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14 minutes ago, aztek said:

neither will liberals, they have no problem with strangers come into your home, but when it comes to their homes , they are no different. libs will be first ones to call cops if they see a black man walking in their hood.

But.... Their not racist... Just they don't want people like "that" in their neighborhood.

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Just now, DieChecker said:

But.... Their not racist... Just they don't want people like "that" in their neighborhood.

of course not,  they do not want anyone besides people like them, they are the biggest racists, and bigots. 

remember shooting on the bridge after Kathrina? it was those rich liberals that had cops shoot people crossing the bridge, so thousands of blacks would not go thru their hood. and judging by what happened inside the dome, i can't blame them

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Let's try to get back on topic again folks... An interesting thing to note is that it's not just cuts here in the U.S... Trump is also planning on cutting 1.9 billion in forgien aid food as well:

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When U.S. Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) first came to Congress four years ago, he wanted “to get rid of foreign aid.” Since then, he said during a Wednesday hearing in Washington, he’s had a change of heart.

“I know a lot of people might want to take a hatchet to foreign aid and say we’re not doing a good job,” Yoho continued. “But what I’ve learned is what [Secretary of Defense] General [James] Mattis said: If you cut foreign aid, buy more ammunition ‘cause you’re gonna need it.”

Yoho’s remarks came during a House agriculture committee hearing centered on U.S. foreign food aid programs, a particularly timely topic given that President Donald Trump’s spending plan proposes eliminating all funding for two key food aid programs — Food for Peace and the McGovern-Dole International Food for Education and Child Nutrition Program.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/international-food-aid-budget-cuts_us_59386f84e4b0c5a35c9bad9a

And of course when any president does anything, there are the approval polls that come out about it:

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A majority of the public approves of the Republican plan to cut Medicaid spending while handing greater control of the health care program to states, the latest IBD/TIPP poll finds. It also found overwhelming support for President Trump's call to impose work requirements on able-bodied food-stamp recipients, and strong support for tax cuts.

President Trump's approval rating, however, slipped to 37% from last month's 39%.

The nationwide poll was conducted from May 30 through June 6, and includes 903 adults surveyed by live interviewers using cellphones and landlines. It has a margin of error of +/-3.3 percentage points.

http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-poll/public-backs-gop-plans-to-cut-medicaid-food-stamps-and-taxes-ibd-tipp-poll/

 

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Just now, rashore said:

.. Trump is also planning on cutting 1.9 billion in forgien aid food as well:

 

good, another bottomless pit of corruption that we pay for.

For almost half a century the countries of Africa have been awash in aid. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been given to African governments. More billions were lent to these same governments. Countless tons of food have inundated the continent, and swarms of consultants, experts, and administrators have descended to solve Africa’s problems. Yet the state of development in Africa is no better today than it was when all this started. Per capita income, for most of Africa, is either stagnant or declining.

https://fee.org/articles/the-sorry-record-of-foreign-aid-in-africa/

not to mention it is pretty commonly know fact, food gets captured by warlords, they control the food not UN.

 

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5 minutes ago, aztek said:

good, another bottomless pit of corruption that we pay for.

For almost half a century the countries of Africa have been awash in aid. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been given to African governments. More billions were lent to these same governments. Countless tons of food have inundated the continent, and swarms of consultants, experts, and administrators have descended to solve Africa’s problems. Yet the state of development in Africa is no better today than it was when all this started. Per capita income, for most of Africa, is either stagnant or declining.

https://fee.org/articles/the-sorry-record-of-foreign-aid-in-africa/

not to mention it is pretty commonly know fact, food gets captured by warlords, they control the food not UN.

 

Ah, but the resources that the world gets by exploiting Africa,  The food bribes help maintain this status quo.  You don't want to rock the boat do you? 

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Just now, Gromdor said:

Ah, but the resources that the world gets by exploiting Africa,  The food bribes help maintain this status quo.  You don't want to rock the boat do you? 

i actually want to flip it over,

what resources are you talking about ? diamonds? i could not care less about de beers, 

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3 minutes ago, aztek said:

good, another bottomless pit of corruption that we pay for.

