Slavery Was World Wide

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Essan said:

St Patrick was a slave.  A Briton captured by the Irish.

The Romans enslaved thousands of Britons.

I propose we tear down Hadrians Walls - an abject symbol of colonial imperialism, as well as slavery - and ban Guiness

 

 

They're not about to destroy Gettysburg field or something, so your analogy with Hadrian's wall is very obviously wrong.

Now, if someone started erecting monuments to Hadrian, and sane people complained, especially if there was some Roman supremacy behind it, then you'd have an analogy.

 

 

51 minutes ago, Almighty Evan said:

Another weapon to be used to sow "chaos" against a Republican President.

 

UN officially disagrees with you

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/23/charlottesville-un-committee-warns-us-over-rise-of-racism

 

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“We are alarmed by the racist demonstrations, with overtly racist slogans, chants and salutes by white nationalists, neo-Nazis, and the Ku Klux Klan, promoting white supremacy and inciting racial discrimination and hatred,” said Anastasia Crickley, chair of the committee.

 

 

[Michelle]

It's odd these "KKK members and white supremacists" didn't make themselves known when Obama was president. The news made a huge deal talking about how their numbers were on the rise, but you didn't hear anything from them. They weren't protesting against Obama. Now miraculously, they are coming out of the woodwork. Just as was predicted by the MSM, they are emboldened by Trump. Coincidence? I think not.

[Lilly]

We need to keep in mind that Ms Anastasia Crickley is also a highly liberal progressive college professor (from Ireland). She chairs a UN committee but she also has her own personal opinions like everyone else.  

[Dark_Grey]

6 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

UN officially disagrees with you

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/23/charlottesville-un-committee-warns-us-over-rise-of-racism

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A UN committee charged with tackling racism has issued an “early warning” over conditions in the US and urged the Trump administration to “unequivocally and unconditionally” reject discrimination.

Of course they do. What else would you expect them to say? The only function of the committee is to find evidence of racism and make public statements about it. 

Time to consult the good ol' "Global Terrorism Database" (U of Maryland,) to get some context.

Now, I wasn't sure exactly which groups listed were White Supremacist groups so I consulted the Southern Poverty Law Center's list because it's sure to be the most inclusive (they LOVE labeling everything as hateful).

What's more, I included every group with the words "national socialist", "white", or "aryan", just to be safe. These are the groups I ultimately included in the terrorism search:

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All incidents regardless of doubt.

Perpetrators: (Arya; Aryan Brotherhood; Aryan Nation; Aryan Republican Army; National Alliance (Chad); National Alliance for the Protection of the Fulani Identity and the Restoration of Justice (ANSIPRJ); National Socialist Civic Workers Movement; National Socialist Council of Nagaland; National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah (NSCN-IM); National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Khaplang (NSCN-K); National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Khole-Kitovi (NSCN-KK); National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Unification (NSCN-U); National Socialist Liberation Front; National Socialist Underground; National Youth Resistance Organization; Nationalist Patriotic Alliance (APN); Nationalsocialistisk Front (NSF); Nazi Boerestat Party; White Liberation Army; White Panther Party)

I did not limit the search by country or date. The only filter in the search were the groups above (some of which may not even be white supremacist groups). Here's the result: 

A total of 358 deaths since 1970. That's an average of 7 deaths/year, globally. GLOBALLY. 
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Every year over 70 shark attacks are reported worldwide.

Sharks kill people at a rate 10x higher than White Supremacists yet shark attacks are considered to be a rare occurrence.

The news lies but the numbers don't. Stay out of the water.

 

[Dark_Grey]

If the far-right experiences a big resurgence, Leftists will to be blame. They have been throwing around the word "Nazi" so casually it lost it's emphasis. They have been pushing people to the right for years. Imagine being a young white person in College today, being told over and over that your opinion doesn't count, that your a Nazi and a racist because of the color of your skin. Of course there is going to be a big cultural reaction to the Nazi witch-hunt. Did you really think the entire white community was going to suck up the insults and force fed guilt? Leftists are creating Nazis out of otherwise benign kids just like crazy Liberals created a Trump Presidency and likely will ensure a second term.

If you haven't gotten it by now, the American public is sick of Leftist crap and their votes will show it.

WhiteHouse Petition: Label ANTIFA a Terrorist Organization

Only 178,000 extra signatures in 6 days. Goal reached and surpassed in under a week. The "silent majority" is still out there and they aren't buying what CNN is selling.

 

[Kismit]

Having met a number of white supremacists in my youth. I can honestly say I found each and everyone of them revolting.

