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Australia cardinal charged w/sex offenses


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The Vatican treasurer, Cardinal George Pell, has vehemently denied any wrongdoing after being charged with sex offences in his native Australia.

He complained that he had been subjected to "relentless character assassination" during a two-year investigation into the "false" claims.

He said the Pope had granted him a leave of absence to fight the charges.

The charges relate to alleged "historical" incidents, police in the state of Victoria said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40439489

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I was just about to pop this in. Yes, it will be interesting to see what happens. I'm sure he wouldn't have been charged if they didn't have some kind of compelling evidence against him.

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have seen many news  on him.........horrified......his statements from rome.......that if anything did happen....he didn't know about it......as for what he may have done.....is questionable...........i want to see him fry.......jmo...

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52 minutes ago, cluey said:

have seen many news  on him.........horrified......his statements from rome.......that if anything did happen....he didn't know about it......as for what he may have done.....is questionable...........i want to see him fry.......jmo...

You want him found guilty?

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1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

You want him found guilty?

I think she meant if he's found guilty, she'd like to see him fry.

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3 minutes ago, Astra. said:

I think she meant if he's found guilty, she'd like to see him fry.

In a country where the death penalty is outlawed.

And this based on the media reports of Ridsdale.

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7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

In a country where the death penalty is outlawed.

I don't think she meant it in the literal sense ie; by using capital punishment, yes...in which was abolished anyway. She was no doubt referring to, that if he is found guilty then justice will be served by sending him to jail....hence, fry ?

7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

And this based on the media reports of Ridsdale.

Sorry, I must have missed something :huh:...

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39 minutes ago, Astra. said:

I don't think she meant it in the literal sense ie; by using capital punishment, yes...in which was abolished anyway. She was no doubt referring to, that if he is found guilty then justice will be served by sending him to jail....hence, fry ?

Sorry, I must have missed something :huh:...

I don't think that anyone who wants justice wants trial by media

3 hours ago, cluey said:

......as for what he may have done.....is questionable...........i want to see him fry.......jmo...

These words, in my opinion, reflect a general bias and a presumption of guilt. And, the use of the word fry in a punitive sense would refer to the electric chair and not gaol. However, I can see that perhaps the @cluey is buying into the media hype and being emotive.

7 hours ago, cluey said:

have seen many news  on him.........horrified......his statements from rome.......that if anything did happen....he didn't know about it......

This is a reference to Pell's purported knowledge of Ridsdale's actions. Why is they same bloodlust not directed at Ridsdale's other housemates in 72-73; ie McMahon, McInerney or O'Connell? Or the other consultors - Fiscalini, Nolan, Arundell, J Martin or E Bryant? Or, not least of all the Bishops Mulkearns or O'Collins?

Why is Pell the only one who could possibly have known of Ridsdale's actions? Ridsdale himself testifies that it is not not in his nature to have discussed his actions with anyone. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that anyone engaging in the same actions as Ridsdale would be secretive.

The charges of abuse formally being laid is actually fair to Pell and the predicted extradition obstacles have not materialised.

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i would like to see Pell not guilty or ignorant of any offences let alone sex related.......although he many years ago defended a sex offender and claimed he regretted that.......as for the victims.....they live with the shame,nightmares and inability to have normal lives....the lucky ones have an awesome family and support team......i am sure if he is guilty....jail will be punishment enough........it is a shame in some cases the death penalty does not exist here......for the very guilty......

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14 minutes ago, cluey said:

i would like to see Pell not guilty or ignorant of any offences let alone sex related.......

I'm just going to amend this for you, I think you meant to say: 'I would like to see Pell judged fairly in a court of law, and if found guilty, punished in a manner which is wholly representative of the crimes he committed'.

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lmao........amend.......you just re worded.................get it right....

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6 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

I don't think that anyone who wants justice wants trial by media.

