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The Reason They Buried Gobekli Tek?

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On ‎11‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 11:29 AM, Harte said:

"Tree stumps"???

They couldn't cut trees. You need a diamond-studded saw for that - they only had cubic zirconia for God's sake!

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How many times does this have to be explained ?    The saw didn't do the actual cutting through the wood ... they would sprinkle sawdust in the cut and move the saw back and forwards .... it was the sawdust that actually did the cutting . 

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On 11/08/2017 at 9:33 AM, Harte said:

Nuh-uh.

Chairs hadn't been invented, therefore laps didn't exist.

Plus, who wants to lay down with a girl in a pile of bones, mice and roaches anyway?

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Everyone has a fetish.

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53 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Everyone has a fetish.

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The situation in the Middle East is very disheartening. And to make matters worse, it is completely unnecessary and could have been avoided. The current destabilization in the region is the direct result of United States foreign policy, and more specifically the naive neocon utopian idealism of spreading duhmocracy and human rights abroad. And look what it resulted in. Endless war, terrorism, and the whole sale destruction of archaeological sites by Daesh.

Stability in the region will not be restored until Daesh is wiped off the face of the earth. This will require a broad international coalition, and will necessitate the setting aside of petty rivalries. Regarding Syria, the United States needs to commit a complete 180 degree shift in its current policy. American policy towards Syria should be to support Assad, and to assist the Russians in helping to keep him in power. Not only is Assad a secular Arab dictator who protects the rights of women and religious minorities, he will also protect Syria's wealth of archaeological sites. 

The overthrow of Saddam Hussein by those idiotic war criminals Bush and Cheney was the single worst event that could have happened to the region. It is the direct cause of much of the current regional instability. Do you honestly think if Saddam Hussein was still in power in Iraq, that these Daesh vermin would even exist? The fact is, Iraq would be a safe place for archaeology if Saddam Hussein was still in charge, and the Middle East in general would be far less deadly for the people living there, for archaeogists, and for travelers.

The United States needs to abandon its post-war interventionist foreign policy and adopt a cold blooded, Machiavellian foreign policy similar to that used by the Russians. It is not America's place to be the world's policeman. It is not America's place to spread democracy abroad. Especially not to nations which have no experience with or desire for this system of government. The current Clinton-Bush-Obama policy of regime change needs to be put on the scrap heap of history folks. Both for the good of Americans, and for the good of the innocent people living in the Middle East. Overthrowing the lawful governments of sovereign nation states is illegal, and in clear violation of international law.

Instead, American policy towards the Middle East should be on preserving the current regimes, and on working with the international community, particularly with the Arab States, Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Russia, to destroy Daesh. Regarding Iraq, a secular Baathist strongman should be installed and the Saddam era military and secret police apparatus rebuilt. This government should be given considerable American and Russian support for the purpose of eliminating Daesh and other extremist elements. And when that's done, let's get the Hell out of there! 

This is my proposal for protecting both the regional stability of the Middle East and the region's archaeological treasures. 

I apologize for the rant.

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On 15/08/2017 at 2:23 AM, Lord Harry said:

The situation in the Middle East is very disheartening. And to make matters worse, it is completely unnecessary and could have been avoided. The current destabilization in the region is the direct result of United States foreign policy, and more specifically the naive neocon utopian idealism of spreading duhmocracy and human rights abroad. And look what it resulted in. Endless war, terrorism, and the whole sale destruction of archaeological sites by Daesh.

Stability in the region will not be restored until Daesh is wiped off the face of the earth. This will require a broad international coalition, and will necessitate the setting aside of petty rivalries. Regarding Syria, the United States needs to commit a complete 180 degree shift in its current policy. American policy towards Syria should be to support Assad, and to assist the Russians in helping to keep him in power. Not only is Assad a secular Arab dictator who protects the rights of women and religious minorities, he will also protect Syria's wealth of archaeological sites. 

The overthrow of Saddam Hussein by those idiotic war criminals Bush and Cheney was the single worst event that could have happened to the region. It is the direct cause of much of the current regional instability. Do you honestly think if Saddam Hussein was still in power in Iraq, that these Daesh vermin would even exist? The fact is, Iraq would be a safe place for archaeology if Saddam Hussein was still in charge, and the Middle East in general would be far less deadly for the people living there, for archaeogists, and for travelers.

