Trump son met Russian who promised damaging

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48 minutes ago, Claire. said:

Trump dictated son’s misleading statement on meeting with Russian lawyer

On the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Germany last month, President Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to a new revelation that Trump’s oldest son had met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril. 

Read more: The Washington Post

This has been verified at least 4 times by 2 different news outlets, so it seems to be true. If it is, which seems extremely likely, then it's astounding. I mean we all sort of suspected this to be the case, but confirmation is a different matter.

 

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19 minutes ago, .ZZ. said:

Since this story broke CNN hasn't stopped talking about it. Jake Tapper, Chris  Cuomo, and his sidekick Alyisyn Camorata (who recently gave up Twitter with a tearful goodbye) are literally beside themselves with breathless glee.

From the article:

It seems like "The Mooch" failed in his effort to fire all the high-level leakers.

At this point, I'm just wondering if maybe the NSA has the White House bugged and that's the source of the leaks. More likely though it's probably just Trump's big mouth. He likely can't keep his trap shut in front of the wrong people.

[Lilly]

If one knows something that took place is going to be promoted as being politically nefarious, it sure as hell stands to reason that the exact wording is going to be discussed at the highest levels. Both political parties do this and I'm pretty sure that any President would be putting in their 2 cents worth in as well.

Obviously there's still a leaker(s) and I have a distinct feeling that this is why General Kelly was brought in.

[ExpandMyMind]

6 minutes ago, Lilly said:

If one knows something that took place is going to be promoted as being politically nefarious, it sure as hell stands to reason that the exact wording is going to be discussed at the highest levels. Both political parties do this and I'm pretty sure that any President would be putting in their 2 cents worth in as well.

Obviously there's still a leaker(s) and I have a distinct feeling that this is why General Kelly was brought in.

Oh my God, Lilly. You are the worst Trump apologist on these boards, because you're the most intelligent and should have been able to suss him out straight away. I don't get it. At all.

[Lilly]

1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Oh my God, Lilly. You are the worst Trump apologist on these boards, because you're the most intelligent and should have been able to suss him out straight away. I don't get it. At all.

No, I've seen politics and am aware of what goes on with both the Ds and the Rs. Trump isn't acting any differently than Clinton...they all spin their position, they all look for dirt on one another, they all court any and all allies both foreign and domestic. Basically, both sides are what you'd call *dirty*. What I look for is who is going to make the country safer, help the economy, support the laws and our Constitution. So far Trump has been trying to do some things that could help achieve this, but he's been falling on his face. At least the stock markets are viewing the situation as potentially hopeful (21,700 is a record). We need to get back to following our laws and allowing economic competition, all the PC Socialism isn't destined to help our country. This is my opinion and I'm going to stand on it, thinking I'm stupid is of course your right (but time will tell).

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3 minutes ago, Lilly said:

No, I've seen politics and am aware of what goes on with both the Ds and the Rs. Trump isn't acting any differently than Clinton...they all spin their position, they all look for dirt on one another, they all court any and all allies both foreign and domestic. Basically, both sides are what you'd call *dirty*. What I look for is who is going to make the country safer, help the economy, support the laws and our Constitution. So far Trump has been trying to do some things that could help achieve this, but he's been falling on his face. At least the stock markets are viewing the situation as potentially hopeful (21,700 is a record). We need to get back to following our laws and allowing economic competition, all the PC Socialism isn't destined to help our country. This is my opinion and I'm going to stand on it, thinking I'm stupid is of course your right (but time will tell).

This is exactly what I mean. The stock market has increased 20% since Trump came into office, but it increased 300% during Obama's term. It's been on an upward trend for nearly 10 years and it's still Obama's budget until October or something. Trump claims anything and his supporters just eat that **** up. Trump has had zero effect on the stock market.

Your President worked with an enemy state to get himself elected. It looks extremely likely that he received this aid in return for a promise to rid Russia (Putin) of sanctions. All the pieces are so clearly coming together, but you're still on the same old line of 'nothing burger' or now 'but all politicians ...' or 'but Clinton'. This is the biggest scandal in the history of the US and instead of looking at it objectively, you automatically look at any way of defending the man. Madness.

