papageorge1 Posted October 1, 2017 #26 Share Posted October 1, 2017 8 hours ago, back to earth said: see post # 14 That's what I called a ramble of multiple things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted October 1, 2017 #27 Share Posted October 1, 2017 On 7/22/2017 at 11:04 AM, OlderSoul said: Quote Knowing the things that I know now, I CANNOT believe in my old religion. I totally relate. Quote I DO continue to search for the truth to the best of my ability and hopefully I'll find it one day. But I simply cannot believe I'll burn for eternity because I cannot believe something. That is all on that. I got a little more into that than I intended to. My apologies. I don't see any reason to apologize. Expressing ourselves is what we do here, and reading others expressions is a part of it. It's what this forum is for. I share your opinion on this matter. The idea that you burn forever for not believing in something - at face value - seems a shameless and open attempt to control people through fear. On 7/22/2017 at 11:04 AM, OlderSoul said: Thankyou all for taking the time to read this extremely lengthy post. I promise future posts will not be this long. Again, I don't see the need for aplogies. People who don't want to take the time to read your posts simply will not do so. On the topic, I can recommend a book by Robert Monroe called Journeys Out of the Body, I just finished reading it not long ago. I'm sure there are other books available that go into better detail about how to and so forth, but this book was worth the read. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumpino Posted October 1, 2017 #28 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) On 22. 7. 2017 at 8:04 PM, OlderSoul said: So basically I have been attempting astral travel for a couple of days now...about 4...and I have had no results. While I want to ask a few questions about this I also want to give a little more information about myself to give anyone who might be willing to provide some info an idea of the type of person they are talking to. .. ve experienced it before. A seasoned and frequent, knowledgeable Astral Traveler is what I really need. Thankyou all for taking the time to read this extremely lengthy post. I promise future posts will not be this long. When you will do regular meditation every night before sleep so after few weeks will see. Meditation about a journey = visualisation journey. Tracking individual steps , browsing the neighborhood ...best on you well known places for your verify. But patience is necessary . Edited October 1, 2017 by Lumpino repair text 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka CAT Posted October 1, 2017 #29 Share Posted October 1, 2017 A belated welcome, OlderSoul. A couple of us were awake overly late last night. Had it not been for fatigue, I'd have read all of this thread prior to back to earth's post. Much as I sympathize with what Guyver addresses above in reply to you, I wouldn't want anyone be misguided. It seems to me that we exist to learn. That some of those lessons are very difficult is the more reason to avoid, however possible, our making them any harder. How that might be possible is best regarded as more than a mere dream and, thus, more ideally discussed both in a more suitable section and under a more exact heading. Nonetheless, as you cannot expect the most professional help here, you will need to filter out everything counterproductive to the self-improvement that you seek. Re: one's astral projecting while dreaming - Many threads pertain to the topic of this one, while quite extensive is the following: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted October 2, 2017 #30 Share Posted October 2, 2017 17 hours ago, aka CAT said: To most English speaking persons, myself included, Lucifer is synonymous with the devil. Therefore, I reject all ambiguity that serves to redefine the Prince of Darkness in a favorable light for that is exactly what Satanists, which often include Freemasons, do. So, let us not more digress from the main topic of this thread. It was you that started the Lucifer stuff ... you bought that here bouncing off my quote, I gave a perfectly reasonable definition. Now you try to counter it with 'what most English speaking people think ' then ask us not to digress from the topic ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted October 2, 2017 #31 Share Posted October 2, 2017 9 hours ago, papageorge1 said: That's what I called a ramble of multiple things and that is what I call you evading a very clear question that cornered you ... as you usually do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted October 2, 2017 #32 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The usual element has arisen here, I note NONE OF YOU actually claims the experience and expertise the OP asked for in the first place, you just come in here with your stuff YOU wanted to rant about . As I have said my piece .... I am out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka CAT Posted October 2, 2017 #33 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Something that can be applied to most everything that has been mentioned herein is one's need to recognize his and others' progress. Doing so let's us preserve hope for both ourselves as well as others, hope for mankind. Also, in recognizing others' effort to better themselves, we are prone to not only be more patient, understanding and forgiving but to try harder ourselves. With that said, I express my appreciation for the respect previously shown me by back to earth and acknowledge his apparent resolve to toe the line as a father/step father. Not knowing the status of that arrangement, I've an inkling of its challenges and admire anyone both capable and dedicated enough to make the self sacrifices necessary to maintain a family. May love ever enhearten the dutiful. In light of our ability to be gracious, why doubt the benevolence of Our Father? Granted I do not equate birth with doom, I do value freedom enough to deduce God's gifting us with free will requires His honoring our choice. So, as I do not wish eternal hell upon anyone, and as I believe Our Lord far more generous than myself, I neither dare let myself be drawn to evil nor abide others' blurring the line beyond which some of us might become forever lost. Moreover, faith that we are gifted free will trusts that we are empowered to exercise that will to overcome temptation and subsequent addictions. By exercising the will to make healthier choices, our determination is affirmed by a higher will. Hence, the success of twelve step programs. So, practiced at lucid dreaming, having had countless OOBEs (mostly while asleep) and having overcome a nicotine addiction, studied anthropology, ascertained Castaneda a fraud whose satanism required of him just enough truth for the practice of deception... &c., I have done my best to take polite exception to the overgeneralization following: 21 hours ago, back to earth said: I note NONE OF YOU actually claims the experience and expertise the OP asked for in the first place Peace be with y'all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted October 3, 2017 #34 Share Posted October 3, 2017 My apologies Cat ... perhaps if you had started off by saying you DID have such an experience in the first place instead of some sort of diversion into suggestions (or hints or whatever they were ) about 'dark arts ' etc . I would have know of your experience . Its too late to edit my above mistake , so I will say here that the above was an unfounded assumption by me in regards to you . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka CAT Posted October 3, 2017 #35 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Thank you, bte. Both forgiven, we can forget about it. I, however, am reminded once more to avoid being online when I'm tired for my thus lack of tact. Nonetheless, I do somewhat blame synchronicity in part, owing to my having been participating in overlapping discussions. Then, as many of the same subjects and terms were concurrently being mentioned in vastly different contexts, I didn't want a relatively new member to get the impression that I was in any way encouraging his involvement in dubious practices. I overreacted in a way inconsiderate of you. Sorry. Best wishes, CAT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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