Does Real Magic Actually Exist?

[I'mConvinced]

27 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Well its quite easy, if you setup up a relationship between two objects you can deduce information on one by examining the other. Even if they become far apart. 

While I agree with your post I have to disagree that it's easy to understand even this aspect of quantum mechanics.  The average person (me) can grasp the basics but you really do need many years of study and just the right kind of brain for a deeper understanding.

For example, it was my understanding that quantum entanglement was related only to the 'spin' of the particle and that a change in the 'spin' of one would mean an equal, yet opposite, change in the 'spin' of the other? (particles don't rotate btw).  It is often stated that entangled particles share all of their physical properties but only spin ever gets mentioned.  Are we lacking the experiemental data or is my understanding flawed? (most likely).  Dig a little further and the whole subject just becomes plain weird, things don't exist but do, super-posed states of matter, 10 dimension, 11 dimensions, unlimited dimensions, all pervasive energy fields, matter and anti-matter popping into existence and instantly annihilating itself again...and this is just the 'obvious' stuff.

 

[Rlyeh]

4 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Well its quite easy, if you setup up a relationship between two objects you can deduce information on one by examining the other. Even if they become far apart. 

The difference is what people think is going on when we describe an object as behaving as a probability. Most assume its just a phrase to use when we dont have information on an object to figure out its outcome. They dont think that all of its out-comes co-exist until that information is acquired collapsing them all to leave just one behind.

If they reframe it all then they realise information gained on one object selects (or narrows down) what the outcome for the second object can be.

Let me finish by pointing out that ideas like the multi-verse (all outcomes co-existing for things behaving as probabilities) are not limited to modern Quantum Mechanics. Have a look into Judeo-Christian or Islamic mysticism. The ideas are 1000s of years old with logical reasoning behind why they also thought they existed. Or just get yourself a decent book on the occult.

Really, more quantum woo?

[Duke Wellington]

4 hours ago, I'mConvinced said:

While I agree with your post I have to disagree that it's easy to understand even this aspect of quantum mechanics.  The average person (me) can grasp the basics but you really do need many years of study and just the right kind of brain for a deeper understanding.

For example, it was my understanding that quantum entanglement was related only to the 'spin' of the particle and that a change in the 'spin' of one would mean an equal, yet opposite, change in the 'spin' of the other? (particles don't rotate btw).  It is often stated that entangled particles share all of their physical properties but only spin ever gets mentioned.  Are we lacking the experiemental data or is my understanding flawed? (most likely).  Dig a little further and the whole subject just becomes plain weird, things don't exist but do, super-posed states of matter, 10 dimension, 11 dimensions, unlimited dimensions, all pervasive energy fields, matter and anti-matter popping into existence and instantly annihilating itself again...and this is just the 'obvious' stuff.

 

Quantum mechanics says that when you have no information on an object then you can only talk about probabilities. But (and this is what comes as a surprise to many) each of those possibilities co-exist. The physicists have experiments which prove it. And its the act of gaining information that ends all the possibilities except one which then goes on to become the outcome left behind.

Ideas of the multiverse, or parallel universes, or extra dimensions (which all amount to the same thing) are not new to quantum mechanics. They go back 1000s of years and exist in many types of mysticism including the Judeo-Christian and Islamic ones. Its also at the centre of the occult and why people in the Middle Ages believed in things like voodoo, magic and witch-craft.

The establishing of a relationship between two objects such that gaining information on one tells you information on the other is called the Law of Contact in the occult. Quantum Mechanics calls it Quantum Entanglement. Of course, with both objects behaving as a probability then the outcome for the one you gain information on transfers to the other object too. That is called voodoo or to avoid such a far-out label Quantum Teleportation:

http://sciencegeist.net/science-du-jour-quantum-teleportation-explained-its-voodoo/

The debate currently going on is how to ensure objects are behaving quantum mechanically to you to begin with. Doing so means it needs to be isolated well enough from you so that no information is leaking from it to you. Thats easy to do with a single atom because the amount of information its leaks out into the surrounding environment is miniscule. A person is made out of trillions upon trillions of atoms though so isolating one from you well enough to prevent information leaking from them to you is currently beyond the ability of physics.

