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Bucks County, Pennsylvania murders

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14 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

Must have been guns all over the place there...

When they arrived, Patrick said he only had $800, and Dinardo agreed to sell him a shotgun for that amount. Dinardo then took him to a remote part of the property, gave him a shotgun, and then shot and killed him with a 22 caliber rifle, according to the affidavit.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjNnaqI74zVAhUG7yYKHY4bAV0QqOcBCCYwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2017%2F07%2F14%2Fus%2Fmissing-pennsylvania-men-charges%2Findex.html&usg=AFQjCNHh3n4q7KMtjSP0145w1b1Fnm5yNA

From your link:    

Dinardo would later tell police he had a Smith and Wesson .357 revolver.

Police know the revolver belonged to DiNardo's mother. I don't know where these shotguns came from. They may have been the parent's, they may not have. DiNardo couldn't legally purchase firearms or ammunition. 

I'm wondering if the parents can be charged for not properly securing their weapons where Cosmo couldn't get ahold of them. I don't think they can because they may be considered stolen, but they did not report them as such. They would have to be crazy to just allow him access. 

 

 

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On 7/14/2017 at 11:40 PM, glorybebe said:

That is so sad for all the families.

This is what I don't get about allowing a mentally ill person a gun.  It is a time bomb waiting to go off.

If he was a diagnosed schizophrenic I don't think he could legally purchase.  If he did purchase, that needs to be investigated and if he got it from his parents or a friend, THAT needs to be investigated as well.  

ETA:  I walk country roads every night of the week, year round.  DARK, mostly deserted roads in a county that has become popular for meth manufacturers.  It may be that some night I don't come home but I can assure them one thing - as Richard Pryor used to quip - I had my hand on my knife 'cause if someone was gonna get hurt, I wasn't going to be the ONLY one :w00t:

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22 minutes ago, and then said:

If he was a diagnosed schizophrenic I don't think he could legally purchase.  If he did purchase, that needs to be investigated and if he got it from his parents or a friend, THAT needs to be investigated as well.  

ETA:  I walk country roads every night of the week, year round.  DARK, mostly deserted roads in a county that has become popular for meth manufacturers.  It may be that some night I don't come home but I can assure them one thing - as Richard Pryor used to quip - I had my hand on my knife 'cause if someone was gonna get hurt, I wasn't going to be the ONLY one :w00t:

In post #21, I linked the law and then. No, he could not legally purchase firearms or ammunition in PA. His name is, in fact, registered with the NCIS. If he went somewhere else to make his purchases, his inability to purchase here should have come up in the background check, providing one was made. Since he sold a lot of drugs, he probably knew people where he could get ahold of weapons illegally. Daddy's attorney had enough sense to plea bargain a confession in order to take the death penalty off the table. Hopefully more info will be forthcoming from Cosmo or his cousin. The handgun was his mom's, so it remains to be seen if she can be charged for not securing her weapon properly.

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The confusion is in the fact that they weren't all killed at once or with the same weapons. I'm now thinking the same thing about the parents because it's not like they didn't know their son had mental health issues.

This is the link that shows there are no background checks for private sales of long guns in PA. And even if there were, he could have easily gotten his accomplice to purchase the guns, if they didn't just belong to his parents. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiD_7742Y7VAhUKSiYKHWm_DSIQFgguMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGun_laws_in_Pennsylvania&usg=AFQjCNEWZqTqfF5HdTntv4O6SEJl5lhuaA

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Interesting weapon he used. Never underestimate the little .22 caliber, usually used for simple "plinking" or small game but just as deadly to human when your back is turned...

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He also sold handguns to local people. How he got ahold of everything needs to be investigated. I don't think the parents would have owned all of these. I'm thinking more his drug connections. From the link:

 DiNardo sold quarter-pound quantities of marijuana for several thousand dollars and sold handguns to area residents, the person said.

He can be charged with selling those handguns as PA law requires them to be sold only through licensed dealers or police. See link in next post below. #33

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/13/cosmo-dinardo-confesses-to-murders-4-missing-pennsylvania-men-will-be-spared-death-penalty-lawyer-says.html

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1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

The confusion is in the fact that they weren't all killed at once or with the same weapons. I'm now thinking the same thing about the parents because it's not like they didn't know their son had mental health issues.

This is the link that shows there are no background checks for private sales of long guns in PA. And even if there were, he could have easily gotten his accomplice to purchase the guns, if they didn't just belong to his parents. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiD_7742Y7VAhUKSiYKHWm_DSIQFgguMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGun_laws_in_Pennsylvania&usg=AFQjCNEWZqTqfF5HdTntv4O6SEJl5lhuaA

Private sellers don't have to do a background check for a long gun. Dealers must. However, a person selling a weapon to a person who is forbidden to buy one can be charged and convicted as the laws still apply. The seller is responsible for who he sells to. Further violations can result in increased punishment.

