AnchorSteam Posted May 24, 2017 #1 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Oh.... wow, has this ever been done before? Not according to these guys- Quote That’s because although it’s required to by law, the DoD has never had an audit, something every American person, every company and every other government agency is subject to. The result is an astounding $10tn in taxpayer money that has gone unaccounted for since 1996. “Over the last 20 years, the Pentagon has broken every promise to Congress about when an audit would be completed,” the director of the Audit the Pentagoncoalition, Rafael DeGennaro, told the Guardian. “Meanwhile, Congress has more than doubled the Pentagon’s budget.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/20/pentagon-never-audited-astonishing-military-spending Quote The Trump administration is pledging to audit the Department of Defense for the first time in its history while simultaneously demanding a record spending increase. Can it do both? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/pentagon-trump-audit-first-time/526932/ So since only Trump stories dominate this board... why is this amazing little item getting no love? Too positive? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted May 24, 2017 #2 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The deep goverment so to speak will kill Trump long before an audit happens. Same as an audit on the Fedral reserve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted May 24, 2017 Author #3 Share Posted May 24, 2017 9 hours ago, The Silver Thong said: The deep goverment so to speak will kill Trump long before an audit happens. Same as an audit on the Fedral reserve. I dunno, people have been saying Trump will be killed by the establishment for almost a year now. But if they give him the JFK treatment, then how will they even be able to pretend to have a representative form of Govt anymore? I know, I know, half the people in the country don't even care about the Democratic process anymore... just as long as they get a skinny little check in the mail, or for even more of them - if they can see a news story once a day that shows how the Govt is sticking it to people they personally despise... they can be fat dumb & happy. However, if I had to rely on people like that, I'd have to acknowledge that a power base like that is about as stable as quick-sand, and about as helpful in a real crisis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted May 26, 2017 #4 Share Posted May 26, 2017 What they will find, if done correctly, is a black operation bent on murdering their own, citizens who are deemed enemies of the state, but who have never been charged or convicted, because an attempt to do so would reveal secrets that would cause the people to believe in a new power on earth, far greater than theirs. Unfortunately, CONTACT WITH THE POWER OF HEAVEN is like touching the Solar Disk. Crippled and blind, the state is now condemned for attempting to harm a Son of Thunder. Awaken Cascadia .... and flood the enemy with the real Snowden and Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 26, 2017 #5 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 11:27 PM, AnchorSteam said: Oh.... wow, has this ever been done before? Not according to these guys- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/20/pentagon-never-audited-astonishing-military-spending https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/pentagon-trump-audit-first-time/526932/ So since only Trump stories dominate this board... why is this amazing little item getting no love? Too positive? I'll give it some love. I don't know if it'll change anything...I don't know how much it can mean when we're spending more money than ever. Too positive...to be believed, perhaps. But I'll still give it some love just for having the appearance of being something good for the country for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted May 26, 2017 #6 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/24/2017 at 0:44 PM, AnchorSteam said: I dunno, people have been saying Trump will be killed by the establishment for almost a year now. But if they give him the JFK treatment, then how will they even be able to pretend to have a representative form of Govt anymore? That's a good question but I'll raise you. Because how can you or they do that now? This is post-1963. You want to see me jump to Trump's defense at breakneck speeds? Show me a govt or non-govt conspiracy to assassinate him. Just like war and a lot of other things, there's a Constitutional process for replacing a President. And like people who start wars illegally, people who kill illegally should have no power over any of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 27, 2017 #7 Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 24 May 2017 at 4:47 PM, The Silver Thong said: The deep goverment so to speak will kill Trump long before an audit happens. Same as an audit on the Fedral reserve. I was thinking the same thing. 10 trillion has gone somewhere. prolly funding for black projects and shadowy agenda's. Don't dig too deep Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Silver Thong Posted May 27, 2017 #8 Share Posted May 27, 2017 20 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: I was thinking the same thing. 