There is the possibility of chilling someone down to absolute zero so they have no energy to leak out. This is doable now but would also kill them. We could wait fifty years and make a chamber out of meta-materials to dampen down the amount of information that could leak through its walls.

Or we could go the Voodoo High Priest route and isolate our minds from both objects (the one to have information gained upon it, and the one that you want the outcome to teleport too) by putting yourself in a trance. Then do your information gaining. 

Finally I find it funny how Voodoo treats Identical Twins as something special. Its because when you spend enough time dwelling on them to determine what you can find out about one using the other you uncover all of the above. Without needing a modern physics laboratory!

Edited September 22, 2017 by RabidMongoose

[Rlyeh]

8 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Ideas of the multiverse, or parallel universes, or extra dimensions (which all amount to the same thing) are not new to quantum mechanics. They go back 1000s of years and exist in many types of mysticism including the Judeo-Christian and Islamic ones. Its also at the centre of the occult and why people in the Middle Ages believed in things like voodoo, magic and witch-craft.

Only that they don't mean the same thing. Extra dimensions isn't the same as another universe, nor does it add credence to superstition.

 

8 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

There is the possibility of chilling someone down to absolute zero so they have no energy to leak out. This is doable now but would also kill them. We could wait fifty years and make a chamber out of meta-materials to dampen down the amount of information that could leak through its walls.

Someone has apparently never heard of superconductors.

 

8 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Or we could go the Shamanic route and isolate our minds from both objects (the one to have information gained upon it, and the one that you want the outcome to teleport too) by putting yourself in a trance. Then do your information gaining.

Is that how you come up with these fantasy claims?

[Aquila King]

@RabidMongoose

I've stated this elsewhere but I'll state it here again, I typically try to avoid discussions in regards to quantum mechanics, because it just makes things incredibly confusing since essentially no one understands it fully...  Not saying you're wrong, just that I personally don't use that sorta thing in debates.

That said, I at least commend you for thinking it through that thoroughly and presenting it all in a precise manner, so thumbs up to that.

[Mr Walker]

On 21/09/2017 at 9:25 PM, I'mConvinced said:

 

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It is the logical thing to do.  Essentially you are telling me that something flying shone a light on you.  From there you make the 'logical' leap to advanced alien beings travelling the vast interstallar distances to cure your addiction to nicotine...

Yes it is logical for one who has no evidences of such things for themselves to disbelieve That does not make it right. Nor does it make it logical, if you have such  evidences.

Once something is established as a real physical event, with real physical consequences, then one must use logic and best evidences to explain what occurred.

I was an atheist at the time so did not consider god etc but, given prior contact with the universal consciousness and being a big fan of the original star trek, matter transmission and advanced medical treatment seem possible.  

The light was real and witnessed by others My addiction to nicotine was removed and so were all side effects of withdrawal.

 Your difficulty comes in accepting the physical reality of the event  

Given it was real and as described, how would you explain it?  

Oh and it was not a flying light. it was a cylindrical light about 2.5 metres tall and a metre in diametre.

It materialised about a metre from my body and from memory sat on the ground its light lit up a very large area as bright as day so that i could see fruit on fruit trees and a toy cars on the front lawn  it lasted probably less than 3 minutes in total although i want really measuring time i was too busy listening and observing so that i could check evidences later on in the day light.   it was too bright to look directly at or into, and  it was an intense fluorescent light  The voice which was masculine authoritarian and totally convincing, came from within the cylinder.  and was within a normal conversational volume. 

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In no way is this a logical explanation.

Why on earth not? You don't consider it logical because you do not believe it could happen.

Accept it happened and then try to find logical explanations.

 it is not logical to assume something is impossible because you do not believe it to be, or because you have no personal experience with it.

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t cannot be proven, most mental disorders go completely undiagnosed as there are no ways to diagnose them or even definitions for some of them.  This is especially true of the type of disorder I think you may have.  Even scans of your brain (with current tech) cannot tell for sure if you are suffering with a mental illness.  Please explain in detail which clinical assessments you had and which tests they used to make the conclusions they did.  Why did you go for assessment in the first place and when?  