From the link:

In Pennsylvania, private sellers (sellers who are not licensed dealers) may only sell a handgun to an unlicensed purchaser through a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff’s office, who must initiate a background check as described above.18 Private sellers are not required to initiate background checks when transferring a long gun in Pennsylvania, although federal and state laws prohibiting certain persons from purchasing or possessing firearms still apply. See the Pennsylvania Private Sales section for more information.

A person violating these provisions who has already been convicted under them previously (in other words, a repeat offender), receives an enhanced punishment under Pennsylvania law.19

http://smartgunlaws.org/background-checks-in-pennsylvania/

Maybe mom and dad are in trouble. Depends on where all these guns came from. 

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Difference between private sale and dealer sale is volume, I think the limit is 4 in a year, if you sell more than the limit the federal govt. considers you a dealer who need to get a firearms license, then every sale must include a check.

Regardless he was a prohibited person and every time he possess a gun it was a federal offense.

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3 minutes ago, The Russian Hare said:

Difference between private sale and dealer sale is volume, I think the limit is 4 in a year, if you sell more than the limit the federal govt. considers you a dealer who need to get a firearms license, then every sale must include a check.

Regardless he was a prohibited person and every time he possess a gun it was a federal offense.

Any person who sells privately is required to follow the laws if they only sell one. They can not sell a handgun privately without a check by police or a licensed dealer. He was a prohibited person indeed. If they trace where these guns came from, those people could be charged. I'm thinking those rifles will have their numbers traced, if they haven't been removed.

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Yes, still unlawful to sell to a prohibited person, but they expect no background check to be required in a private sale, since average citizen has no access to NICS (the instant check system the gun store calls when you buy one.) But still illegal to sell knowingly to a person who is forbidden. 

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10 minutes ago, The Russian Hare said:

Yes, still unlawful to sell to a prohibited person, but they expect no background check to be required in a private sale, since average citizen has no access to NICS (the instant check system the gun store calls when you buy one.) But still illegal to sell knowingly to a person who is forbidden. 

They tell people to call the State Police. They will get the information for you while you are on the line. That's not too bad of a thing to have to do to protect yourself and maybe someone else. If they trace those guns, the seller will be held liable for breaking the law. You should be aware of the gun laws in your state. As I understand, 26 states now have laws like this.

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Why was this idiot involved in selling guns/drugs? His family was rich. :wacko:

 

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Cosmo-DiNardo-at-Center-of-Missing-Men-Mystery-is-Scion-to-Family-With-Sizable-Real-Estate-Holdings-434155333.html

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Their 68-acre farm about four miles outside New Hope in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, cost a cool $5.4 million in September 2005. But Antonio and Sandra DiNardo, whose fortune stems from trucking and concrete, weren’t done adding to their estate.

 

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Neighbor claims he was always walking around in camo and shooting squirrels. 

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The "family" fortune which was earned in the trucking and cement business.  I bet that's "family" all right.  Perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on them for giving him access to the guns laying about the house.  One of the draw backs of being in the trucking/cement/real estate "business."

Cosmo might just find himself in trouble with more than the law.  I hear bringing embarrassment upon "family" is not a good thing.  

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12 minutes ago, Vincennes said:

The "family" fortune which was earned in the trucking and cement business.  I bet that's "family" all right.  Perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on them for giving him access to the guns laying about the house.  One of the draw backs of being in the trucking/cement/real estate "business."

Cosmo might just find himself in trouble with more than the law.  I hear bringing embarrassment upon "family" is not a good thing.  

o.o

I just figured they had guns because it was a rural farm. But there sure were a lot of shenanigans going on there. And if the neighbor managed to know that DiNardo was always walking around shooting stuff, I don't know how the parents didn't. 

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1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

o.o

I just figured they had guns because it was a rural farm. But there sure were a lot of shenanigans going on there. And if the neighbor managed to know that DiNardo was always walking around shooting stuff, I don't know how the parents didn't. 

No, I'm not thinking that it was because it was such a rural farm.  I think it's too bad that Brooklyn doesn't seem to be posting right now we could be asking him if he recognizes that name.  

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And, Susie, I also made a request for you to go ask questions at one of the press conference.  You can, of course, consider that request cancelled !  In fact, if you do happen to be driving by, best method ..... serpentine ...... serpentine ...... ;)

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Found this in local news about DiNardo's mental condition. He was trying to get his guns back.

http://www.wfmz.com/news/southeastern-pa/records-detail-cosmo-dinardos-odd-behavior-at-university/589458052

Found this also. Police were back at the farm on Thursday. Philadelphia police want to question DiNardo also.

http://www.wfmz.com/news/southeastern-pa/philadelphia-police-officers-at-dinardo-farm/590530894

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"He could be a psychopath with sadistic tendencies at the psychotic level, which makes it very close to schizophrenia, but they are better able to plan out things, he could have delusions he's a great Mafioso and has power over people," Gordon said.

That's like a buffet line of crazy :blink:

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