

Wow!  That’s a convoluted mouthful.  When the President is following the laws (in this case Title 8, Chapter 12, US Code 1182(f)) of the land to protect the citizens of this nation, it is Constitutional.  So I don’t see where that is disembowelment of the Constitution.  The Patriot act is something different.  The original concept was very constitutional but it is an example of legislation gone amok.  Today, it does not resemble its original concept.  The Obama Admin had wanted to use it to attack Conservative opponents.

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Just now, RavenHawk said:

Because the narcissistic caricature known as Dreyfuss only has knowledge.  He wouldn’t be suited for the office.

:lol: so many jokes as it pertains to the absence of knowledge currently residing at 1600 Penn. 

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