. This is not true Mental illness is just like a physical illness. there are professional criteria and parameters for different illnesses, certain established symptoms etc  Increasingly there ar e sophisticated distinctions between varieties and shades of illness and in treatments applied

Scans show if there is any neurological cause for an illness but many illness are psychological or chemical  in nature

When i get symptoms indicative of heart disease i get checked out by specialists. When i get symptoms indicative of  a tumour or cancer i get checked out by those experts.

And so when i had this encounter with a being who removed my addiction to nicotine i naturally went to a number of specialists .The results after several days of interviews and testing? Their unanimous consensus   was that t i was highly integrated with reality  ad highly competent at observing perceiving and interpreting external realities. That i had a high internal level of self awareness and consciousness and that, as a consequence , I was  highly functional   and had no discernable signs of any illness  from delusion to hallucination  etc  

One actually said that the y get a number of such narratives, which are clearly real and not hallucinations and that they pass no judgement on the nature of them. It is their job to ascertain a client's abilities and skills to be able to ascertain reality from unreality and how they are able to integrate and function   For example i explained to them the tests and evidences  i used to ascertain that this was an independently real  event. I explained how and why my background   suggested to me that this was an example of some form of matter transmission i explained that i did not know how i was healed, but that i no longer had any craving for, nor any withdrawal symptoms from, smoking   

None of this surprised me a sI had been studying the mind and consciousness for a long time and had already completed several years of psychology a t uni  

Over the years, as a health measure, but also out of personal and professional interest, i have consulted with some of the best professionals in australia Not only has none ever discovered even the slightest hint of mental illness but never in my adult life have i even been depressed.  Which is unusual in itself.  I have an extremely developed cognitive system which has enabled me to develop  skills and mechanisms by which i have control of my mind and body so that i do not experience fear or anger  or anxiety, or hate or depression  I also discussed that  with the experts and how i developed them consciously over the years since childhood  

Tests included long interviews plus things like visual perception tests, and tests similar to ,but more sophisticated than the rorschach test  to examine my perception actual  things.  There were visual acuity tests to test observation and interpretation.  Today you would call it a bio psycho social  assessment and it would use specific tests wit  acronyms for labels But things haven't really changed that much 

I think you are grasping for straws Ie you need to believe that such things MUST be delusions or hallucinations because the thought they might be real is terrifying.. 

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hy do you spend a lot of time discussing woo with psychologists? Why are psychologists better placed to judge anything outside of the mind (as you claim this is)? Or do they have great insight because this is all in the mind? 

Hopefully i have answered this above. These are the clinical specialists one sees for a health assessment   A wise person would get assessments done just as they do cardiac assessments They have specific tests and techniques ( again similar to those i have been using since childhood ) to test whether a person is seeing something which actually exists or not and to assess how accurately a person is interpreting and perceiving the nature of that which the y observe.   They can assess a person's abilty to observe record and interpret objectively rather than subjectively

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Objective ones?

.  the tests are standardised  and  are used professionally I was trained to think objectively and measure and assess data objectively.   So, as objectively as is possible.  SOme people argue that humans are innately incapable of objective assessment but this is untrue it is simply a learned skill.  It just means measuring and comparing the physical parameters of an object. ( in this case of myself ) 

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You cannot objectively evaluate yourself and reach any meaningful conclusion.  This is akin to saying "I'm not mad, the rest of the world is! How do I know? I checked myself and found I wasn't mad".

Actually of course you can, just as you can diagnose that you are blind or have a heart problem  

Mental illnesses, as I said earlier, have objective clinical symptoms. These can be see /observed measured and assessed, objectively.   There may be some cases where the problem is so minor that it goes undetected but that is acceptable (like minor vision impairment or hearing loss)  because it thus is having no discernable effect on the patient's life or well being

of course this means that you have to have the education, skills and abilities to know the symptoms and to be able to identify them.  

I diagnosed myself and had my diagnosis clinically confirmed by other professionals. And of course that is what i would say to another, whether it is a physical illness or a mental one, get expert professional advice and act on it  

Edited September 23, 2017 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

On 21/09/2017 at 9:37 PM, I'mConvinced said:

What about those imprisoned in their own mind by mental illness? Thier walls and chains are 'just perceptions' but their effects are real enough.  I now realise I am free but only because the drug allows me to see that.  When I stop taking it I return to a depressive state that alters my perception of 'reality'.  It doesn't matter how intelligent you are you can't out think it and it is subtle, oh so very subtle.