I spent several months with them intimately attached to my social circle. White Pride, Hard core Nationalist. I watched so many of the arguments then, used to support their ideals, that I see around here, it puzzles me. 

I saw the organising of meetings, I  witnessed the ranking of officers and soldiers. I watched the belittling of women, racist verbal abuse, heard bragging about racist physical abuse. I saw these idiot boys who thought they were men spread hate thick.

No one can ever convince me that people in groups like this do not cause harm. They cause plenty. In assaults, intimidation, rape, animal cruelty (something I can not forget), murder is only a very small part.

Perhaps they do feel currently  more accepted and as such feel they have a stronger voice. I don't care, the minority of thugs in these groups tend to be the loudest, and most hateful, and then they breed crowdes.

The more people you get in a crowd the lower its average IQ gets.

A group which inspires hate and does the sorts of things behind closed doors these disgusting people do, should not be given any credence.

[Dark_Grey]

Man stabbed over "Nazi" haircut

This is what happens when you make violence acceptable. #PUNCHNAZIS

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“All I hear is, ‘Are you one of them neo-Nazis?’ as this dude is swinging a knife up over my car door at me,” Witt wrote in his post.

“I threw my hands up and once the knife kind of hit, I dived back into my car and shut the door and watched him run off west, behind my car."

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Witt says he is most definitely not a neo-Nazi and that he doesn't have any tattoos or clothing that might have led the confused anti-Nazi activist to start stabbing him randomly. Witt says his friends told him, after his post began to go viral, that it was probably his haircut

“The dude was actually aiming for my head,” Witt added in the post. “I was more in shock because I was just getting a milkshake.”

 

[Kismit]

20 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

If the far-right experiences a big resurgence, Leftists will to be blame. They have been throwing around the word "Nazi" so casually it lost it's emphasis. 

Nope. If these groups experience a resurgence it will be because individuals chose to pick a side.

Individuals will pick that side based on their beliefs. Picking a side or drawing a line in the sand leaves little room for negotiation. You have to choose very very wisely.

[Dark_Grey]

2 minutes ago, Kismit said:

No one can ever convince me that people in groups like this do not cause harm. They cause plenty. In assaults, intimidation, rape, animal cruelty (something I can not forget), murder is only a very small part.

I'm sure they do cause harm. Neo-Nazis are just thick skulled morons and thugs. The best way to get rid of them is by ignoring them. If they don't have a platform, they essentially don't exist. Now they are getting more attention than ever and loving it. Another big piece of this puzzle is the media's disregard for clarity. They are lumping together way too many groups under one umbrella to sell this story about the "rise of the far-right" which helps the Nazis' cause and hurts the free speech advocates and others who are not racist, but just want to be heard.

[Gromdor]

39 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

Man stabbed over "Nazi" haircut

This is what happens when you make violence acceptable. #PUNCHNAZIS

 

That's an odd story.  He wasn't near any protests or anything.  Seems too random to be like he described.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Gromdor
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[Kismit]

28 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

Man stabbed over "Nazi" haircut

This is what happens when you make violence acceptable. #PUNCHNAZIS

 

I am not going to support anyone who commits violence. No matter what colour they are or what their cause is. The golden rule should always be. If you treat someone as lesser or as a thing, you begin the cycle of true evil.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Kismit
stupid new phone and it's auto correct

[Dark_Grey]

1 minute ago, Kismit said:

Nope. If these groups experience a resurgence it will be because individuals chose to pick a side.

Individuals will pick that side based on their beliefs. Picking a side or drawing a line in the sand leaves little room for negotiation. You have to choose very very wisely.

The pendulum is swinging hard in the other direction. Forced diversity, tolerance training, gender pronouns and white guilt are starting to take their toll.

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“Generation Z,” the most conservative generation in 70 years.  Born between 1995 -2010, they’re fiscally conservative, staunchly supportive of personal freedoms, and strong on national security including counter-terrorism and cyber-security, with a hint of isolationism.  They don’t fit the mold for either political party in their current form, which is probably why data suggests they support the unconventional Donald Trump over the political status quo offered by either party.

The last generation to be a white majority will probably also be the most Conservative in response to their peers and cultural pressure.

[Dark_Grey]

4 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

That's an odd story.  He wasn't near any protests or anything.  Seems to random to be like he described.

That's what makes it terrifying.

[Kismit]

11 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

The pendulum is swinging hard in the other direction. Forced diversity, tolerance training, gender pronouns and white guilt are starting to take their toll.

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The last generation to be a white majority will probably also be the most Conservative in response to their peers and cultural pressure.

