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A different sort of Egyptian pyramid idea

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I found this comment after a fringy article about he pyramids - anyone seen this claim before?

Ancient Egypt is much older than is currently accepted. The recent discovery of a comet than exploded over Egypt 28 million years ago allows us to date some of the pyramids to this date. It also allows us to date the recently discovered underwater pyramid in the Azores to this same extreme age. See my article listed under opinion here on Ancient Origins: "Could the Pyramids be 28 Million Years Old?"(Nov. 2013).

http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion/did-ancient-egyptians-know-distance-between-inner-planets-001841?page=0%2C2

Here is the article!

http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2013/11/could-the-pyramids-be-28-million-years-old-2654410.html

Submitted for your edification and amusement.

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Wow, never have I seen an entire article that can be summed up in one word: absurd.

That last bit even rhymes. How clever of me.

Evidently the author lacks even a basic understanding of human evolution. Only Harte is that old. I'll let others weigh in, and perhaps some of our fringy crowd will take a liking to the idea. But it seems to me, at its core, just another made-up piece of falderal that is supposed to "change history."

And to answer your question: no, I haven't heard this one before. It's hard to keep up with fringe themes. I think I need a score card.

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Well, I thought I was ready for anything, but when I read that .... pyramids 28 million years old ....     thingo ,   I sputted my tea ! 

Goodness , you build something that lasts that long, you could 'hole up in it ' and ride the continental drift !   

Just as well , when finally the Nile River formed near by , just close enough to be handy  -  it could have ended up going right through the middle of them otherwise   !   

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, back to earth said:

Well, I thought I was ready for anything, but when I read that .... pyramids 28 million years old ....     thingo ,   I sputted my tea ! 

Goodness , you build something that lasts that long, you could 'hole up in it ' and ride the continental drift !   

Just as well , when finally the Nile River formed near by , just close enough to be handy  -  it could have ended up going right through the middle of them otherwise   !   

LOL Good points. I had forgotten but I believe the Nile isn't even nearly that old. And I got a chuckle over the same thing: the pyramids experienced continental drift and moved hundreds of miles north—and yet remained intact for well over 20 million years. Now that's good construction for you!

Now, you enjoy your tea. Sop up the mess. But this article leaves me wondering, what did this bloke put in his tea?

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1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said:

Wow, never have I seen an entire article that can be summed up in one word: absurd.

That last bit even rhymes. How clever of me.

Evidently the author lacks even a basic understanding of human evolution. Only Harte is that old. I'll let others weigh in, and perhaps some of our fringy crowd will take a liking to the idea. But it seems to me, at its core, just another made-up piece of falderal that is supposed to "change history."

And to answer your question: no, I haven't heard this one before. It's hard to keep up with fringe themes. I think I need a score card.

I know.  Right now I'm partial to this one.

 

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LOL Good points. I had forgotten but I believe the Nile isn't even nearly that old. And I got a chuckle over the same thing: the pyramids experienced continental drift and moved hundreds of miles north—and yet remained intact for well over 20 million years. Now that's good construction for you!

Now, you enjoy your tea. Sop up the mess. But this article leaves me wondering, what did this bloke put in his tea?

 

Same,  I assume   ( and it wasnt actually tea   ;)  )  

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Remarkable. Whats more, if you compare the difference in length between my index finger and my middle finger and divide it by 6.24 x 10**32 it is exactly the difference in mass  between a proton and a neutron, which in turn is the same number as there are grains of sand on the beach at Alexandria which proves that not only did the Egyptians know about quantum mechanics but they could predict 28 million years into the future how long my fingers would be.  That means they must also have know about human anatomy and genetics and maybe time travel!  kmt_sesh is there anything your ancestors could not do? Amazing.  

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1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said:

Wow, never have I seen an entire article that can be summed up in one word: absurd.

That last bit even rhymes. How clever of me.

Evidently the author lacks even a basic understanding of human evolution. Only Harte is that old. I'll let others weigh in, and perhaps some of our fringy crowd will take a liking to the idea. But it seems to me, at its core, just another made-up piece of falderal that is supposed to "change history."

And to answer your question: no, I haven't heard this one before. It's hard to keep up with fringe themes. I think I need a score card.

Yes it was deliciously inane.

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Four years of college in the U.S. averages around 50-60k (public) and 180k (private) ... resulting in a huge uneducated population that's ripe for exploitation by the billion dollar 'fringe science' industry. Hurray capitalism. If college were free then the fringe industry's profit would radically shrink and the industry would collapse. But that would be scary 'socialism' ... can't have that. Capitalism manufactures and depends on poorly educated consumers who only know just enough to work routine jobs and shop til they drop.  

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So.... There maybe was a comet... because... desert glass and a pebble. Maybe 28 million years ago.

And... If you draw lines between various impact sites around the world... because all impacts are related... duh... 

The line then MUST be the flight path of said comet....??? What?...