You haven't experienced it (or at least release from it and return to it) and so you don't understand that what you are saying is nonsense, to me at the very least.  I'm surprised someone with a background in Psychology wouldn't recognise this.

I almost always use terms like a properly functioning mind  for this very reason A non properly functioning mind is ill and thus lacks both the skills and competencies to evaluate and make logical conclusions. My key words in this post were "once you realise this"  An unwell mind cannot from that realisation,  and thus cannot free itself. 

Of course you have just confirmed my basic point Just a s a mind can set us free form physical constraints like a prison or other environment, a mind is capable of constructing the most unbreakable chains and impenetrable walls,because the y are constructs of belief.

I am lucky to have had basically perfect mental health all my life.

In some senses clinical depression caused by a drug imbalance is both nastier but easier to treat than a depression or other mental  other illness caused by psycho- social, environmental factors.

This discussion always  arises from a comment on my own sanity  Thus i    always respond from my own experience A well and rational  adult mind can always discern reality from unreality  given a few skills and a bit of background knowledge, but a mind trapped within a world caused by a mental illness does not have this ability  

I suspect that will and discipline can help,  ONCE you can discern what is real and what is not  I mean i choose my emotional and mental  states of mind  and construct any one i want or choose or feel i need..   

Edited September 23, 2017 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

On 21/09/2017 at 9:49 PM, I'mConvinced said:

They feel the need because you make wild claims backed by no evidence.  You are a very orinary human, who by his own definition, has been selected for special treatment by a race of Aliens who cured you of smoking so you could make and give away more money. Not only this but you've been in touch with them since childhood and know/understand their plans for humanity.  You even know they are putting restrictions on where we can go and what we can acheive, according to you.

Yep, completely ordinary and normal.

No this does not explain personal comments  Why not simply deny the credibility of the narrative.  Of course i am normal (or generally within normal range)   But i do have a few rare and exceptional  abilities and a few weaknesses.)

 Every claim i have made on um and every story i have told is as true as i can make it   If i was normal as you  claim, why would others disbelieve, or deny, these normal (to me) realities? 

To put it another way, why would any truly normal human being ever venture onto a site like this?   Wouldn't the y be out having sex drinking beer and playing competitive sport.

My point is that all humans have similar abilities and potentials.  We chose to limit ourselves in many ways for many reasons  To me projecting my consciousness, speed reading,  controlled lucid dreaming,  finding lost objects communicating with and through the cosmic consciousness, reading several books a day, etc  IS a part of my normal life.  It thus seems to me, that it could also be a part of ANY human beings life because i am a normal human being not genetically or biologically different to any other  Not physically or mentally very different to the norm. .   

[I'mConvinced]

5 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

No this does not explain personal comments  Why not simply deny the credibility of the narrative

It does. People deny your narrative in the first instance and ask for proof that isn't forthcoming. You then wave them off and carry on as if your position is proven. 

It's impossible to hold a debate with someone who's best argument is "I know because I know".

I'll address the other points later.

[Mr Walker]

19 minutes ago, I'mConvinced said:

It does. People deny your narrative in the first instance and ask for proof that isn't forthcoming. You then wave them off and carry on as if your position is proven. 

It's impossible to hold a debate with someone who's best argument is "I know because I know".

I'll address the other points later.

But then they continue to attack my sanity, truthfulness, sobriety, purpose etc.

it is as if they MUST disprove my credibility in order to discredit the narrative.   ,

None of this is relevant to a post.  Just say "you"  don't believe me. I find that quite understandable. But don't try to psychoanalyze me as being needy due to an abusive childhood or having a narcissistic personality disorder etc.

My position IS proven and correct TO ME and so i will always defend it strongly because not only the point i am trying to make,  but my truthfulness and probity are  riding on it.

  Obviously there is no way i can prove personal experiences to another, but so what ? Again just say something like, " i dont believe you"  That is a valid opinion

 "you are a pathological liar" " you cant tell reality from non reality"  "  You are mentally unwell. You have a personality craving attention due to childhood trauma" etc.,  are all  not just untrue  but also  insulting. 

