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Using "tales" in science


Weitter Duckss

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Using "tales" in science to acquire financial resources – is it correct?

A few days ago I watched a documentary on TV, in which NASA employees use nicely constructed tales to sensitize the masses of people with a final goal to acquire financial resources for space missions. It all seemed innocent, nice and very justified. Small tales to secure big money for scientific travels. They went on telling tales in the documentary... the most often they used tales of water supposedly existing on Mars, Europa, Pluto, etc.; the search for life and possible life-supporting conditions; wonderings whether we are alone (in the Universe) or not; habitable zones; etc. People like such tales and those of great "mysteries" of Universe, too (black holes, dead stars, planets traveling from internal to external orbits and vice versa, distant past in a singularity), written with nice scholarly words and phrases... There is nothing wrong about it, except for presenting these tales in renowned magazines (or on TV) as a top scientific work by well-educated and respected scientists of renowned organizations, who insist on the verity of these tales, despite of knowing that they are false.

There is no expiration date for such a tale. These tales are being quoted by scientists from around the world, from the level of school to the level of encyclopedia. Classical scientific thinking, based on the scientific research and logical inference, is not allowed. If you give some real evidence that it is pointless to discuss made-up (delivered by order) tales, because they are not scientifically based, then you face an unimaginable wall of refusal to accept the reality by all of the renowned scientific institutions. Underestimations, ignoring, insulting, censorships, offences and restrictions in approaching the renowned magazines follow, instead of approving. If a certain magazine (which is outside the "renowned" circle) publishes such a scientific paper, it gets discredited and disqualified as a false magazine.

Twenty years have passed since the landing of the rover on the surface of Mars in the search for water, the life on Mars and the runaway atmosphere. After twenty years of searching and wandering around the carefully chosen sites on Mars, not a single drop of water nor a single evidence of its possible existence have been found. For the twenty years now we have been listening and reading the same incoherent tales about water existing on Mars. The explanations get more and more convincing; it is been prophesied from sand, stones, craters, taluses, ditches and channels, frozen surface (CO2) which does not evaporate water (H2O) ... For the twenty years the rovers have been searching for water without a single positive shred of evidence. When will the expiration date for these tales come and when will the presentation of science start?

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A whole army of very loud people (the "scientists" bound with them through the same interests) are engaged in supporting these tales; the people who are allowed to say anything, while their supporters and fans are loudly cheering to them.

Does anyone still remember the pyramids, faces and other signs of civilization on Mars? Does anyone still remember the debacle of landing the Cassini-Huygens probe to the surface of Titan into the oceans of hydrocarbons (methane and ethane) to the opposite of a frozen desert, which had been found there? Does anyone still remember the rings around Pluto? The missions without probes to land on the surface are nowadays been sent to Titan, as it is easier to defend the tales based on the blurry photos, which are anyway computer-processed (photoshopped) with fake colors added, than on the unwanted evidence from the very spot.

It can be estimated that we will be listening to this rubbish until the industry will have their interests on Mars and until they will need new financial resources. The "situation" is being warmed up now with the tales of people going to Mars (as if we have not been listening to that for the last 30 years). People and water go hand by hand, we will again have to listen and read of "sensational" tales about water on Mars for the next 20 years (without a shred of evidence, of course). The tales of a runaway atmosphere have been quieted down (not extinguished or discarded, Heaven forbid!), because there are no more ideas how to continue lying without evidence; besides, atmosphere is not as attractive as water and it can not be "found" over the next hill or crater in the wasteland of Mars.

(https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast24may_1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/26/mars-pyramid-nasa-curiosity-rover-video_n_7665080.html

https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/science/overview/

https://www.space.com/2075-pluto-rings.html etc... etc..)

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6 hours ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

And that's just a small sample, not to mention this;

Sory. I did not know about this water tank that shows the picture! Now, really, I have to start believing!

