July 5, 2016 DNC hack, was inside job.

[lost_shaman]

An August 9th article in 'The Nation' details how the alledged hack, the data transfer itself, contained metadata files that show it is consistent with the use of a USB-2 flash drive and couldn't have happened over the internet, that the data transfer took place somewhere in the Eastern Time zone of the U.S. and not Russia or any other foreign country.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

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“A speed of 22.7 megabytes is simply unobtainable, especially if we are talking about a transoceanic data transfer,” Folden said. “Based on the data we now have, what we’ve been calling a hack is impossible.” Last week Forensicator reported on a speed test he conducted more recently. It tightens the case considerably. “Transfer rates of 23 MB/s (Mega Bytes per second) are not just highly unlikely, but effectively impossible to accomplish when communicating over the Internet at any significant distance,” he wrote. “Further, local copy speeds are measured, demonstrating that 23 MB/s is a typical transfer rate when using a USB–2 flash device (thumb drive).”

 

[Aquila King]

Not to toot my own horn here but this merely validates what I as well as many others have been saying all along. This whole "Russia" story is complete bunk.

The same intelligence agencies that keep reporting these "Russian Hacks", are the same ones that unanimously told us Iraq had nuclear weapons, and that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks. Not only have they proven themselves untrustworthy numerous times, but they've yet to give us any evidence to support their claims.

What's worse is that they actually have me defending Trump for a change.  The man has enough real controversies already that are actually worthy of serious discussion. Why divert them with this made up nonsense? I'll tell you why. Because the current political establishment has no real substance.

The democratic establishment would rather escalate tensions with one of our greatest enemies, than admit that their in bed with wall street, big corporations, and billionaires. The DNC hacks prove that they were doing everything in their power to prop up Hillary Clinton when the people really wanted Bernie Sanders, and so their gut reaction to the hacks were to divert the publics eyes from the substance to instead look at the terrible Russian leakers...

Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter. Billionaires own all of 'em...

Anyway, that's been my rant for the day...

[Indiogene]

Hillary Clinton is blamed for the hack, esp. she was strongly supported and promoted (despite her candidate neutrality) by DNC chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz. There's a large minority of Democrats wanted Bernie Sanders nominated instead of Clinton. I can't imagine what America would be like right now if Sanders was nominated...and elected president, instead of Donald Trump. 

Edited September 1, 2017 by Solipsi Rai

[Dark_Grey]

I'll save you guys a ton of reading. Here's the Cole's Notes:

An independent team of professionals and former professionals calling themselves "VIPS" ("VETERAN INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS FOR SANITY",) began investigating the alleged "Russian hack". This team presented a letter to the out-going President Obama detailing their findings and presenting possibilities as to why this was being blamed on Russia. You can read the entire letter here. In the letter they also include a timeline of events, the juiciest part being:

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The Key Event

July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack. It thus appears that the purported “hack” of the DNC by Guccifer 2.0 (the self-proclaimed WikiLeaks source) was not a hack by Russia or anyone else, but was rather a copy of DNC data onto an external storage device.

This could be the...well, "the Key Event". The missing piece that ties this tangled web together. The Russia story never fully made sense, there were too many holes. There was also no way to prove otherwise as the media, being the good DNC lapdog it is, began shouting "Russia!" as loud as they could before anyone had a chance to protest. If these guys are right and this was unquestionably an inside job, plus the DWS-Awan controversy, plus conspiring against Bernie Sanders... 
I'd say that makes the DNC not only the slimiest, most treasonous gang of politicians in America, it also makes them objectively worse than...

Spoiler

For reference, the egg-heads behind VIPS

Spoiler

FOR THE STEERING GROUP, VETERAN INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS FOR SANITY

William Binney, former NSA Technical Director for World Geopolitical & Military Analysis; Co-founder of NSA’s Signals Intelligence Automation Research Center

Skip Folden, independent analyst, retired IBM Program Manager for Information Technology US (Associate VIPS)

Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan (associate VIPS)

Larry C Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

Michael S. Kearns, Air Force Intelligence Officer (Ret.), Master SERE Resistance to Interrogation Instructor

John Kiriakou, Former CIA Counterterrorism Officer and former Senior Investigator, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Linda Lewis, WMD preparedness policy analyst, USDA (ret.)