You are coming across in your posts as defending this man, why ?....nobody is accusing him of being guilty or innocent yet in regards to these said charges. It is obvious tho - that they have evidence of sorts to want to extradite him and put him in front of a magistrate.

He wont be trialled by the media either, he will be trialled by the court through our justice system if found guilty of past child sex offences. Also, I don't care how high up in the Vatican church he is...as the church is renowned for protecting it's child molesters.

'IF' he is found guilty of such crimes committed against children, then he has to pay the price, just like any other disgusting paedophile does. If he is found innocent of said charges, then he can hop on the next available flight back to the Vatican. 

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11 hours ago, Astra. said:

You are coming across in your posts as defending this man, why ?....nobody is accusing him of being guilty or innocent yet in regards to these said charges. It is obvious tho - that they have evidence of sorts to want to extradite him and put him in front of a magistrate.

He wont be trialled by the media either, he will be trialled by the court through our justice system if found guilty of past child sex offences. Also, I don't care how high up in the Vatican church he is...as the church is renowned for protecting it's child molesters.

'IF' he is found guilty of such crimes committed against children, then he has to pay the price, just like any other disgusting paedophile does. If he is found innocent of said charges, then he can hop on the next available flight back to the Vatican. 

What's Milligan's The Rise and Fall of George Pell?

Unbalanced reporting and presumption of guilt.  What's your definition trial by media?

Affording Pell thr presumption of innocence and every opportunity for natural justice is the appropriate thing to do. Who wants to contribute to an unfair trial?

If the evidence leads to the Vatican it's even more reason to ignore the possibility of extradition obstacles and adhere to the process. Let the Vatican react to the charges. The World is watching.

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Excommunication is the only way forward for the Church.

If you're found guilty BAM **** off out of Mother Church and ****ing take it up with the Lord God Almighty himself we mere mortals want nothing to do with you. 

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Latest update on Pell. 

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/cardinal-george-pell-may-take-back-way-into-court-next-time-top-cop-says-20170727-gxjq52.html

Police may escort Cardinal George Pell through an underground entrance for his next Melbourne court appearance after officers had to force their way through a 100-strong media throng.

Cardinal Pell  appeared in court for the first time on Wednesday, with his barrister making it clear his client would plead not guilty to all charges.

 

 

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I was raised Catholic...went to Catholic school and all. If things like this were going on there, I sure didn't have a clue about it. So I guess it's possible not to know. I certainly wasn't a Cardinal. That said, if the allegations against him are true, then putting him in charge of the policies would effectively be like putting the wolf in charge of hen house security. 

I don't discount that there have been things raised against him that have been proven untrue. There can be a jump-on-the-bandwagon effect once allegations start coming out. It's important to really, really scrutinize everything. 

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sadly this has been happening world wide for a very long time.....Catholic schools seem to be the most well known,it's not just Catholic schools nor even in schools that these crimes occur.....

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AT some point does irreperable damage get done to the CAtholic church? I mean if the worst thing imagined can't be stopped from happening over again and guilty are at the highest level, what point do people say this organization is no good for us?

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16 hours ago, The Russian Hare said:

AT some point does irreperable damage get done to the CAtholic church? I mean if the worst thing imagined can't be stopped from happening over again and guilty are at the highest level, what point do people say this organization is no good for us?

I think there's a New Reformation in the wind, some groundswell of the Lay and the Congregants ousting the corrupt and forcing genuine reform. 

Given how we're raising the next generation of Catholic I think there's change coming. 

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On 7/29/2017 at 0:22 AM, cluey said:

sadly this has been happening world wide for a very long time.....Catholic schools seem to be the most well known,it's not just Catholic schools nor even in schools that these crimes occur.....

But not all the Commissions case studies have been reported equally by the media. Case Study 23 is a good example of media bias.

The media is not concerned with the victims.

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what you just said doesn't make sense..........

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29 minutes ago, cluey said:

what you just said doesn't make sense..........

What don't you understand? 

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I understand.....your is many contradictions......what is it you seek to know?

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