The truth is  much simpler.  I tell the truth as best as i can interpret and describe it   My purpose is to tell people these things BECAUSE they are real, and could happen to anyone.  Because you dont believe they are real, and i am telling the truth, you are obliged to attribute OTHER motivations to my narratives. Dont bother.  They are always wrong and mostly designed to attack me.

You here refers to a number of posters, not you, specifically       

Edited September 23, 2017 by Mr Walker

[Duke Wellington]

14 minutes ago, I'mConvinced said:

It does. People deny your narrative in the first instance and ask for proof that isn't forthcoming. You then wave them off and carry on as if your position is proven. 

It's impossible to hold a debate with someone who's best argument is "I know because I know".

I'll address the other points later.

Not people, certain people. Most of us are open minded enough to consider the possibility of the paranormal existing but some have already made their minds up. Hiding behind the `I wont believe anything you see unless you provide evidence argument` might be your comfort blanket to hold onto but the person who has had a paranormal experience isn't interested in listening to it.

Go talk to old people dying. 99% of people change their minds when they get to that stage in life. Ask them why?

Edited September 23, 2017 by RabidMongoose

[I'mConvinced]

53 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

An unwell mind cannot from that realisation,  and thus cannot free itself. 

54 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

I am lucky to have had basically perfect mental health all my life.

According to yourself, how would you know? The least well diagnosed medical conditions are all mental issues. You dodged ALL of my previous posts regarding how you know you are sane.

43 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

To put it another way, why would any truly normal human being ever venture onto a site like this?   Wouldn't the y be out having sex drinking beer and playing competitive sport.

Because mystery is exciting? This bit of your post says everything about you and nothing about the rest of us. Those examples you chose for normal...wow.

46 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

To me projecting my consciousness, speed reading,  controlled lucid dreaming,  finding lost objects communicating with and through the cosmic consciousness, reading several books a day, etc

I can do all of these things. Not one of them is magical, special or gifted by aliens. Can you not see, at all, why people constantly question your sanity? I've admitted to suffering with a mental illness and yet no one has questioned my sanity. Maybe because I don't post incredible claims with no supporting evidence?

[I'mConvinced]

55 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Go talk to old people dying. 99% of people change their minds when they get to that stage in life. Ask them why?

Not sure of the relevance of this? Ask fearful people why they chose to think things that lessen their fear in the most terrifying part of their lives? I think I might know the answer to this one.

55 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Hiding behind the `I wont believe anything you see unless you provide evidence argument`

Given what I know about people and the things they lie about I absolutely demand evidence to support a claim before I believe it. If you choose to accept everything people say as truth, without evidence, then good for you. We can't have a debate though as it's a ridiculous starting point.

55 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

the person who has had a paranormal experience isn't interested in listening to it.

Not true. The ones that want their 'paranormal' experience to fit their worldview won't listen. I've successfully managed to explain lots of 'paranormal' stuff to 'experiencers' and many of those people have accepted the explanation. 

[I'mConvinced]

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

The truth is  much simpler.  I tell the truth as best as i can interpret and describe it   My purpose is to tell people these things BECAUSE they are real, and could happen to anyone.

And because you tell people they are real and true, when there is no evidence to suggest such, people argue against you. 

If you said 'personal opinion' instead of 'truth' you might get the responses you want. However, you have an agenda and that agenda is to confirm your worldview.

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

Because you dont believe they are real, and i am telling the truth, you are obliged to attribute OTHER motivations to my narratives. Dont bother.  They are always wrong and mostly designed to attack me.

Because you dont believe my unsupported opinions are real, and i self certify that i am telling the truth, people logically attribute OTHER motivations to my narratives. Don't bother as my mind is made up and not open for debate.  They are always wrong  (because I'm always right) and mostly designed to attack me (because I left no other room for debate).

If you had said the above I don't think you'd be questioned. It just wouldn't look as good as you would like it to. Isn't that just the problem with facts and truth.

[Truthseeker007]

On ‎9‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 9:24 PM, Aquila King said:

 

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mag·ic

ˈmajik/  

noun

noun: magic

1. 1.

   the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

   "do you believe in magic?"

   synonyms:

   sorcery, witchcraft, wizardry, necromancy, enchantment, the supernatural, occultism, the occult, black magic, the black arts, voodoo, hoodoo, mojo, shamanism; More charm, hex, spell, jinx; pixie dust, fairy dust "do you believe in magic?"

