Aquila King Posted September 17, 2017 #301 Share Posted September 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, I'mConvinced said: Amen brother...err I mean well said! I find it funny how the word 'Amen' derives from the Egyptian Sun God 'Amen Ra', and yet Christians act as if it's their term. Completely oblivious to how their entire religion is founded on paganism basically. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 17, 2017 #302 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/14/2017 at 4:05 PM, papageorge1 said: My belief is based on a reasoned analysis of the overall quantity, quality and consistency of the evidence and not on any marquee cases . Any particular case can be argued and obfuscated into infinity; not going there. No it is based on no reason no analysis just plain old gullibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 17, 2017 #303 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 6:51 PM, papageorge1 said: What about totally out off the blue sightings, multiple independent witnesses, physical phenomena, etc.. Not everything fits in an hallucination theory. Like most theories, the theory accounts for some, but not all. Back to the old and tired residualization story. Where is this residue you hint exists? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 17, 2017 #304 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 7:04 PM, papageorge1 said: An intelligently considered body of anecdotal evidence and argumentation can affect my worldview. That's why you are so gullible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 17, 2017 #305 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/16/2017 at 1:11 AM, papageorge1 said: Who determined that? original post On 9/15/2017 at 9:43 PM, Merc14 said: You never objectively consider things. Never. The answer is your own posts papageorge1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 17, 2017 #306 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/16/2017 at 1:29 PM, papageorge1 said: Overshadowed by those directly involved scientists saying they do not seem to be manufactured human hands. You are using known frauds as your "directly involved" people. What a failure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 17, 2017 #307 Share Posted September 17, 2017 On 9/16/2017 at 3:26 PM, papageorge1 said: The prize is not applicable to people having non-reproducible experiences. The prize is about people doing something paranormal before judges. Which is another subject in itself. People that experienced a coincidence or had a misunderstanding is all you got then. Figures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 17, 2017 #308 Share Posted September 17, 2017 4 hours ago, I'mConvinced said: It's definitely an appeal to authority, just not his own this time. In this case the authority is the reliability and credibility of his witnesses. I guess by using only his own judgement in the matter it's also an appeal to his own authority at the same time. As with everything Papa says he can't back the claims he makes either way. Anecdotal evidence is all he has and it's the best we'll get. From now on I'll point out logical flaws but I'm not entering another debate without Papa presenting something substantive to talk about. Frankly, I don't believe there is all of this anecdotal evidence. I think he is making that up. There is never anything posted just a single anecdote from papageorge1 that there are many such stories. I see no reason at all to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted September 17, 2017 #309 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Aquila King said: I find it funny how the word 'Amen' derives from the Egyptian Sun God 'Amen Ra', and yet Christians act as if it's their term. Completely oblivious to how their entire religion is founded on paganism basically. That's actually not correct. It's derived from the Hebrew "aman", which has no evidenced relationship to Egyptian other than a sonic coincidence... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mConvinced Posted September 17, 2017 #310 Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, ChrLzs said: That's actually not correct. It's derived from the Hebrew "aman", which has no evidenced relationship to Egyptian other than a sonic coincidence... I learned things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 18, 2017 #311 Share Posted September 18, 2017 10 hours ago, Merc14 said: "I am a very good judge of character and I believe this person is genuine and honest, therefore I accept his fantastical story as true." The above is an example of something you've written (not verbatim) on this forum many times, so what would you call the above? Hilarious. Very not verbatim to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 18, 2017 #312 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, stereologist said: No it is based on no reason no analysis just plain old gullibility. I claim it is based on solid objective reasoning not successfully refuted yet on this forum! I am dead serious. Edited September 18, 2017 by papageorge1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 18, 2017 #313 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: I claim it is based on solid objective reasoning not successfully refuted yet on this forum! I am dead serious. You use unsound reasoning based on anecdotes to come up with what you already believe. There actually is little to nothing to refute. You first need to provide something to refute. Still waiting. You support frauds such as Geller and Maussan. You pretend there is some evidence out there and do not present it. Pointing out laughable commentary is not the same as refuting. Edited September 18, 2017 by stereologist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 18, 2017 #314 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, ChrLzs said: That's actually not correct. It's derived from the Hebrew "aman", which has no evidenced relationship to Egyptian other than a sonic coincidence... Everyone knows it's supposed to be Ramen. Edited September 18, 2017 by ChaosRose 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 18, 2017 #315 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Never be afraid to share your opinions with others, no matter how outlandish they are. Just remember that someone once said in a meeting: "Let's make a movie about a tornado full of sharks." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted September 18, 2017 #316 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) On 9/17/2017 at 4:12 AM, Aquila King said: I would make a case for some like Rupert Sheldrake and others, but I'm sure you consider him to be among these 'hoaxers' as well. Well, from my point of view.. I know Sheldrake's 'work' rather well. I wouldn't call him a hoaxer, but I would call him a poor researcher, gullible, biased, and a collector of anecdotes (all of which he believes are accurate and unquestionable, apparently). Some time ago I offered to do a reasonably comprehensive appraisal/review of one of his books, and of course the obvious one is Dogs That Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home. Note that I own a copy of this book (paid $2 on ebay!), so yes, I have read it, carefully ... Maybe now is the time to get off my lazy posterior and do that. I was actually hoping to be at least impressed by some parts of his book, but, sadly, no. It's awful. Non-scientific, completely ignores multiple possibilities that would explain the dogs behavior... even if we were to accept the anecdotes exactly at face value, Sheldrake doesn't bother to think about all the things that might cause this behavior. Then there's the question of why we would just accept these stories - virtually none of them are documented/evidenced in any proper way and what's even worse, most have been sent to Sheldrake precisely because these owners love their dogs to death and think they are special... It is Confirmation Bias and Cherry Picking (and several other logical fallacies) at their hideous worst... Anyway, you could say I am biased against Mr Sheldrake and the paranormal, but then again, I am very happy to quote him in detail and precisely point out all the flaws in his studies - would you be interested in participating in such a thread, AK? Last time I brought this up, there weren't too many folks enthused. I'd be delighted to hear opinions and comments/criticisms from both sides, and you'd be surprised how polite I can be if the debate is done in good faith.. Quote It's easy for many to dismiss the scientists we disagree with simply because we disagree with them. I'd like to think I differ a little, in that I have a pretty good idea of not only what good science is, but why it is done in a particular way. (Immodestly) I'm really good at spotting those that are doing the wrong thing, and am always happy to explain why and debate it.. Edited September 18, 2017 by ChrLzs Bad Gramma! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted September 18, 2017 #317 Share Posted September 18, 2017 11 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Hilarious. Very not verbatim to say the least. What is hilarious is you don't recognize one of your signature phrases. Doesn't matter, everyone else does and their opinion of you goes down even more with this silly response. If I cared enough about what you have to say I'd dig up all the times you made this stupid declaration but what would be the point? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 18, 2017 #318 Share Posted September 18, 2017 11 hours ago, ChrLzs said: would you be interested in participating in such a thread, AK? Last time I brought this up, there weren't too many folks enthused. I'd be delighted to hear opinions and comments/criticisms from both sides, and you'd be surprised how polite I can be if the debate is done in good faith.. Sure, sounds good. Though I might suggest we open the topic up a little broader to encompass any scientists who go against the mainstream. I don't exactly know how it would be set up, but, oh well. We'll figure somethin' out. Although I will say I'm not a fan of long drawn out debates, because there's always an inevitable point one reaches where we both end up repeating the same talking points, and repeating myself is a bit of a pet-peeve of mine. I'm more of a say it one-an-done kinda guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelpast Posted September 23, 2017 #319 Share Posted September 23, 2017 as I've said..theres no need to prove your special ability for money. because your ability worth much more than the money. and proving it will actually harm you. thats common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 23, 2017 #320 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 hour ago, michaelpast said: as I've said..theres no need to prove your special ability for money. because your ability worth much more than the money. and proving it will actually harm you. thats common sense. Then how do we or even they/you(?) know that you know if you have a 'special ability' if it can not be honestly validated? On 9/17/2017 at 1:44 PM, Aquila King said: I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of 'intuition' in certain cases Intuition is a psychological function that comes from the subconscious. I'm intuitive and my intuition revolves around people. It's about subconsciously noticing subtle body ques and making assessments of the person. Be they friend or threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 23, 2017 #321 Share Posted September 23, 2017 On 9/18/2017 at 8:54 AM, Merc14 said: What is hilarious is you don't recognize one of your signature phrases. Doesn't matter, everyone else does and their opinion of you goes down even more with this silly response. If I cared enough about what you have to say I'd dig up all the times you made this stupid declaration but what would be the point? Hey, "Show me the evidence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted September 23, 2017 #322 Share Posted September 23, 2017 7 hours ago, michaelpast said: as I've said..theres no need to prove your special ability for money. because your ability worth much more than the money. and proving it will actually harm you. thats common sense. Of course, common sense. Can I ask how it would harm you to use your special powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted September 24, 2017 #323 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) On 23/09/2017 at 7:06 PM, michaelpast said: as I've said..theres no need to prove your special ability for money. Or to share it with humanity - what a load of utterly selfish mongrels they must be, to want to keep it to themselves. Oh wait, or could it be because they don't have the abilities they claim (perhaps even really think) they have, and would rather make lame one line posts pretending to be secwut superheroes.... Quote because your ability worth much more than the money. Indeed, who cares about the money? Oh wait, that would be those who charge for their services, or run ad-supported YT channels.. And yes, one shouldn't be motivated by money - one should be thinking of the future of our planet and those who live upon it. Please re-read the first sentence I wrote above. Quote and proving it will actually harm you. Really? The MIB will come get you? How is it that those who were tested by the CIA (and failed) all survived and lived on? Gosh our ebil gubmint is so incompetent. But no, really, please elaborate - how will it harm you? And answer the most basic of questions - shouldn't this power be shared? (Hint - the answer is Yes, IF IT DAM WELL EXISTED...) Quote thats common sense. ???? Really ? ...So detail it, using simple language for us lesser mortals without the gift..... Edited September 24, 2017 by ChrLzs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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