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This link shows when fiction overcame science. Although scientists knew the real state, NASA accepted hypotheses (advertising) instead of evidence.
Https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msp98/why.html Mars, Water and Life

It's the same with Pluto. All observations were not important, some were bigheads that 4 big planets had rings and two asteroids, must rings also have Pluto.
http://sen.com/blogs/morgan-rehnberg/what-might-a-pluto-ring-look-like
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Rings_of_Pluto_999.html


With Titan, from the beginning everything went out of the science, although in the background it was seen that not everyone was blind.
Https://science.slashdot.org/story/99/07/30/1224238/sea-of-oil-seen-on-titands1-asteriod-fly-by "Sea of oil seen on Titan / DS1 Asteriod fly-by "
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v374/n6519/abs/374238a0.html
https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/1-4020-4520-4_410
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/027311779090097J
 

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It's okay I guess, they are selling you a dream, infact they do put out scientific publications which will be considered as boring by masses who are interested in selfies, reality stars and what not.  If you start speaking the truth all the time you will have no friends and worse nobody would like to listen to you anymore.  Putting this aside nasa is doing amazing work and this mechanism can be considered as their advertisement does anybody really blame when your burger is not even remotely same as that shown on tv?? 

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At the end of the day we humans run on emotions more then anything else so stories are what we pay attention too. Ever since the stories around the campfire. Now we share them in books, tv, games, movies, songs , gossip etc.

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There was/is a fairy tale for children that the moon is made of cheese.  Whether it is or isn't has no practical bearing on our lives here on Earth.  I can't see how lying about the composition of other planets, or whether the Big Bang is the truth (see, I read your other posts) can change anything, if lying about astronomy findings is what you think they are doing.  What does it matter whether there are rings around Pluto or not?  It is, in general, nothing more than a huge mental exercise.  It is interesting and challenging to discover what we can but it is what it is, they are what they are.  Knowing changes nothing on the cosmological scale.  We would do better to concentrate on the heinous state of affairs here on Earth - wars, famine, poverty etc, than use that energy to argue about what is out there while claiming it is all lies and conspiracy.

Rant over! <_<

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@   kartikgspartan max2 &Susanc241

We all grew up in cartoons and fairy tales. The only oasis of seriousness without lies is in science. It is now evident that the presentation of science is just a well-designed advertisement.
I do not agree with lies about poisonous food, drink, etc. The wars and most of the problems come from lies.
Lie can be, because there are masses of people who it love and obey.
When do we discover lies, how do we continue to believe in science? Each article may by, (statistically speaking, almost certainly) still one lie.
Are there (renowned) scientific journals, only science and debate on science?

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On Wednesday, July 05, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Weitter Duckss said:

@   kartikgspartan max2 &Susa, nc241


Are there (renowned) scientific journals, only science and debate on science?

Yes plenty, You can start with IEEE , edvisdr and if you want a scientific explanation of things you can use stack physics  sites. Stack sites are well moderated and they don't allow quick one line humor and anything off topic. Be careful with your question make it short, well formed and if English is not your first language get help from someone who is comfortable in it before posting questions there . you can share a link to your questions here so anyone interested can follow up . 

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6 hours ago, kartikg said:

Yes plenty, You can start with IEEE , edvisdr and if you want a scientific explanation of things you can use stack physics  sites. Stack sites are well moderated and they don't allow quick one line humor and anything off topic. Be careful with your question make it short, well formed and if English is not your first language get help from someone who is comfortable in it before posting questions there . you can share a link to your questions here so anyone interested can follow up . 

Thank you.
In 2008 I gave up on expression without provocation and sarcasm.
When I finish the research phase, I can accept a uniform writing for a short time.
Honestly I hope that this will not happen, because it is no longer a hobby.
 
I looked at the page (basic) and will come back several times but without connecting.

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On 03. 07. 2017. at 9:40 AM, Imaginarynumber1 said:

https://www.space.com/37534-mars-civilization-evidence-congress-nasa.html
"In case you were wondering, there's no evidence that Mars hosted an alien civilization thousands of years ago. ... Many orbiters, landers and rovers have explored Mars over the decades, and none have detected any evidence that intelligent organisms ever arose there.
 
Now we can be 100% sure, but still win "scientists" who tell fairy tales. Although there is no evidence that indicates for "we can not rule out that fairy tale is not correct".
("A whole army of very loud people (the "scientists" bound with them through the same interests) are engaged in supporting these tales; the people who are allowed to say anything, while their supporters and fans are loudly cheering to them.")

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