   • mysterious tricks, such as making things disappear and appear again, performed as entertainment.

     synonyms:

     conjuring tricks, sleight of hand, legerdemain, illusion, prestidigitation "he does magic at children's parties"

   • a quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, especially in a way that gives delight.

     "the magic of the theater"

     synonyms:

     allure, attraction, excitement, fascination, charm, glamour "the magic of the stage"

   • informal

     something that has a delightfully unusual quality.

     "their seaside town is pure magic"

adjective

adjective: magic

1. 1.

   used in magic or working by magic; having or apparently having supernatural powers.

   "a magic wand"

   synonyms:

   supernatural, enchanted, occult "a magic spell"

   • very effective in producing results, especially desired ones.

     "confidence is the magic ingredient needed to spark recovery"
2. 2.

   informal

   wonderful; exciting.

   "what a magic moment"

   synonyms:

   fascinating, captivating, charming, glamorous, magical, enchanting, entrancing, spellbinding, magnetic, irresistible, hypnotic More "a magic place" marvelous, wonderful, excellent, admirable; informalterrific, fabulous, brilliant "we were magic together"

verb

verb: magic; 3rd person present: magics; past tense: magicked; past participle: magicked; gerund or present participle: magicking

1. 1.

   move, change, or create by or as if by magic.

   "he must have been magicked out of the car at the precise second it exploded"

Origin

 

late Middle English (also in the sense ‘a magical procedure’): from Old French magique, from Latin magicus (adjective), late Latin magica (noun), from Greek magikē (tekhnē ) ‘(art of) a magus’: magi were regarded as magicians.

 

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magic (adj.)

late 14c., from Old French magique, from Latin magicus "magic, magical," from Greek magikos, from magike (see magic (n.)). Magic carpet first attested 1816. Magic Marker (1951) is a registered trademark (U.S.) by Speedry Products, Inc., Richmond Hill, N.Y. Magic lantern "optical instrument whereby a magnified image is thrown upon a wall or screen" is 1690s, from Modern Latin laterna magica.

magic (v.)

1906, from magic (n.).

magic (n.)

late 14c., "art of influencing events and producing marvels using hidden natural forces," from Old French magique "magic, magical," from Late Latin magice "sorcery, magic," from Greek magike (presumably with tekhne "art"), fem. of magikos "magical," from magos "one of the members of the learned and priestly class," from Old Persian magush, which is possibly from PIE root *magh- "to be able, have power."

Transferred sense of "legerdemain, optical illusion, etc." is from 1811. Displaced Old English wiccecræft (see witch); also drycræft, from dry "magician," from Irish drui "priest, magician" (see druid).

 

 

Now, it doesn't matter what you call it, it's gone by many names. For the sake of simplicity, I'll just call it 'Magic'.

 

What I'm referring to is some sort of mysterious energy or force that exists, that has the power to influence or possibly completely warp reality in accordance with the user's will.

 

I'm personally very interested in this topic, as in my personal opinion if there is something spiritual that exists in the universe, then it isn't that much of a stretch for magic to (possibly) exist as well.

 

And if magic does exist, what is it? And how does it work? What resources are available out there? What do we need to learn or do to practice such a craft?

 

Your thoughts?

Well yes magic does exist. I guess one simple answer is mind over matter and imagination. One very simple exercise you can do to see how powerful your mind is. Go outside when there are clouds and pick a cloud. If it is a small cloud you can make it disappear by focusing on it. If it is a bigger cloud you can break it apart into pieces. Now of coarse making your body float would be a bit harder but it can be done. There are certain frequencies you can use to move say a 10 ton rock but I don't know if you would consider that magic. Some say that is how the pyramids were built by using sound frequencies. There is also a thing called Alchemy.

