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Why Trump chose Saudi Arabia as first Visit


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President Trump just announced that Saudi Arabia will be the first foreign country he visits as president, underscoring both the success of Saudi outreach to the new administration, and the determination of this President to recommit to the strategic alliance providing stability in an unstable region. The symbolism of this is exceptionally important, illustrating that the Trump administration understands the fundamental issues at play in the Middle East today.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/05/why-trump-chose-saudi-arabia-as-his-first-foreign-visit.html

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31 minutes ago, Amy01 said:

underscoring both the success of Saudi outreach to the new administration, and the determination of this President to recommit to the strategic alliance providing stability in an unstable region.

Can even Fox news say these things with a straight face? The world's leading terrorist nation " providing stability in an unstable region."? 

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58 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Can even Fox news say these things with a straight face? The world's leading terrorist nation " providing stability in an unstable region."? 

Forget about FOX. More than any other American president, Trump had attacked Saudi Arabia before and during the election. Even saying that Saudi Arabia was responsible for the world trade centre attack. Now SA gets an upgrade in relations. Go figure.

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1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Forget about FOX. More than any other American president, Trump had attacked Saudi Arabia before and during the election. Even saying that Saudi Arabia was responsible for the world trade centre attack. Now SA gets an upgrade in relations. Go figure.

Yup,he's obviously been given a "briefing" about just what a Trustworthy and Valued Ally the Kingdom is. 

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Possibly.  Or maybe he understands that the Kingdom has an inordinate amount of sway in the global economy and he doesn't want to p*** off the bankers.  Seriously, understanding that S.A. is truly evil and being able to demand they change are two entirely separate issues.  Maybe we should bomb them?  Cut off all business ties and watch the price of fuel skyrocket for years?  Maybe we could arrange a nice clean coup?  It would create an instant power vacuum that Iran would happily fill, with the added bonus of getting to watch the swordsman cheerfully smiting the necks of the House of Saud.  JOY!  Some problems simply have no viable solutions and griping and beetching may feel good but it adds nothing to the discourse.  The day may come when S.A. has to be dealt with the same as Fatboy Kim, but it won't be an easy win or necessarily a positive outcome for the world, short term.

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1 minute ago, and then said:

The day may come when S.A. has to be dealt with the same as Fatboy Kim, but it won't be an easy win or necessarily a positive outcome for the world, short term.

Keep an eye on them, but I agree. SA is a loooonnnnggg game that we aren't ready to finish yet. Focus on one totalitarian regime at a time.

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1 hour ago, and then said:

Possibly.  Or maybe he understands that the Kingdom has an inordinate amount of sway in the global economy and he doesn't want to p*** off the bankers.  Seriously, understanding that S.A. is truly evil and being able to demand they change are two entirely separate issues.

Oh I agree. I think one thing he has shown he's capable of doing is being sensible when it comes to the need to placate the powerful interests. Not to mention that antagonizing yet another country, however moble the intentions may be (assuming for now that he does have any noble intentions) would be a very daft thing to do.

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3 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Oh I agree. I think one thing he has shown he's capable of doing is being sensible when it comes to the need to placate the powerful interests.

Yes, as any thoughtful leader must be.  The fact that he isn't raising hell and spewing venom at them (today) doesn't necessarily mean he's BFF's either.  It might surprise you to know that I believe he is going to sandbag Israel in a major way in the coming weeks or months.  The temptation to do the greatest deal of all time will be too great for him to restrain himself.  It's really going to be fascinating to watch.  

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8 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Well it seems the mystery as to why Trump choose Saudi Arabia as his first overseas foreign trip as POTUS has been solved...

 

40 billion for INVESTMENT in the US.  An den?  An what?

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8 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Well it seems the mystery as to why Trump choose Saudi Arabia as his first overseas foreign trip as POTUS has been solved...

in his back pocket?

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Look how delighted he is! 

Saudi Arabia's Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and U.S. President Donald Trump on 14 March, 2017 [Kevin Lamarque/Reuters]

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On 5/11/2017 at 11:01 AM, Dark_Grey said:

Keep an eye on them, but I agree. SA is a loooonnnnggg game that we aren't ready to finish yet. Focus on one totalitarian regime at a time.

They seem a little like the Mafia.  They have a lot of money from a source they wish to diversify.  Are they going to spend it on influence and terrorism?  