Lisa Ling, TSgt USAF (ret.) (associate VIPS)

Edward Loomis, Jr., former NSA Technical Director for the Office of Signals Processing

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former U.S. Army Infantry/Intelligence officer and CIA analyst

Elizabeth Murray, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East, CIA

Coleen Rowley, FBI Special Agent and former Minneapolis Division Legal Counsel (ret.)

Cian Westmoreland, former USAF Radio Frequency Transmission Systems Technician and Unmanned Aircraft Systems whistleblower (Associate VIPS)

Kirk Wiebe, former Senior Analyst, SIGINT Automation Research Center, NSA

Sarah G. Wilton, Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.); Commander, US Naval Reserve (ret.)

Ann Wright, U.S. Army Reserve Colonel (ret) and former U.S. Diplomat

 

[Dark_Grey]

5 minutes ago, Solipsi Rai said:

Hillary Clinton is blamed for the hack, esp. she was strongly supported and promoted (despite her candidate neutrality) by DNC chairperson Debbie Wasserman Schultz. There's a large minority of Democrats wanted Bernie Sanders nominated instead of Clinton. I can't imagine what America would be like right now if Sanders was nominated...and elected president, instead of Donald Trump. 

If you love waiting in lines, you would love Sanders' America.

[Aquila King]

8 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

If you love waiting in lines, you would love Sanders' America.

I'm not here to necessarily defend Bernie Sanders, but the one thing I do seriously credit the guy for is in not being bought off by billionaires and big corporations.

[Space Commander Travis]

Just you watch, this will be a media sensation. It will be completely ignored by the Washington Psot, New York Times, CNN, HuffPost etc.  

[Space Commander Travis]

 

 

3 hours ago, Aquila King said:

The democratic establishment would rather escalate tensions with one of our greatest enemies,

Just wondering why you consider Russia your enemy?

[aztek]

9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

I'm not here to necessarily defend Bernie Sanders, but the one thing I do seriously credit the guy for is in not being bought off by billionaires and big corporations.

is that because he is such a strong character, or simply no one tried to buy him, due to him having no value for them. it was clear as day since he announced he is running, he had absolutely no chance to win over hillary, or trump. not to mention he is a socialist, something big corporations, and billionaires do not find appealing

Edited September 1, 2017 by aztek

[RoofGardener]

I'm a trifle skeptical of this article. The entire thing seems to be based on transfer speeds, as determined from "metadata".

What metadata ? Where did this "metadata" come from ?

For me, this is the key quotation from the linked article.

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The metadata established several facts in this regard with granular precision: On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

Where did THAT information come from ? I am not familiar with any method of determining how quickly data was copied... UNLESS YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL DESTINATION DEVICE (USB stick or server disks) that the data was copied ONTO.

I smell a rat !

**edit** there is a Wikipedia article on this, citing critics of the VIPS article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity#December_2016_and_July_2017_memos

A key phrase that resonates for me is...

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Brian Feldman, writing in the New York Magazine, criticized the report for relying on "the 'metadata' of 'locked files' that only [Forensicator] had access to" pointing out that these phrases were meaningless. Feldman described the claims in Patrick Lawrence's article as "too incoherent to even debunk" and criticized its use of "techno-gibberish".^[13]

(emphasis mine)

 

 

Edited September 1, 2017 by RoofGardener

[Aquila King]

2 hours ago, aztek said:

is that because he is such a strong character, or simply no one tried to buy him, due to him having no value for them. it was clear as day since he announced he is running, he had absolutely no chance to win over hillary, or trump. not to mention he is a socialist, something big corporations, and billionaires do not find appealing

 He was a Senator from Vermont that nobody knew anything about running against a political juggernaut Hillary Clinton, and yet he won 42 states in the primary, many of the ones he lost he almost won, and he remained over 10 points above Trump on average in the polls, and all of this was in spite of the DNC trying to rig everything against him.

What's clear to me is that win or lose, he struck a chord with the American people, and sent a clear signal to the democratic establishment that if a nobody Senator can nearly woop up on a celebrity politician such as her then he and his message should be taken very seriously. Besides, if it 'was clear as day' that he had absolutely no chance to win over Hillary, why'd the DNC go to such lengths to rig things against him? What's clear is that he had a serious chance of winning, and that frightened the establishment big time.

[Kurzweil]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

I'm a trifle skeptical of this article. The entire thing seems to be based on transfer speeds, as determined from "metadata".

What metadata ? Where did this "metadata" come from ?

For me, this is the key quotation from the linked article.

Where did THAT information come from ? I am not familiar with any method of determining how quickly data was copied... UNLESS YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL DESTINATION DEVICE (USB stick or server disks) that the data was copied ONTO.