[Lilly]

The markets were totally tanked when Obama came into office and with Janet Yellen at the helm there was a huge recovery during the next 8 years. You can't compare 8 years with 6 months though. My point was that the election of Trump did not result in the markets pulling back, quite the opposite the bull market continued. It continues because investors aren't concerned with the political nonsense the Rs and Ds are both pulling. The markets have continued to rise on the heels of potential tax reform and a lessening of restrictions on business.

Unless there's evidence that the Trump campaign committed actual criminal acts then the Trump/Russia thing is not the biggest political scandal in all US history. Time will tell here as well.

[ExpandMyMind]

52 minutes ago, Lilly said:

The markets were totally tanked when Obama came into office and with Janet Yellen at the helm there was a huge recovery during the next 8 years. You can't compare 8 years with 6 months though. My point was that the election of Trump did not result in the markets pulling back, quite the opposite the bull market continued. It continues because investors aren't concerned with the political nonsense the Rs and Ds are both pulling. The markets have continued to rise on the heels of potential tax reform and a lessening of restrictions on business.

Unless there's evidence that the Trump campaign committed actual criminal acts then the Trump/Russia thing is not the biggest political scandal in all US history. Time will tell here as well.

You realise that dictating his son's statement, which was a lie, could also be obstruction of justice, right? He told him to say it was about adoptions. Do you know the Russian 'code word' for discussing the Magnitsky Act? 

From the above testimony on Browder:

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"In addition to working on the Katsyv’ s money laundering defense, Ms. Veselnitskaya also headed the aforementioned lobbying campaign to repeal the Magnitsky Act. She hired a number of lobbyists, public relations executives, lawyers, and investigators to assist her in this task.

Her first step was to set up a fake NGO that would ostensibly promote Russian adoptions, although it quickly became clear that the NGO’s sole purpose was to repeal the Magnitsky Act. This NGO was called the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative Foundation (HRAGI). It was registered as a corporation in Delaware with two employees on February 18, 2016. HRAGI was used to pay Washington lobbyists and other agents for the anti-Magnitsky campaign. (HRAGI now seems to be defunct, with taxes due.)"

The lawyer at the meeting went to discuss the Magnitsky Act and Trump knew about it, covered it up, then lied about it himself and via his son to the American public. Considering the fact that Trump tried to get rid of the Act days after becoming President, it is blatantly clear that he accepted what was offered in this meeting (or was simply blackmailed, which may even be worse) and was directly in Putin's debt. This is definitely not a case of smoke without fire. 

This is so far beyond anyone being able to legitimately deny that this isn't a scandal of the highest order. With Trump attacking the Republicans as well now, his days are truly numbered. What will it take for his near-religious followers to wake up?

 

And to reply to the economy point you made, I wasn't purposely trying to omit the crash and recovery with regards to the economy, or even trying to give Obama credit for it. I was just showing that it is completely and utterly false for Trump to try to take credit for a trend that has been going on for 9 years.

Edited August 1, 2017 by ExpandMyMind

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[bee]

21 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

 

This is so far beyond anyone being able to legitimately deny that this isn't a scandal of the highest order. With Trump attacking the Republicans as well now, his days are truly numbered. What will it take for his near-religious followers to wake up?

 

 

you always devalue your posts by saying stupid things like the bolded above - 

you are failing to convince anyone here who isn't already a Trump Hater - IMO

sorry  but you are wasting your time 

edit to add - a nothing burger is still a nothing burger even when you try and stuff more nothing in it -

never mind eh

 

 

Edited August 1, 2017 by bee

[Lilly]

I'm going to wait and see how all this plays out before concluding anything based on assumptions. If Trump and company are guilty of criminal acts then the hammer will come down. If all of this is just dirty politics in action then no real evidence will surface. Time will tell.

[Lilly]

Just so everyone is aware, politicians frequently tell other governments they will be more open minded than their opponents intend to be.

Even President Obama did this, and there's nothing at all wrong with saying things like this.

Here's where Obama said this type of thing:

 

[ExpandMyMind]

2 minutes ago, Lilly said:

Just so everyone is aware, politicians frequently tell other governments they will be more open minded than their opponents intend to be.

