Dark_Grey Posted May 24, 2017 #1 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Bloomberg Trump to Pitch Deep Cuts to Anti-Poverty Programs, Medicaid Quote President Donald Trump plans to propose $1.7 trillion in cuts to a category of spending that includes major social and entitlement programs for lower-income Americans, as part of an effort to balance the budget within a decade. The White House will issue a formal budget request Tuesday that includes $274 billion in cuts over 10 years to means-tested anti-poverty programs, including food stamps, according to a Republican congressional aide and a White House document obtained by Bloomberg News. Quote Trump is proposing to cut $193 billion from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, commonly known as food stamps, over the next decade. The cuts, which would amount to an approximate 25 percent reduction, would be achieved in part by limiting eligibility for food stamps and by requiring work, according to the document. Quote Spending on the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit would also be reduced by $40 billion, in part by requiring proof that recipients are authorized to work in the U.S. Traditional welfare payments, known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, would be cut by $21 billion. Not sure how requiring the proper documentation is going to reduce costs by billions...are the numbers based on a projection of recipients that won't be eligible anymore? Quote The administration has prepared talking points for Republicans on Capitol Hill touting that the “budget strives to replace dependency with the dignity of work through welfare reform efforts.” I am of two minds on this one. I completely understand the need for welfare and child tax credits, having been dependent on them when I was a young buck with parents going through financial hard times. That being said, we ALL know at least 1 person who is proud to sit around and soak up tax dollars. It sounds like accountability is at the core of these budget cuts. Accountability that should have been in place from day one. Can't prove that you are trying to find work? I guess you didn't need those food stamps after all. Looking forward to that income tax credit while trying to dodge deportation? The income tax credit isn't meant for you amigo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keel M. Posted May 24, 2017 #2 Share Posted May 24, 2017 49 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: That being said, we ALL know at least 1 person who is proud to sit around and soak up tax dollars. Nope, I can't say I know anyone who is proud to sit around and soak up tax dollars. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted May 24, 2017 #3 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The Texas food stamp program is already so limited I don't see a big change here anyway. I think people who qualify can only get SNAP for a total of 3 months out of 3 years. There also is a strict work requirement. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted May 24, 2017 #4 Share Posted May 24, 2017 44 minutes ago, Nonentity said: Nope, I can't say I know anyone who is proud to sit around and soak up tax dollars. That's alright, I know several. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 24, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted May 24, 2017 48 minutes ago, Nonentity said: Nope, I can't say I know anyone who is proud to sit around and soak up tax dollars. I've known many. You don't live in a gated community by chance, do you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 24, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted May 24, 2017 37 minutes ago, .ZZ. said: The Texas food stamp program is already so limited I don't see a big change here anyway. I think people who qualify can only get SNAP for a total of 3 months out of 3 years. There also is a strict work requirement. Does that differ by state? I'm not too familiar with the guts of the food stamp program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 24, 2017 #7 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) we have entire neighborhoods like that in nyc Edited May 24, 2017 by aztek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted May 24, 2017 #8 Share Posted May 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: Does that differ by state? I'm not too familiar with the guts of the food stamp program It does. I know in Colorado and Michigan it renews every 6 months with no time limits, just as long as they still qualify financially. They used to get $360 per month for a household of 2, but it increases with more dependents. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 24, 2017 Author #9 Share Posted May 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, .ZZ. said: It does. I know in Colorado and Michigan it renews every 6 months with no time limits, just as long as they still qualify financially. They used to get $360 per month for a household of 2, but it increases with more dependents. $360/month to cover groceries for 2 doesn't sound like much. Guess it depends on where you spend it? So to "qualify financially", I imagine you have to prove that you are looking for work? Or does it only depend on how low your income is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted May 24, 2017 #10 Share Posted May 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Dark_Grey said: $360/month to cover groceries for 2 doesn't sound like much. Guess it depends on where you spend it? So to "qualify financially", I imagine you have to prove that you are looking for work? Or does it only depend on how low your income is? No, it's not much, and that is the voice of experience talking. Ages over 60 get preferred treatment too. They must provide bank statements, receipts for pretty much everything, and doctor statements if claiming health issues that could prevent a person from working. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 24, 2017 #11 Share Posted May 24, 2017 it does depend on the state https://otda.ny.gov/programs/snap/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keel M. Posted May 24, 2017 #12 Share Posted May 24, 2017 47 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: I've known many. You don't live in a gated community by chance, do you? Nope. Not once in my life have I ever lived anywhere near a gated community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted May 24, 2017 #13 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Could get interesting if it actually comes to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 24, 2017 Author #14 Share Posted May 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, WoIverine said: Could get interesting if it actually comes to fruition. Expect Ferguson 2.0 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 24, 2017 #15 Share Posted May 24, 2017 block off neighborhood and let them burn their own houses down., 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 25, 2017 #16 Share Posted May 25, 2017 20 hours ago, Dark_Grey said: Bloomberg Trump to Pitch Deep Cuts to Anti-Poverty Programs, Medicaid Not sure how requiring the proper documentation is going to reduce costs by billions...are the numbers based on a projection of recipients that won't be eligible anymore? I am of two minds on this one. I completely understand the need for welfare and child tax credits, having been dependent on them when I was a young buck with parents going through financial hard times. That being said, we ALL know at least 1 person who is proud to sit around and soak up tax dollars. It sounds like accountability is at the core of these budget cuts. Accountability that should have been in place from day one. Can't prove that you are trying to find work? I guess you didn't need those food stamps after all. Looking forward to that income tax credit while trying to dodge deportation? The income tax credit isn't meant for you amigo. Meh. This is all over ten years, right? So those numbers.... 1.7 trillion, 274 billion (foodstamps), 193 billion (supplemental aid), 40 billion (tax credits)... all need to be divided by 10 and then compared to current budgets. Medicaid (800 billion over 10 years) alone is supposedly having 36 billion in fraud each year, out of almost 400 billion a year. Fixing that would be half of the (Medicaid) cuts right there. AND... The reason given for dropping these rates of spending, is because the tax rates are supposedly going to go down. I know... I know... It is the poor who profit most off these government plans, and it is the poor who don't have money to pay for it. I do agree with making a universal Work requirement though. I've always thought that those who are on government aid, if they are not working already should be forced to work for the government (for free), in order to give something back, instead of only taking. Nothing "demeaning", just stuff that they would otherwise hire low wage workers to do... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 25, 2017 #17 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) As to people who live off government aid. In Europe where such aid is much greater, the unemployment rates are also much greater. I know correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, but the two do seem to fit together like a lock and key. Like getting a teenager off drugs... It is super hard at first, but after a while, the person will be better off for it. If people are forced to work, or starve, they will work. Edited May 25, 2017 by DieChecker 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted May 25, 2017 #18 Share Posted May 25, 2017 19 hours ago, Bama13 said: That's alright, I know several. Golly, wonder who they voted for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 25, 2017 #19 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The farmers here in Iowa are up in arms about the potential cuts in the Farm Bureau namely in crop insurance and crop subsidies. To give a little background- Farmers get paid to plant (or not plant) certain crops in the form of crop subsidies and get paid crop insurance if their crops fails or gets destroyed. Yes, it is a bit socialistic but the farmers are almost all universally republican so it's accepted. It's also needed to stabilize food prices and insure that farmers just don't all up and go bankrupt leaving everyone to starve. Milk would be upwards of $7 a gallon for example without the subsidies. But as my Senator Charles Grassley (R) bluntly said, " Don't worry Trump can suggest a budget, but congress is the one that makes it." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 25, 2017 #20 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) good point food stamps cuts hurt farmers as well. Edited May 25, 2017 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 25, 2017 Author #21 Share Posted May 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, Gromdor said: The farmers here in Iowa are up in arms about the potential cuts in the Farm Bureau namely in crop insurance and crop subsidies. To give a little background- Farmers get paid to plant (or not plant) certain crops in the form of crop subsidies and get paid crop insurance if their crops fails or gets destroyed. Yes, it is a bit socialistic but the farmers are almost all universally republican so it's accepted. It's also needed to stabilize food prices and insure that farmers just don't all up and go bankrupt leaving everyone to starve. Milk would be upwards of $7 a gallon for example without the subsidies. But as my Senator Charles Grassley (R) bluntly said, " Don't worry Trump can suggest a budget, but congress is the one that makes it." We would have to read the proposal to know exactly where the cuts will have an effect. Good post btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 25, 2017 #22 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) Just now, Gromdor said: Yes, it is a bit socialistic but the farmers are almost all universally republican so it's accepted. i wonder why that is. Edited May 25, 2017 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 25, 2017 #23 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) Just now, Dark_Grey said: We would have to read the proposal to know exactly where the cuts will have an effect. Good post btw we'll have to pass it to find out what is in there, that is the democratic way. lol Edited May 25, 2017 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted May 25, 2017 Author #24 Share Posted May 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, aztek said: we'll have to pass it to find out what is in there, that is the democratic way. lol lol true that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 25, 2017 #25 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 hours ago, aztek said: i wonder why that is. Personally, I think it is rural vs urban societal views. Something about squeezing people together makes them more liberal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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