I smell a rat !

**edit** there is a Wikipedia article on this, citing critics of the VIPS article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity#December_2016_and_July_2017_memos

A key phrase that resonates for me is...

(emphasis mine)

 

 

When I send files from my laptop to my computer or vice versa there's a log on both machines of everything that's taken place. I see nothing fishy there.

[aztek]

31 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

 He was a Senator from Vermont that nobody knew anything about running against a political juggernaut Hillary Clinton, and yet he won 42 states in the primary, many of the ones he lost he almost won, and he remained over 10 points above Trump on average in the polls, and all of this was in spite of the DNC trying to rig everything against him.

What's clear to me is that win or lose, he struck a chord with the American people, and sent a clear signal to the democratic establishment that if a nobody Senator can nearly woop up on a celebrity politician such as her then he and his message should be taken very seriously. Besides, if it 'was clear as day' that he had absolutely no chance to win over Hillary, why'd the DNC go to such lengths to rig things against him? What's clear is that he had a serious chance of winning, and that frightened the establishment big time.

lmao, he won 42% of the popular vote against clinton, not 42 states and he did not win anything over trump, he never even got to the point when he could. the actual election.

do you realize you wrote nonsense, or your plan was that i wont realize it?

he has one of the worst records

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2015

 

 

Edited September 1, 2017 by aztek

[Space Commander Travis]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

I'm a trifle skeptical of this article. The entire thing seems to be based on transfer speeds, as determined from "metadata".

What metadata ? Where did this "metadata" come from ?

For me, this is the key quotation from the linked article.

Where did THAT information come from ? I am not familiar with any method of determining how quickly data was copied... UNLESS YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL DESTINATION DEVICE (USB stick or server disks) that the data was copied ONTO.

I smell a rat !

**edit** there is a Wikipedia article on this, citing critics of the VIPS article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity#December_2016_and_July_2017_memos

A key phrase that resonates for me is...

(emphasis mine)

 

 

what, so it 's more plausible it was The Foul Russkies^(TM)? 

[RoofGardener]

2 hours ago, Kurzweil said:

When I send files from my laptop to my computer or vice versa there's a log on both machines of everything that's taken place. I see nothing fishy there.

Ahh... well.. that WOULD make a difference, Kurzweil. 

You see, on my systems, when I copy files from "computer A" to "Computer B", there is NO record of the copying activity on "Computer A". The ONLY forensics I have is the file attributes on "Computer B", stating the creation dates of the files. 

By looking at the timestamp on the FIRST copied file, and of the LAST, then - on "Computer B" - the RECEIVING computer.. I can make deductions about transfer rate. 

But NOTHING from "Computer A". 

Could you advise me on whereabouts this  transfer log is on the "sending" computer ? ("computer A" in this scenario ? )

Edited September 1, 2017 by RoofGardener

[RoofGardener]

2 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

what, so it 's more plausible it was The Foul Russkies^(TM)? 

( does "Spock" impersonation)

"Insufficient data, captain" < waggles ears > 

[Aquila King]

2 hours ago, aztek said:

lmao, he won 42% of the popular vote against clinton, not 42 states and he did not win anything over trump, he never even got to the point when he could. the actual election.

do you realize you wrote nonsense, or your plan was that i wont realize it?

Lol, 42 states...  Yeah, that was my mistake. I meant 42%. Brain fart.

I had to get up real early to go to the eye doctor this morning and was up till 4 or 5 in the morning. I'm posting on very little sleep which is kinda like posting drunk.  Just ignore me

[RoofGardener]

13 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Lol, 42 states...  Yeah, that was my mistake. I meant 42%. Brain fart.

I had to get up real early to go to the eye doctor this morning and was up till 4 or 5 in the morning. I'm posting on very little sleep which is kinda like posting drunk.  Just ignore me

off-topic perhaps but.... how did it go with the opticians ? 

[Dark_Grey]

39 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Ahh... well.. that WOULD make a difference, Kurzweil. 

You see, on my systems, when I copy files from "computer A" to "Computer B", there is NO record of the copying activity on "Computer A". The ONLY forensics I have is the file attributes on "Computer B", stating the creation dates of the files. 

By looking at the timestamp on the FIRST copied file, and of the LAST, then - on "Computer B" - the RECEIVING computer.. I can make deductions about transfer rate. 

But NOTHING from "Computer A". 