For almost half a century the countries of Africa have been awash in aid. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been given to African governments. More billions were lent to these same governments. Countless tons of food have inundated the continent, and swarms of consultants, experts, and administrators have descended to solve Africa’s problems. Yet the state of development in Africa is no better today than it was when all this started. Per capita income, for most of Africa, is either stagnant or declining.

https://fee.org/articles/the-sorry-record-of-foreign-aid-in-africa/

not to mention it is pretty commonly know fact, food gets captured by warlords, they control the food not UN.

 

The 1.9 bil isn't just for Africa- there are other countries around the world that are also receiving aid from the programs.

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Just now, rashore said:

The 1.9 bil isn't just for Africa- there are other countries around the world that are also receiving aid from the programs.

yea, and situation is no different in those countries. 

NPR and ProPublica went in search of the nearly $500 million and found a string of poorly managed projects, questionable spending and dubious claims of success, according to a review of hundreds of pages of the charity's internal documents and emails, as well as interviews with a dozen current and former officials. The Red Cross says it has provided homes to more than 130,000 people, but the number of permanent homes the charity has built is six.

The organization, which in 2010 had a $100 million deficit, out-raised other charities by hundreds of millions of dollars — and kept raising money well after it had enough for its emergency relief. But where exactly did that money go?

Ask a lot of Haitians — even the country's former prime minister — and they will tell you they don't have any idea.

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/03/411524156/in-search-of-the-red-cross-500-million-in-haiti-relief

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10 minutes ago, aztek said:

i actually want to flip it over,

what resources are you talking about ? diamonds? i could not care less about de beers, 

Diamonds, salt, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, petroleum and cocoa beans, but also woods and tropical fruits.  It's a whole continent bigger than North America, after all.  You think multi-nationals would walk away from an undeveloped area like that with corrupt/easily bribable warlords? 

Diamonds are meh, but chocolate on the other hand.......

 

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Just now, Gromdor said:

Diamonds, salt, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, petroleum and cocoa beans, but also woods and tropical fruits.  It's a whole continent bigger than North America, after all.  You think multi-nationals would walk away from an undeveloped area like that with corrupt/easily bribable warlords? 

Diamonds are meh, but chocolate on the other hand.......

 

by multinational you mean corporation? you mean they use our aid money to corrupt officials? well, they will have to do it with their own money.

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1 hour ago, aztek said:

by multinational you mean corporation? you mean they use our aid money to corrupt officials? well, they will have to do it with their own money.

That's not very profitable.  Cheaper to pay a lobbyist to help "steer" the food aid money in the right direction.   If they can't do it with tax money, they will just do it with "charities".

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Just now, Gromdor said:

That's not very profitable.  Cheaper to pay a lobbyist to help "steer" the food aid money in the right direction.   If they can't do it with tax money, they will just do it with "charities".

i still do not see how aid money have anything to do with corporations,  and if it used for corruption, more reasons to cut the funds. 

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The one that would never be cut is Israel's military aid :hmm:

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8 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Diamonds, salt, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, petroleum and cocoa beans, but also woods and tropical fruits.  It's a whole continent bigger than North America, after all.  You think multi-nationals would walk away from an undeveloped area like that with corrupt/easily bribable warlords? 

Diamonds are meh, but chocolate on the other hand.......

 

The Ivory Coast produces about half of the cocoa beans in the world market.

They also are not on the list of recipients of straight-out U.S. aid, though they do get help from the US in terms of modernization, techniques and farming.

So this wont affect that. What else ya got?

Harte

 

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In response to the OP:

My insight from inside the medical industry:

There are people who are genuinely sick and needy, I have no problem with them receiving assistance.

However.......

Medicaid abuse is real, and the process to hold people accountable is convoluted and tedious, at best.  In NY, our doctors have to initiate the process of reporting...and none of them have time to do that with the patient loads they typically handle.

For example, there are 'frequent fliers' that have amassed upwards of 80 ER visits JUST THIS YEAR, at the hospital I work at....they are unemployed, and generally never pay for any of the medical amenities they absorb.

We all pay for that.