Even President Obama did this, and there's nothing at all wrong with saying things like this.

Here's where Obama said this type of thing:

 

This has been posted in this thread at least three times. How does one leader telling another that he'll be in a better place to negotiate after an election equate to an enemy state carrying out an act of espionage on US soil in a likely attempt to get a person elected with the quid pro quo of making the leader of said enemy state insanely more wealthy? 

[Baz Dane]

3 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Your President worked with an enemy state to get himself elected. {...} This is the biggest scandal in the history of the US ...

 

Pfffft...

Made up lies {...} and just plain wrong.

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28 minutes ago, Lemieux said:

 

Pfffft...

Made up lies {...} and just plain wrong.

 

[Lilly]

When the evidence comes forth that proves Trump "worked with an enemy of the state" (BTW, when did we go to war with Russia?) to get himself elected, then I'll say this is the biggest scandal in US history. Until that happens...not so much.
 

[Lilly]

1 hour ago, Lemieux said:

 

Pfffft...

Made up lies {...} and just plain wrong.

Could be made up lies, could be based on something real. Only the evidence can determine this. As of right now all I see is speculation, rumor and hearsay (of the partisan political type no less).

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[Claire.]

20 hours ago, .ZZ. said:

Since this story broke CNN hasn't stopped talking about it. Jake Tapper, Chris  Cuomo, and his sidekick Alyisyn Camorata (who recently gave up Twitter with a tearful goodbye) are literally beside themselves with breathless glee.

I don't watch CNN (no TV) but I can well imagine.Some journalists need to dial back on their over the top drama.

[+and-then]

23 minutes ago, Claire. said:

I don't watch CNN (no TV) but I can well imagine.Some journalists need to dial back on their over the top drama.

If a real investigation of Wasserman-Schultz, Rice, Power, Comey or HRC begins, you can expect the MSM to go absolutely insane.

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Looks like there's truth to the 'dictating' the speech:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40795122

[Uncle Sam]

On 8/1/2017 at 8:28 AM, ExpandMyMind said:

 

Bald Eagles are highly territorial, it is just in the Eagle's nature. If they bond, they only bond one individual and that is it. I would be highly afraid to get near a bird of that caliber, because I dealt with conures and macaws, they bite and Eagle's are designed to shred skin. Trump is a brave man to be near that bird, let along that close to his face. O.O

Edited August 2, 2017 by Uncle Sam

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13 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Bald Eagles are highly territorial, it is just in the Eagle's nature. If they bond, they only bond one individual and that is it. I would be highly afraid to get near a bird of that caliber, because I dealt with conures and macaws, they bite and Eagle's are designed to shred skin. Trump is a brave man to be near that bird, let along that close to his face. O.O

Yeah, my reason for posting it was really just due to the symbolism. Don't p*** off America was basically what I was getting at.

[preacherman76]

On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 6:51 AM, ExpandMyMind said:

This has been verified at least 4 times by 2 different news outlets, so it seems to be true. If it is, which seems extremely likely, then it's astounding. I mean we all sort of suspected this to be the case, but confirmation is a different matter.

 

Wait you mean Trump talked to his son??? To repel the witch hunt??? OMG the horror.

We have noticed your absents from what looks like might turn into the crime of the century by the head of the DNC, and her "IT" guy. With all your new found concern over this countries politics, I'm confused. How can that be? If I didn't know better I'd say you don't really care about this government at all. You just care about the witch hunt.

[Dark_Grey]

7 hours ago, and then said:

If a real investigation of Wasserman-Schultz, Rice, Power, Comey or HRC begins, you can expect the MSM to go absolutely insane.

Hey, what do you know - clear cases of actual corruption. Weird how your post was just skipped over to further discussion of an event they can't even definitively say was a crime.

This is partly why the "religious followers" are having such a hard time taking these Trump witch hunts seriously. There is a mountain of filthy corruption on the side that's doing all the finger pointing. How are we reasonably supposed to reconcile that? I know two wrongs don't make a right but c'mon. This is ridiculous