[Wes4747]

6 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Well yes magic does exist. I guess one simple answer is mind over matter and imagination. One very simple exercise you can do to see how powerful your mind is. Go outside when there are clouds and pick a cloud. If it is a small cloud you can make it disappear by focusing on it. If it is a bigger cloud you can break it apart into pieces. Now of coarse making your body float would be a bit harder but it can be done. There are certain frequencies you can use to move say a 10 ton rock but I don't know if you would consider that magic. Some say that is how the pyramids were built by using sound frequencies. There is also a thing called Alchemy.

Well then, there it is. Care to elaborate?

You insinuate mind power, in fact, can manipulate matter, no? 

You have verification of levitation? Technique? Proofs?

Thanks in advance!

[WoIverine]

Does magic exist? I guess that really depends on you.

A somewhat interesting observation, If you were to look at various blockbuster films, i.e. Dr. Strange, the Matrix, etc. The main characters attempt to manipulate the underlying code of their respective universe(s) through various means.

You could even take that a step further by looking into references relating to the power of words. Biblical texts refer to God literally speaking everything into existence. Then later, the apostle Paul also taught about avoiding all forms of negative speech.

Edited October 16, 2017 by WoIverine

[Truthseeker007]

2 minutes ago, Wes4747 said:

Well then, there it is. Care to elaborate?

You insinuate mind power, in fact, can manipulate matter, no? 

You have verification of levitation? Technique? Proofs?

Thanks in advance!

Albert Einstein once said that “reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one”.

Well here is a little article I just found when I typed in for you. "You insinuate mind power, in fact, can manipulate matter, no?"

The power of thoughts is perhaps stronger than most people realize. Scientists’ interest in the subject is increasing and quantum physics is rapidly gaining popularity among non-physicists.Quantum physics study of the behavior of matter and energy at the molecular, atomic, nuclear, and even smaller microscopic levels.

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/use-your-mind-to-change-reality-it-is-easier-than-you-think/

How To Use The Power Of The Mind To Make Clouds Disappear –

http://www.tanahoy.com/psychic-development/power-mind/

Have you ever heard of the yogis and levitation? Just type that in on your search engine and you will find some verification. Here is just one:

http://www.amazingabilities.com/amaze8a.html

I hope this helps a little bit and your welcome:)

 

 

[Aquila King]

On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 3:31 PM, Truthseeker007 said:

One very simple exercise you can do to see how powerful your mind is. Go outside when there are clouds and pick a cloud. If it is a small cloud you can make it disappear by focusing on it. If it is a bigger cloud you can break it apart into pieces.

How To Use The Power Of The Mind To Make Clouds Disappear –

http://www.tanahoy.com/psychic-development/power-mind/

LOL. You are so reminding me of this:

Sorry dude, but cloud changing psychokinesis is a load of BS. I support the idea of mind-over-matter metaphysical effects and whatnot, but it has to be taken seriously. And with Cloud changes I just can't. It's so relative that it's just plain silly.

[Truthseeker007]

15 hours ago, Aquila King said:

LOL. You are so reminding me of this:

Sorry dude, but cloud changing psychokinesis is a load of BS. I support the idea of mind-over-matter metaphysical effects and whatnot, but it has to be taken seriously. And with Cloud changes I just can't. It's so relative that it's just plain silly.

Hey no problem if that's what you believe who am I to change your mind? I have no problem making clouds disappear and split up but maybe that is just me. I do take it seriously which is why I do experiments such as cloud changing. I am working on now trying to develop a cloud with my mind and make it rain. This is proving to take a lot more focus and energy to do but I will be able to do it sooner or later. It does take practice just like anything else. If we all really do create our own reality here then anything and everything is possible. Mind-Over-Matter.

[Bendy Demon]

Stare at any cloud long enough and it will break up.

They break up just as fast even when I am not looking. I must be pretty magical then.

[Truthseeker007]

Since we are on the topic of magic some might find this interesting and I'm sure some may not but I will share what I found anyway take it or leave it:

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/metaphysicscourse2.htm

Magic is the ability to change consciousness. Change occurs as consciousness changes, or one can say change occurs as minds or images change. But consciousness may be influenced by conflicting images from Wills not in harmony as to what changes should take place, and this hinders the efforts to manifest miracles, magic, or even reasonably slow change. For the outer environment, other people, other circumstances, the weather, the planet itself and the outer heavenly bodies as well as the Universal Consciousness can influence the nature of the change. 