This line then when measured against the mystical underwater pyramid in the Azores....

Allows to figure the amount of movement of the Earth under the line (but then doesn't that invalidate the freaking line itself!!?)...

This adjustment to where things would be 28 million years ago, then allows the line to pass over the pyramids... Therefore pyramids = 28 million years old??? WHAT!!!!

This also means deserts in North Africa, Middle East and Northern India are because of comet.... REALLY!!! Is this LOGICAL!!?

Conclusion: People who are using opioids shouldn't post on the internet.

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6 hours ago, kmt_sesh said:

Wow, never have I seen an entire article that can be summed up in one word: absurd.[/quote]

Lies

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And to answer your question: no, I haven't heard this one before. It's hard to keep up with fringe themes.

Damn lies

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I think I need a score card.

And here come the statistics...

 

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3 hours ago, No Solid Ground said:

Four years of college in the U.S. averages around 50-60k (public) and 180k (private) ... resulting in a huge uneducated population that's ripe for exploitation by the billion dollar 'fringe science' industry. Hurray capitalism. If college were free then the fringe industry's profit would radically shrink and the industry would collapse. But that would be scary 'socialism' ... can't have that. Capitalism manufactures and depends on poorly educated consumers who only know just enough to work routine jobs and shop til they drop.  

The opportunity for education does not mean a person will apply themselves to gain one. MOOG programs offer a vast array of topics one can gain knowledge in for free. Many companies offer tuition reimbursement for employees to further their skills in applicable fields. If one truly wants to learn more about a subject there are free/affordable resources available to do so. A tour of the Oriental Institute museum in Chicago with a notepad and pen will be very edifying and the extremely knowledgeable docents can assist with names of academics in the field who have published peer reviewed papers on the topics. Taking those names to the local library will either provide printable access through jstor or a hardcopy on loan from the library. Many universities offer a low cost access pass to people who live in the area, are not students, but wish access to the university library.

The fringe science money making occurs because many of the proponents offer a well crafted narrative that appeals to an individual and supports their incredulity that "primitive man" was able to accomplish things they themselves cannot.

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Well ... one can say that the limestone blocks itself that makes up the bulk of Giza themselves were probably aged 20 +-5 million years old ~

 

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7 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Well ... one can say that the limestone blocks itself that makes up the bulk of Giza themselves were probably aged 20 +-5 million years old ~

 

Perhaps one of our resident geologists happen to know how old the limestone formations in Pennsylvania's Appalachian range and the piedmont are? Just completed a historic restoration of a farmhouse last week with stone from local quarries. Maybe it was originally millions of years old and not from 1873 like inscribed on the datestone.

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Just now, Jarocal said:

Perhaps one of our resident geologists happen to know how old the limestone formations in Pennsylvania's Appalachian range and the piedmont are? Just completed a historic restoration of a farmhouse last week with stone from local quarries. Maybe it was originally millions of years old and not from 1873 like inscribed on the datestone.

That's a way to 'rewrite' history with a new twist eh ?

~ :lol:

 

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There was me thinking deserts were a consequence of weather patterns, when all along they exist because a comet hit them 28 mya ......  :rolleyes:   And we know this is true because someone drew a line joining them to the Azores :huh:

 

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Incidently, the Azores didn't exist 28mya.   The first stage of the Tercerira Rift only began (at most) ~25mya and the Azores plateau itself didn't form until ~10mya

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terceira_Rift

 

Oh, wait, we're not actually supposed to be seriously debunking this, are we?  :blush:

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Well ... things are a bit slow for the start to the month ...

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A lot of the OP article depends on the Azores Pyramid, as a point of reference. He seems to take it at face value as being real. AFAIK, this came up in 2014 and was not reported to be anything other then a simple sea mount. Some have called it a Hoax.

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4 hours ago, Essan said:

Incidently, the Azores didn't exist 28mya.   The first stage of the Tercerira Rift only began (at most) ~25mya and the Azores plateau itself didn't form until ~10mya

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terceira_Rift

 

Oh, wait, we're not actually supposed to be seriously debunking this, are we?  :blush:

Thanks but I think it debunks itself!

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8 hours ago, No Solid Ground said:

Four years of college in the U.S. averages around 50-60k (public) and 180k (private) ... resulting in a huge uneducated population that's ripe for exploitation by the billion dollar 'fringe science' industry. Hurray capitalism. If college were free then the fringe industry's profit would radically shrink and the industry would collapse. But that would be scary 'socialism' ... can't have that. Capitalism manufactures and depends on poorly educated consumers who only know just enough to work routine jobs and shop til they drop.  

Not really many of the key fringe authors have college degrees. I have found that college doesn't protect one from accepting crazy ideas. I use to hire professors and a number of them were mad as hatters, having both non-scientific ideas and extreme religious views. Hancock was a journalist, Sitchin an economist, Bauval an engineer and many of the UFO believers were well-educated. Some nations have free college and I don't think they are free of fringy thought at all. About a third of the world's population (guesstimate) has a desire/need for fantastical thinking and no amount of education removes it.