Your point about the pendulum swinging is exactly what I said. If there is a resurgence it will be because individuals chose to pick sides based on their beliefs. In this case, drawing a line that defines the belief that fighting against tolerance, and diversification is more important than tolerance and diversification itself. An individual choice which to me looks like it excludes others, treating them as less than or worse things.

There is a middle ground. No one should choose extremism.

And a final question, Why are we so hell bent on fighting for a white majority? 

[Michelle]

34 minutes ago, Kismit said:

Having met a number of white supremacists in my youth. I can honestly say I found each and everyone of them revolting.

I spent several months with them intimately attached to my social circle. White Pride, Hard core Nationalist. I watched so many of the arguments then, used to support their ideals, that I see around here, it puzzles me. 

I saw the organising of meetings, I  witnessed the ranking of officers and soldiers. I watched the belittling of women, racist verbal abuse, heard bragging about racist physical abuse. I saw these idiot boys who thought they were men spread hate thick.

No one can ever convince me that people in groups like this do not cause harm. They cause plenty. In assaults, intimidation, rape, animal cruelty (something I can not forget), murder is only a very small part.

Perhaps they do feel currently  more accepted and as such feel they have a stronger voice. I don't care, the minority of thugs in these groups tend to be the loudest, and most hateful, and then they breed crowdes.

The more people you get in a crowd the lower its average IQ gets.

A group which inspires hate and does the sorts of things behind closed doors these disgusting people do, should not be given any credence.

In the South, which is supposed to be the epicenter of the KKK, white supremacists, and nasty nationalists, and being totally open to everyone's lifestyles, I can honestly say I've met maybe two. One being a wannabe. I can honestly say I know personally, or a friend of a friend at least a 1/3 of the residents in town.

My husband and I have encountered a few outright racists, due to the nature of our business, but they have been clearly told they aren't welcome when they insult another customer or an employee due to race.

It's difficult to understand how someone could spend a great deal of time around such people. I may meet them once and that is long enough to know they will never again be allowed at our house or never associate with them again.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Michelle

[Kismit]

Just now, Michelle said:

In the South, which is supposed to be the epicenter of the KKK, white supremacists, and nasty nationalists, and being totally open to everyone's lifestyles, I can honestly say I've met maybe two. One being a wannabe. I can honestly say I know personally, or a friend of a friend at least a 1/3 of the residents in town.

My husband and I have encountered a few outright racists, due to the nature of our business, but they have been clearly told they aren't welcome when they insult another customer or an employee. 

It's difficult to understand how someone could spend a great deal of time around such people. I may meet them once and that is long enough to know they will never again be allowed at our house or never associate with them again.

And this is why I love you Michelle. My life now is different. There is no way I would have even a wannabe in my house. But back then, I was a young 17 year old girl with almost no family thrown into a very foreign environment with little to no resources. I was literally stuck, slap bang in the middle of something that the people responsible for me thought wasn't that big an issue. Even when their own daughters chose to join the gang via the gang rape process. We are not talking about intelligent people.

In my life now, the one I have more control over, it would be easy for me to forget this sort of thing actually does take place. But then a few years ago my 16year old son was beaten up on his way home from work. Why? Because he was there. And some wannabe needed to prove himself to be part of the gang. ( took us less than 24 hours to track down the wannabe and pay him a visit). And  the father of one of my friends children was murdered by a group of these scumbags. They still exist, but just in the shadows, like cockroaches. 

[Michelle]

1 minute ago, Kismit said:

And this is why I love you Michelle. My life now is different. There is no way I would have even a wannabe in my house. But back then, I was a young 17 year old girl with almost no family thrown into a very foreign environment with little to no resources. I was literally stuck, slap bang in the middle of something that the people responsible for me thought wasn't that big an issue. Even when their own daughters chose to join the gang via the gang rape process. We are not talking about intelligent people.

In my life now, the one I have more control over, it would be easy for me to forget this sort of thing actually does take place. But then a few years ago my 16year old son was beaten up on his way home from work. Why? Because he was there. And some wannabe needed to prove himself to be part of the gang. ( took us less than 24 hours to track down the wannabe and pay him a visit). And  the father of one of my friends children was murdered by a group of these scumbags. They still exist, but just in the shadows, like cockroaches. 

When I moved away from home, the month I turned seventeen, an Arab family practically adopted me when I applied for a job. Besides a Greek family, they were the most prominent immigrant family in town. They owned restaurants, a very familiar atmosphere since I grew up in one. 