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On 5/11/2017 at 4:13 PM, and then said:

Yes, as any thoughtful leader must be.  The fact that he isn't raising hell and spewing venom at them (today) doesn't necessarily mean he's BFF's either.  It might surprise you to know that I believe he is going to sandbag Israel in a major way in the coming weeks or months.  The temptation to do the greatest deal of all time will be too great for him to restrain himself.  It's really going to be fascinating to watch.  

Thats a pretty good insight and food for thought.

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On another note, this is a rather intriguing sub-headline: 

Saudi cleric: Trump a servant of Allah :unsure: 

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26 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

in his back pocket?

No doubt Trump will spin this investment many times over after he leaves the White House. Its a paltry sum in the big picture. Look at China. Its raising from its own funds of 650 billion in investments. 

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The three places he is visiting is Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the Vatican, no?  I just assumed he was hitting the holy sites of the three major religions.

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I hadn't noticed he had the Vatican on his itinerary.  You may well be correct.  There are still rumors that he's going to announce an embassy move to J'lem.  Ain't happening.  Bibi needs to get ready for some strong arm tactics.  Seems that US presidents just can't resist the appeal of doing what others have found to be impossible.  It only ever causes more bloodshed.  

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On ‎5‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 1:59 PM, and then said:

Possibly.  Or maybe he understands that the Kingdom has an inordinate amount of sway in the global economy and he doesn't want to p*** off the bankers.  Seriously, understanding that S.A. is truly evil and being able to demand they change are two entirely separate issues.  Maybe we should bomb them?  Cut off all business ties and watch the price of fuel skyrocket for years?  Maybe we could arrange a nice clean coup?  It would create an instant power vacuum that Iran would happily fill, with the added bonus of getting to watch the swordsman cheerfully smiting the necks of the House of Saud.  JOY!  Some problems simply have no viable solutions and griping and beetching may feel good but it adds nothing to the discourse.  The day may come when S.A. has to be dealt with the same as Fatboy Kim, but it won't be an easy win or necessarily a positive outcome for the world, short term.

They are also crucial in heading off Iran in that area of the world.  Pick your poison, Iran or SA.  At least SA has agreed to cooperate and possibly ally with Israel rather than threatening to blow them up with nuclear weapons.

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On 2017-05-16 at 1:18 PM, Merc14 said:

They are also crucial in heading off Iran in that area of the world.  Pick your poison, Iran or SA.  At least SA has agreed to cooperate and possibly ally with Israel rather than threatening to blow them up with nuclear weapons.

If you consider that SA is sponsoring ISIS, this is the kind of stuff that make you want to vomit. The mullahs of Iran may be working on a bomb (but which they don't have) at least they aren't behind the spread of salafism, that ultra-fundamentalist ideology behind all those jihadist groups threatening the West.

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1 hour ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

If you consider that SA is sponsoring ISIS, this is the kind of stuff that make you want to vomit. The mullahs of Iran may be working on a bomb (but which they don't have) at least they aren't behind the spread of salafism, that ultra-fundamentalist ideology behind all those jihadist groups threatening the West.

Iran is sponsoring ISIS.  The Saudi government has far more to fear from ISIS than the US.  Any sponsoring of ISIS is underground and maybe a deal has been made to eradicate those funding channels.

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40 billion investment in the US.

Where does it say that Trump gets the cash?

Do you really think he needs the money personally?

What, no b****ing about the 110 billion arms deal? Gee, it would be terrible if American workers benefited.  :rolleyes:

 

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2 hours ago, Merc14 said:

Iran is sponsoring ISIS.  

Utter nonsense. Are you joking?

Iran has absolutely nothing to gain by pitting groups like ISIS against it's own regional assets (Assad or the Shi'a gov in Baghdad).

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The Saudi government has far more to fear from ISIS than the US.

The islamic doctrine of Wahhabism from Saudi Arabia is very similar - in fact identical - to what ISIS or al-Qaeda profess. That's undeniable. They may now fear the monsters they have taken a part in creating, but can hardly deny where the ideological roots of these extremist groups originate. Also, SA is clearly benefiting from any damage those jihadists inflict on Shia assets.

[LINK] What is Wahhabism? The reactionary branch of Islam from Saudi Arabia said to be 'the main source of global terrorism'

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it's well known that Merc has his own... particular way of looking at things, and this could best be described as ... individual. :unsure: 

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From an RT reporter's twitter feed, someone tell me what's going on here before I wrap my head in tin foil :unsure2:

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