The USA doesn't do free education because we simply could not afford it (we could but we'd have to get rid of something else) I believe it would cost 70 billion to fund such an action - that would have to come from somewhere and at present the political will to do so doesn't exist - its building but its not there yet.

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4 hours ago, third_eye said:

Well ... things are a bit slow for the start to the month ...

~

...pssst don't say that about Harte and Kmt_sesh they aren't really THAT slow.

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12 hours ago, kmt_sesh said:

LOL Good points. I had forgotten but I believe the Nile isn't even nearly that old. And I got a chuckle over the same thing: the pyramids experienced continental drift and moved hundreds of miles north—and yet remained intact for well over 20 million years. Now that's good construction for you!

Now, you enjoy your tea. Sop up the mess. But this article leaves me wondering, what did this bloke put in his tea?

You're right.

1st Stage/Eonile:  6 - 5.4 My BP

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The Eonile Canyon represents the Upper Miocene Nile River ancestor through which clastics were transported to Mediterranean where several gas fields are discovered. This work provides a detailed mapping of the upstream onshore river system utilizing subsurface data which shows structural control of canyon entrenchment during Tortonian low-stand.

South of Cairo, cliffs of 200-500 m high of Eocene carbonate plateaus face narrow Eonile-path which runs along-strike of a major flexure-zone that shows 1600-1900 m drop for Eocene sequences. This flexure represents a Post-Eocene drape over a blind-inherited fault-zone of basement-suture. North of Cairo, this suture and the Eonile pathfinder cross

ENE-trending belts of Upper Cretaceous wrench-flowers and culminations with entrenchment into the Cretaceous to Jurassic sediments. Further north, several NW-trending gorges of tributaries flux into the main Canyon with slope-gradient of 1:30 where large volume of Middle-Miocene to Eocene rocks excavated and transported to the main Eonile-Canyon.

The calculated depth of entrenchment reaches 1400 m south of Cairo and sunk to 2400 m in the north with 1:185 slope-gradient. This reflects steep gradient relative to 1: 4000 gradient of the Nile River, indicating powerful hydraulic system that was able to cascade the Mid-Delta hinge and transport huge amounts of coarse-reservoir clastics to Mediterranean in Upper Miocene. In Early-Pliocene high-stand, the Mediterranean transgressed the Eonile Canyon depositing thick prism of source rock shale. Upward in the sequence, ripple marked and burrowed shallow-marine carbonates exist and partially scoured and caped by channel deposits of Late Pliocene to Holocene.

 

Information based on the following:

http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/documents/abstracts/cairo2002/el_bishlawy01.htm

http://damanhour.edu.eg/pdf/researches/1-s2.0-S1464343X11001567-main.pdf

https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2008SC/finalprogram/abstract_136189.htm

cormac

 

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8 hours ago, Essan said:

Oh, wait, we're not actually supposed to be seriously debunking this, are we?

You have the ball, run with it.  Serious debunk is better with a second cup of coffee.

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15 hours ago, No Solid Ground said:

Four years of college in the U.S. averages around 50-60k (public) and 180k (private) ... resulting in a huge uneducated population that's ripe for exploitation by the billion dollar 'fringe science' industry. Hurray capitalism. If college were free then the fringe industry's profit would radically shrink and the industry would collapse. But that would be scary 'socialism' ... can't have that. Capitalism manufactures and depends on poorly educated consumers who only know just enough to work routine jobs and shop til they drop.  

When I went to Uni in Sydney it was free - pick what you want, do whatever courses you want , graduate or not .... whatever !

When enrolling I asked about that, they told me  : We believe the more educated people there are in any society, the better the society will be.         

Now, they have decoded that, like everything  else, education must be sold  ... and worse  - privatised to  'economically rational '    rip of companies trying to line their own pockets and to hell with everyone  else ! 

We have recently had several companies 'collapse' that are 'education providers'  - students  turned up to find institutions closed ... or got an email that course was no longer happening ... it doesnt look like any of them are going to get their fees back and some are still paying them off .      Thats how  the system works now ..... its all about the 'balance sheet' 

( A trick I observed when working in the film industry ; some large company  well known film company  , let's call it   '   I Warned Ya, Brothers '   decides to make ,  ' Film X'  , they set up a company/s to run  and make that film  { or a company to run the company to make the film - hence all those multiple  strange sounding  company names you see at the beginning if a film sometimes ). That company hires, pays, contracts everyone .   Something goes wrong, the film flops,  the chief star refuses to perform etc etc .  They shut down and the company is declared bankrupt , debts dont have to be paid and the further down the pyramid you are the more you lose ....   meanwhile  'I Warned Ya Brothers'  doesnt  have to pay a cent ... they just start another film and another film company.  <_< )

 

 

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