The United States needs to abandon its post-war interventionist foreign policy and adopt a cold blooded, Machiavellian foreign policy similar to that used by the Russians. It is not America's place to be the world's policeman. It is not America's place to spread democracy abroad. Especially not to nations which have no experience with or desire for this system of government. The current Clinton-Bush-Obama policy of regime change needs to be put on the scrap heap of history folks. Both for the good of Americans, and for the good of the innocent people living in the Middle East. Overthrowing the lawful governments of sovereign nation states is illegal, and in clear violation of international law.

Instead, American policy towards the Middle East should be on preserving the current regimes, and on working with the international community, particularly with the Arab States, Turkey, Iran, Israel, and Russia, to destroy Daesh. Regarding Iraq, a secular Baathist strongman should be installed and the Saddam era military and secret police apparatus rebuilt. This government should be given considerable American and Russian support for the purpose of eliminating Daesh and other extremist elements. And when that's done, let's get the Hell out of there! 

This is my proposal for protecting both the regional stability of the Middle East and the region's archaeological treasures. 

I apologize for the rant.

You think far too little of the deep state in your country. Everything is of design and purpose with the U.S. and Europe the biggest beneficiaries. The greater Middle East project will cut up the region into smaller and more manageable pieces from which peace and trade will emerge all guaranteed by Pax Americana. 

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On 8/14/2017 at 9:23 AM, Lord Harry said:

 

I apologize for the rant.

That's okay - we understand. The Shia and Sunni have been hating each other for 1,400 years

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9 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

That's okay - we understand. The Shia and Sunni have been hating each other for 1,400 years

That's true. But for the main part they have respected archaeological sites. The modern extremist phenomena is something new.

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14 minutes ago, Lord Harry said:

That's true. But for the main part they have respected archaeological sites. The modern extremist phenomena is something new.

Partially there have been earlier waves of destruction, they occurred in Saudi Arabia - the tomb of "eve' at Jeddah was destroyed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Eve

When I was in Saudi someone was destroying sites of early Christian churches in the Eastern Province. When Persia was conquered the Arabs destroyed a lot of the tombs, one survived because the locals said it was the tomb not of a Persian King but of Solomon's mothers (Tomb of Cyrus). When the Muslim's invade India they destroyed hundreds of Hindu Temples and graves.

Its been a periodic thing. The Muslim world goes Pious, slips, becomes pious, becomes super fanatical - that doesn't work and its slips down and the cycle starts all over again.

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Just now, Hanslune said:

Partially there have been earlier waves of destruction, they occurred in Saudi Arabia - the tomb of "eve' at Jeddah was destroyed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Eve

When I was in Saudi someone was destroying sites of early Christian churches in the Eastern Province. When Persia was conquered the Arabs destroyed a lot of the tombs, one survived because the locals said it was the tomb not of a Persian King but of Solomon's mothers (Tomb of Cyrus). When the Muslim's invade India they destroyed hundreds of Hindu Temples and graves.

Its been a periodic thing. The Muslim world goes Pious, slips, becomes pious, becomes super fanatical - that doesn't work and its slips down and the cycle starts all over again.

It is going to take a broad international effort to protect archaeological sites in this war-torn region.

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Just now, Lord Harry said:

It is going to take a broad international effort to protect archaeological sites in this war-torn region.

Major looting took place over much of the Arab world during the 'spring' - bolstered by people in the West and Asia buying the stuff.

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2 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Major looting took place over much of the Arab world during the 'spring' - bolstered by people in the West and Asia buying the stuff.

A big mistake committed by the Obama administration was not making a concerted effort to support Mubarak.  He was the right man to rule Egypt, and did a fantastic job of maintaining order, keeping extremists at bay, and protecting the country's rich cultural and archaeological heritage.  Al-Sisi is a good man also, but don't forgot the Muslim Brotherhood ruled for two years before the military coup which brought him to power.  It was the so called "Arab Spring" and the succeeding two years of chaos which resulted in Daesh gaining a major foot-hold in the Sinai province.  The Egyptian army is doing a remarkable job of stamping these Daesh cretins out, but once the seed is planted it is difficult to kill entirely.

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