10 trillion has gone somewhere. prolly funding for black projects and shadowy agenda's. Don't dig too deep Trump. Look what happened to JFK when he didn`t listen the real big boys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 27, 2017 #9 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Just now, The Silver Thong said: Look what happened to JFK when he didn`t listen the real big boys. I hear ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted May 27, 2017 Author #10 Share Posted May 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Yamato said: That's a good question but I'll raise you. Because how can you or they do that now? This is post-1963. Which means that is that is the past, its already 54 years gone. But it isn't post-2017 yet. You dig? 1 hour ago, Yamato said: You want to see me jump to Trump's defense at breakneck speeds? Show me a govt or non-govt conspiracy to assassinate him. ... Oh come on, what do I look like, a wizard with a crystal ball? The next Seth Rich? Here, instead of working backwards, how about working forwards? This is something that can only be pulled off in secret, the backers won't touch it unless they are sure they can get away with it, anonymously. How about an exercise in pre-crime? Why don't we sit down and figure out ahead of time who might put this together. You know, desire + means + access to great rewards if successful. If there are already threads about this all over the internet, the 20-30% of the conspirators that we get right will be terrified... and an assassination could be prevented simply by shining the light on the bad guys ahead of time. No, it isn't intimidation, they will get to laugh it off and so will most everyone else. But only so long as it never happens. Hmmm... I'm having second thoughts already, lots of ephemeral issues, but I am still going to post this. But as for a thread... I'm not even sure where it should be put. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted May 27, 2017 #11 Share Posted May 27, 2017 This screams diversion tactic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Caspian Hare Posted May 27, 2017 #12 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Audit won't do much, the problem is the corrupting influence of so much money. Departments, politicians and companies are motivated to get as much as possible. Factories are placed in the districts of important congressmen so that equipment gets bought even if the military doesn't want it. Then there are the flag officers leave service to work for defense contractors using their influence to get contracts. Many problems exist, the federal budget is basically like a rotten whale carcass in a shark feeding frenzy and everyone wants a piece. Thi sis the military-industrial complex that General Eisenhower warned of (to that you can add IT these days) This clip is a pretty good overview of the situation (the full interview is good too) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 27, 2017 #13 Share Posted May 27, 2017 On 5/23/2017 at 8:27 PM, AnchorSteam said: Quote That’s because although it’s required to by law, the DoD has never had an audit, something every American person, every company and every other government agency is subject to. The result is an astounding $10tn in taxpayer money that has gone unaccounted for since 1996. “Over the last 20 years, the Pentagon has broken every promise to Congress about when an audit would be completed,” the director of the Audit the Pentagoncoalition, Rafael DeGennaro, told the Guardian. “Meanwhile, Congress has more than doubled the Pentagon’s budget.” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/20/pentagon-never-audited-astonishing-military-spending I'd agree the budget for "Defense" over the last 20 years has doubled. However it is still approximately the same percentage of the budget... around 17%.to 20%. Also.... 10 Trillion dollars missing? Over 20 years, that would be about 500 billion a year, right? But, the total of those 20 years, according to my link, is 10.1 trillion. So Mr DeGennaro is saying that ALL money spend on Defense has gone unaccounted for. As someone who was in the military, I can tell you that they account for every bullet and shoelace. The paperwork is extensive, for every facet of the military. What he says is disingenuous and is attempting to make it look like 10 trillion dollar just disappeared. Which it didn't. I do believe that billions here and there do drop into holes and secret projects and failed technology, but overall the money is probably well accounted for. There have been audits of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and they all show TREMENDOUS waste and fraud. Primarily due to the environment in which the money is distributed. The military is probably no different. But I don't see where Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security have been fixed, even when confronted with mountainous amounts of waste and fraud. So, what point is there really to auditing Defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 27, 2017 #14 Share Posted May 27, 2017 One would think that you would do the audit before increasing it's budget. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted May 27, 2017 #15 Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, DieChecker said: I'd agree the budget for "Defense" over the last 20 years has doubled. However it is still approximately the same percentage of the budget... around 17%.to 20%. Also.... 10 Trillion dollars missing? Over 20 years, that would be about 500 billion a year, right? But, the total of those 20 years, according to my link, is 10.1 trillion. So Mr DeGennaro is saying that ALL money spend on Defense has gone unaccounted for. As someone who was in the military, I can tell you that they account for every bullet and shoelace. The paperwork is extensive, for every facet of the military. What he says is disingenuous and is attempting to make it look like 10 trillion dollar just disappeared. Which it didn't. I do believe that billions here and there do drop into holes and secret projects and failed technology, but overall the money is probably well accounted for. There have been audits of Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, and they all show TREMENDOUS waste and fraud. Primarily due to the environment in which the money is distributed. The military is probably no different. But I don't see where Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security have been fixed, even when confronted with mountainous amounts of waste and fraud. So, what point is there really to auditing Defense? Missing, probably not. Not documented properly because the uses it was put to were classified or controversial, no doubt. Edited May 27, 2017 by Hammerclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted May 27, 2017 Author #16 Share Posted May 27, 2017 10 hours ago, DieChecker said: ... So, what point is there really to auditing Defense? You start with the biggest one first, and then work your way down. And, see Hmmerclaw's post above. And, if this is an audit that has never been done, I would say its about damned time, just on general principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted May 28, 2017 #17 Share Posted May 28, 2017 No one would dare tell the full truth about how much money is wasted. The only kind of accountant capable of revealing the truth, is one who can write the amount upon their foreheads. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted May 28, 2017 Author #18 Share Posted May 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said: No one would dare tell the full truth about how much money is wasted. ... Because they are afraid? Then we have to make the more afraid, of us! Sigh..... what is WRONG with you people? Are you really the Sheep that the elitists take you for? Is slavery the only thing that the masses are good for, once again? Was the last 300 years, the Age of Enlightenment, the struggles of the 20th century and your own hopes and dreams.... all for nothing? I certainly get that impression. And the more I see things like this, the more glad I am that I am no longer young. Know what I mean? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted May 30, 2017 #19 Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 10:03 PM, AnchorSteam said: Because they are afraid? Then we have to make the more afraid, of us! Sigh..... what is WRONG with you people? Are you really the Sheep that the elitists take you for? Is slavery the only thing that the masses are good for, once again? Was the last 300 years, the Age of Enlightenment, the struggles of the 20th century and your own hopes and dreams.... all for nothing? I certainly get that impression. And the more I see things like this, the more glad I am that I am no longer young. Know what I mean? I have seen Washington D.C. deserted and empty, her monuments overgrown. There will be no resurrection of that place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted May 30, 2017 #20 Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Raptor Witness said: I have seen Washington D.C. deserted and empty, her monuments overgrown. There will be no resurrection of that place. Yeah, I saw that movie too. Planet of the Apes? Not sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnchorSteam Posted May 31, 2017 Author #21 Share Posted May 31, 2017 22 hours ago, Likely Guy said: Yeah, I saw that movie too. Planet of the Apes? Not sure. Logan's Run. Washington turned out to be the best place in the world to find some doddering old fart who had no clear idea of what was happening anywhere else in the world. The more things change, the more they stay the same.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted June 1, 2017 #22 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Edited June 1, 2017 by Raptor Witness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted June 2, 2017 #23 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Well sure it should be audited and the results made public. ever notice how it's all called DEFENCE ? And there are only DEFENCE contractors. As if we have never made an Offensive move. It's called conditioning I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted June 5, 2017 #24 Share Posted June 5, 2017 On 6/2/2017 at 7:55 PM, lightly said: Well sure it should be audited and the results made public. ever notice how it's all called DEFENCE ? And there are only DEFENCE contractors. As if we have never made an Offensive move. It's called conditioning I think. Defense wins championships!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted June 6, 2017 #25 Share Posted June 6, 2017 On 5/27/2017 at 6:58 AM, The Russian Hare said: Audit won't do much, the problem is the corrupting influence of so much money. Departments, politicians and companies are motivated to get as much as possible. If that's true then GDP shouldn't be a mandate of the government. The media should report that "the GDP this quarter is 0%", and the government's response should be "Yep and we had nothing to do with it." and it be true. What would happen to us if we were left to the forces of the market? We'd lose the zero tolerance of government, the maximum costs from government, our prices would come down and in some cases way, way down. But some people would fall through the cracks of the marketplace. Ain't no free lunch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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