Could you advise me on whereabouts this  transfer log is on the "sending" computer ? ("computer A" in this scenario ? )

It may not be on the sending computer but it would be on the server as the server logs everything by design.

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someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network

A minute and a half to transfer 2GB of data does seem consistent with their analysis. While those speeds are not impossible over the internet, it would be impossible for a hacker to get that kind of speed - especially in RUSSIA 

Any hacker worth his salt would be hiding his true computer address behind at least one proxy server, located anywhere in the world. The information would have to leave the DNC network, travel to the proxy computer, then get routed to the hacker's computer. Most hackers would likely be behind several proxies which means the information is slowed down that much more. I find their analysis is definitely plausible.

[RoofGardener]

11 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

It may not be on the sending computer but it would be on the server as the server logs everything by design.

That seems a confusing response, Dark_Grey. If it is not on the "sending computer", then WHICH server logs are you reffering to ? 

When you say ".. as the server logs everything"... which type of server are you referring to ? I'm moderately familiar with Microsoft server software, and I am not aware that it has such logging capabilities AT ALL as a standard function of the operating system, let alone "by design". 

Could you elaborate ? 

 

Edited September 1, 2017 by RoofGardener

[Aquila King]

8 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

off-topic perhaps but.... how did it go with the opticians ? 

Oh it went great actually.  Thanks for asking. I've always had 20/20 vision, It just happens to be the season for weed allergies and I get them bad in the eyes. Usually need drops. Plus since my poor dog recently went blind, I figured I needed to check my own eyes out as well...

 

[+OverSword]

When you think of all the diplomatic tit-for tats, sanctions, accusations against Russia and then all of their retaliatory moves........All on behalf of one corrupt political party that I believe knew full well there was no Russian hack the entire time.....These people need to go.

[RoofGardener]

9 minutes ago, Aquila King said:

Oh it went great actually.  Thanks for asking. I've always had 20/20 vision, It just happens to be the season for weed allergies and I get them bad in the eyes. Usually need drops. Plus since my poor dog recently went blind, I figured I needed to check my own eyes out as well...

 

Sorry to hear about your dog, Aquila King, and about the allergies. But I'm glad your eyes are good  

How does the dog cope with blindness ? 

Actually, perhaps you could create a separate thread about that ? Otherwise we will get spanked by the moderators  

Or worse, "Helen of Annoy" will come and wave her tentacles at us !

We really would NOT want that to happen  

Edited September 1, 2017 by RoofGardener

[Dark_Grey]

22 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

That seems a confusing response, Dark_Grey. If it is not on the "sending computer", then WHICH server logs are you reffering to ? 

When you say ".. as the server logs everything"... which type of server are you referring to ? I'm moderately familiar with Microsoft server software, and I am not aware that it has such logging capabilities AT ALL as a standard function of the operating system, let alone "by design". 

Could you elaborate ?

Well, given that the VIPS team specifically referred to a computer "attached to the server or on the DNC LAN" we have to assume they are looking at Server or Firewall logs. If they were reading logs off the sending computer, they would have just named the actual computer. The wording they use to describe the offending computer leads me to believe they discovered it through network logs, not by looking through a specific machine. More than likely it was the firewall that logged the data transfer, now that I think about it.

Edit to add--

Just so we're on the same page here, it sounds like whatever files were taken came off the DNC server, not someone's personal PC. Hence why they were able to track this in the first place

Edited September 1, 2017 by Dark_Grey

[RoofGardener]

15 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

Well, given that the VIPS team specifically referred to a computer "attached to the server or on the DNC LAN" we have to assume they are looking at Server or Firewall logs.

Umm... not really Dark_Grey... their implication is an event WITHIN the DNC network.. hence the Firewall/Router would not be participating, and would not log anything. Anyway, what Router/Firewall logs routine file transfers ? 

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 If they were reading logs off the sending computer, they would have just named the actual computer. The wording they use to describe the offending computer leads me to believe they discovered it through network logs, not by looking through a specific machine. More than likely it was the firewall that logged the data transfer, now that I think about it.

See my first point. The thing here, Dark_Grey, is that NOTHING in the VIPS report actually makes any sense ? they refer exclusively to "file metadata", which does NOT include any information about the transfer process, other than the creation date of the files on the RECEIVING system. Wether that was a USB flash drive, or a network server.... how would the VIPS team have direct "chain of evidence" access to it ? 

To repeat... the VIPS article - as reported - makes no technical sense. 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2017 by RoofGardener