But, even in school, I was very independent and never a follower. If I saw an injustice, I fought it. I think that is why I am so infuriated by what is happening now. What is being perceived as injustices these days actually aren't. Antifa and the like are minimizing the real injustices going on in the world. It's gotten to where we don't know what is real and what is manufactured, making everyone suspicious of any accusation.

I resent them blurring the clear line I had.

[CrimsonKing]

1 hour ago, Kismit said:

 

I saw the organising of meetings, I  witnessed the ranking of officers and soldiers. I watched the belittling of women, racist verbal abuse, heard bragging about racist physical abuse. I saw these idiot boys who thought they were men spread hate thick.

No one can ever convince me that people in groups like this do not cause harm. They cause plenty. In assaults, intimidation, rape, animal cruelty (something I can not forget), murder is only a very small part.

 

I have lived and grew up in the SE and have only ever met 1 single little group of about 3 guys who claimed to be WS's....i find it kinda shocking the tales i hear coming out of all kinds of people having run ins with them all over the place...

The above post i quoted sounds SHOCKINGLY like main stream rap/hip hop music played daily on radio's everywhere and their performers celebrated worldwide!...70% of it bare minimum!

I'm just wondering when our pc culture shock stops and common sense and reasoning will again replace "feelings and emotions" 

I mean Asian American Robert Lee can't call next weekends football game because some might be "offended"...USC is having calls for their mascot to be removed because the damn horse has a name Similair to Lee's horse,even though they are "the men of Troy"...

What's next a person is a "NAZI!!!" if they are seen wearing Hugo Boss clothing?!

[Michelle]

16 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I have lived and grew up in the SE and have only ever met 1 single little group of about 3 guys who claimed to be WS's....i find it kinda shocking the tales i hear coming out of all kinds of people having run ins with them all over the place...

Its almost like the home of the Confederacy doesn't have as many bigots as everywhere else. That is exactly what my cousin, born and raised in Chicago and lived until he was 40, told me after he'd lived here for several years.

He said we don't have any idea what real racism is. He loves it here where we all get along! And he worked at our shop, at the edge of the "hood" where we have lots of ethnic customers and friends. I don't understand it either.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Michelle

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It truly is interesting that those erected to define a place as 'Confederate' they weren't a problem before. 

Parks, cemeteries, museums, actual sites of battles or birth and death places and so on... sure. I doubt you are taking those down.   

I wouldn't bet your last Kuna on it.  A national sports broadcaster covering a GAME in the state of Virginia was just removed due to the sound of his name potentially being found to be offensive.  This silliness is beginning to verge on hysteria.  The guy was ASIAN FHS!  

[Paranormal Panther]

8 hours ago, Bama13 said:

Most of these confederate monuments have been around for decades. Why are they suddenly a problem now?

You know the answer to that question. It's a way to attack and tarnish Trump and his fans. It's also manufactured, orchestrated outrage for the news cycle. It's another in a long line of cultural overreactions too.

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Sweetpumper said:

CNN’s Anderson Cooper’s Family Were Slave Owners – Owned Michelle Obama’s Relatives

Will Mr. Cooper disavow his own family? (Remember, that is the very type of thing he demands of others based on nothing more than distant secondary affiliation. 

Read more at http://dcwhispers.com/cnns-anderson-coopers-family-slave-owners-owned-michelle-obamas-relatives/#8xAdjE00f1gbQtG9.99

http://dcwhispers.com/cnns-anderson-coopers-family-slave-owners-owned-michelle-obamas-relatives/#9rzTUZY8hyCAydkX.97

Well!  

 

[CrimsonKing]

5 minutes ago, and then said:

I wouldn't bet your last Kuna on it.  A national sports broadcaster covering a GAME in the state of Virginia was just removed due to the sound of his name potentially being found to be offensive.  This silliness is beginning to verge on hysteria.  The guy was ASIAN FHS!  

And....a horse named traveller.... 

I really wonder who walked past that horse,heard its name,and broke out in tears and hysterics over memories of slavery?! 

[Michelle]

7 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

And....a horse named traveller.... 

I really wonder who walked past that horse,heard its name,and broke out in tears and hysterics over memories of slavery?! 

Not to mention Gypsies!

[Paranormal Panther]

8 hours ago, WoIverine said:

Where's the outcry? What about these people?

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/media/45-8-million-people-enslaved-across-world/

I think their plight is just a little bit more relevant. The statue conversation pales in comparison, but...priorities, right?

You beat me to the punch. Why do these groups and people care more about past slaves than present slaves? They almost never mention the present slave trade, and they can change things if they address this with just half the effort that they're spending on historical injustices. For instance, how many times does Al Sharpton mention this when he appears on talk shows?