Thus if one wishes to make changes from moment to moment in order to effect a greater change he or she may need to hold those images for a time long enough to overcome the power of images held by past, present or future minds that might counter or resist the change you seek.

Often delays are caused by these lingering or new images held by others which counter the images you seek to promote and manifest. Sometimes forces of nature hold purposes or information processing procedures that counter your efforts to manifest. To achieve the best magic, one should go with the flow, or work with the tides of energies when they move in the right direction to achieve one's goals. Since there are outside forces that create change, change that one cannot always control, one cannot truly say, "I have dominion over my life," but one could honestly say, "To the full extent possible, I take charge of my life."
  
Attuning to the Ultimate Vibration

The object of becoming more Cosmically Aware is to learn how to attune to these higher frequencies, to serve and be served by them, and to use them for serving others. To do so, one must first understand a new way of viewing the reality in which one lives. The one who sees reality as but a mix of chemical conditions that accidentally created things which have no ultimate meaning or goal and which ends for the individual at death will have no way of dealing with or comprehending the higher laws that would be available for use as magic, miracles, or creation of new moments and conditions of reality. If one entity inhabits a place on a checkerboard only to play checkers and another is hopping around playing chess, they fail to communicate meaningfully and will play by different rules leading to each thinking the other is confused as to what reality is.

 

 

[Truthseeker007]

The Role of Magic and Intention

Any system is in constant, even if subtle, change, and never remains static. All is information operating in patterns that continually change as new information is introduced to the pattern. The information is composed of vibrations or frequencies which are being processed toward a natural and logical outgrowth of their combined energies and flux. They are influenced by the intent that accompanies them, so that when a word is spoken in one language it has a particular intent that determines its influence, whereas, the same word in another language may have a different intent, and will therefore have a different influence in its outcome.

Magic words or ritual that can influence outcomes may be created by using words or behavioral patterns that already express the intended outcome, or by using nonsensical words or actions having no intended meaning other than the intentions you give them. 

Thus, as an example, the word "Grulpinfa" or any other nonsense word, may be invented to represent a magic word to bring you good luck, health, prosperity or whatever else you intend it to do, and the more you use it and the more you believe in it, the more it influences your information processing system to help bring about your desired results. Thus religions are built on faith in magical words that are alleged to carry power and as the faith in the magic increases…so does the power of the words used.
  
A Part May Access the Whole

The nature of a Universe that is alive and conscious is such that, any part within that Universe may participate and behave with the use of any and all information from that Universe that it is able to perceive, understand and apply in accordance with its own inherent ability. Thus the stone is able to use Universal Consciousness information to the degree of its own ability to perceive, understand and apply Universal Consciousness to its purposes. 

The same may be said for persons. This Awareness suggests those persons who cannot understand or perceive Universal Consciousness have little chance of using it, while those who do, have a greater chance of applying its use to their purposes. Those who never imagined the Universe to be alive and conscious only have use of the consciousness they perceive in themselves, and for some this is quite limited. Yet another, staring at a grain of sand can perceive the entire universe its glory.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/metaphysicscourse2.htm

[Podo]

7 hours ago, Truthseeker007 said:

Hey no problem if that's what you believe who am I to change your mind? I have no problem making clouds disappear and split up but maybe that is just me. I do take it seriously which is why I do experiments such as cloud changing. I am working on now trying to develop a cloud with my mind and make it rain. This is proving to take a lot more focus and energy to do but I will be able to do it sooner or later. It does take practice just like anything else. If we all really do create our own reality here then anything and everything is possible. Mind-Over-Matter.

You can't possibly be convinced by this video, can you? The clouds are clearly moving before the video even starts. I could point at a cloud, announce that I'm moving it, and then declare victory with whatever shape it changes into. That's not magic, it's not anything other than tomfoolery.

[Truthseeker007]

1 hour ago, Podo said:

You can't possibly be convinced by this video, can you? The clouds are clearly moving before the video even starts. I could point at a cloud, announce that I'm moving it, and then declare victory with whatever shape it changes into. That's not magic, it's not anything other than tomfoolery.

I can't watch the video from where I am at. Hey believe what you want I know myself what I can do with clouds. If you don't believe it then so be it. I'm not going to try to change your mind or even care to.