I can't even imagine how much money is leached out of the tax-paying American public every year because there is no accountability for these people, while people who work and pay for insurance can't afford to see a specialist when they need one because of the co-pays.

I think there's needs to be better oversight on these people who abuse the ED and system in general, and we need to find another way to take care of people that isn't inherently unfair to everybody else.

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On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 6:40 PM, Harte said:

The Ivory Coast produces about half of the cocoa beans in the world market.

They also are not on the list of recipients of straight-out U.S. aid, though they do get help from the US in terms of modernization, techniques and farming.

So this wont affect that. What else ya got?

Harte

 

Huh?  We pay for a quarter of their UN peacekeeping funding, economic support funding, and even $85 million in anti-aids funding.  We would do more but they are under economic aid restrictions because of the coup they had in 1999. 

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Who pays their own UN Peacekeeping funding?

Half the members are in arrears on their membership fees alone.

Look again at the types of aid under consideration for cuts.

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On 13 June 2017 at 11:47 AM, Harte said:

Who pays their own UN Peacekeeping funding?

Half the members are in arrears on their membership fees alone.

Look again at the types of aid under consideration for cuts.

Harte

America has been the biggest beneficiary of UN decisions. It has served the U.S. well as a object of legitimacy and leadership. You'll all regret the day when it moves to China...

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On 6/12/2017 at 11:07 AM, MamaMia1981 said:

In response to the OP:

My insight from inside the medical industry:

There are people who are genuinely sick and needy, I have no problem with them receiving assistance.

However.......

Medicaid abuse is real, and the process to hold people accountable is convoluted and tedious, at best.  In NY, our doctors have to initiate the process of reporting...and none of them have time to do that with the patient loads they typically handle.

For example, there are 'frequent fliers' that have amassed upwards of 80 ER visits JUST THIS YEAR, at the hospital I work at....they are unemployed, and generally never pay for any of the medical amenities they absorb.

We all pay for that.

I can't even imagine how much money is leached out of the tax-paying American public every year because there is no accountability for these people, while people who work and pay for insurance can't afford to see a specialist when they need one because of the co-pays.

I think there's needs to be better oversight on these people who abuse the ED and system in general, and we need to find another way to take care of people that isn't inherently unfair to everybody else.

Most of the people that go to the ER for things like "the kids have lice" or "I have the flu" or similar complaints are the ones who can't get health insurance. Without the ER they would have no health care. I'm sure that the people who have insurance do use it when they go to the ER. If Medicaid or other affordable insurance was available those visits wouldn't be necessary, they would go to the dr. They can't afford to pay $130.00 just to sit in a dr.s  waiting room, then the price of unknown lab work the dr. makes up, then the prescriptions. If they could they would be able to afford insurance.

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2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

America has been the biggest beneficiary of UN decisions. It has served the U.S. well as a object of legitimacy and leadership. You'll all regret the day when it moves to China...

Perhaps, but really who's going to vote for that? France? UK? Russia?

One vote isn't going to make it happen, and even if 150 other nations vote in favor, all it takes is the US, or UK, or France to veto and it is over.

Is there a scenario where the UN moves to China actually occurs?

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On 14 June 2017 at 3:26 PM, DieChecker said:

Perhaps, but really who's going to vote for that? France? UK? Russia?

One vote isn't going to make it happen, and even if 150 other nations vote in favor, all it takes is the US, or UK, or France to veto and it is over.

Is there a scenario where the UN moves to China actually occurs?

Here you'all constantly bag the UN, but at the same time resent the fact that it could one leave the U.S. If Trump gets re-elected the i bet it would be a viable move. 

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The same UN that put Saudi Arabia in charge of human/women's rights? Lol that place is as ass backwards as you can get. 

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On 6/15/2017 at 2:59 AM, Captain Risky said:

Here you'all constantly bag the UN, but at the same time resent the fact that it could one leave the U.S. If Trump gets re-elected the i bet it would be a viable move. 

Regardless of where the UN is situated... Brussels perhaps? It simply is still going to be dominated by the Five Permanent Members who have Veto powers.

I bag on the UN because it often makes decisions based on Politics rather then what would be Best. 

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