papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 #1 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Awhile back there was a Gaia video that discusses the finding in Peru of the ancient remains of beings that were apparently humanoid but unlike anything known. (alien or alien/human hybrid was a common speculation). If you are not familiar with this subject, watch the video. As amazing as that find was, it is getting even better with a new update.Update 6: Bodies of Evidence To save you time I've looked into the people involved in this a bit and found the same attack job absolutely everyone claiming paranormal/cryptozoological/UFO-Alien stuff gets. I personally believe these people are genuinely onto something and the explanation of fraud is getting rather hard to defend with the new update. The lore of the Native American tribes of the area tell of a race of small people. Edited September 13, 2017 by papageorge1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Carnoferox Posted September 13, 2017 Popular Post #2 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Oh, Papa... http://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/unearthing-nazca-common-sense-approach-analyzing-three-fingered-mummy-peru/# http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ancient-mummified-alien-gaia-video-fake-hoax-false-extraterrestrials-life-nasa-a7809256.html https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/how-to-fake-an-alien-mummy/535251/ http://doubtfulnews.com/2017/06/nazca-alien-mummy-revealed-in-promotional-video-featuring-serial-hoaxer/ http://www.cientificos.pe/index.php/2017/06/24/estafa-que-fomenta-excavaciones-ilegales-y-posible-destruccion-del-patrimonio-arqueologico-nacional/ (in Spanish) "There's a sucker born ever minute." 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowpane Posted September 13, 2017 #3 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't get the video to play. In any case, the subject has been dealt with in some detail in a series of articles (Fr.) here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted September 13, 2017 #4 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I read an article in a magazine some weeks back that stated that these once human mummified remains had been tampered with and rearranged as to create these fake alien looking creatures. It said that this was a serious archaeological crime, and is / was being thoroughly investigated as to who was behind this atrocious vandalism. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted September 13, 2017 36 minutes ago, Carnoferox said: Oh, Papa... http://www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/unearthing-nazca-common-sense-approach-analyzing-three-fingered-mummy-peru/# http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ancient-mummified-alien-gaia-video-fake-hoax-false-extraterrestrials-life-nasa-a7809256.html https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/how-to-fake-an-alien-mummy/535251/ http://doubtfulnews.com/2017/06/nazca-alien-mummy-revealed-in-promotional-video-featuring-serial-hoaxer/ http://www.cientificos.pe/index.php/2017/06/24/estafa-que-fomenta-excavaciones-ilegales-y-posible-destruccion-del-patrimonio-arqueologico-nacional/ (in Spanish) "There's a sucker born ever minute." If you read the OP, I was already aware of the attackers. I have come to be more skeptical of the skeptics than proponents on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted September 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, Astra. said: I read an article in a magazine some weeks back that stated that these once human mummified remains had been tampered with and rearranged as to create these fake alien looking creatures. It said that this was a serious archaeological crime, and is / was being thoroughly investigated as to who was behind this atrocious vandalism. Did you watch the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 13, 2017 #7 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: I have come to be more skeptical of the skeptics than proponents on this one. So you still think it's an alien? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 Author #8 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: So you still think it's an alien? At this point, I believe it is something unknown to science. Yes, alien or alien/human hybrid is my best guess at this time. Did you watch the video? What do you think it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 13, 2017 #9 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: At this point, I believe it is something unknown to science. Yes, alien or alien/human hybrid is my best guess at this time. Did you watch the video? What do you think it is? No, no, no there Mr.BelieveItAll. I am not playing the click bait game. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 Author #10 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: No, no, no there Mr.BelieveItAll. I am not playing the click bait game. Well thanks actually, that will probably save me a page of pointless grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 13, 2017 #11 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: Well thanks actually, that will probably save me a page of pointless grief. Saved the rest of us as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Carnoferox Posted September 13, 2017 Popular Post #12 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: If you read the OP, I was already aware of the attackers. I have come to be more skeptical of the skeptics than proponents on this one. You seem to be aware of the critics but ignorant of their arguments. They do raise legitimate concerns, including grave-robbing and desecration of human remains. I know you're grasping for straws here, but you don't have to stoop to this level. Edited September 13, 2017 by Carnoferox 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted September 13, 2017 #13 Share Posted September 13, 2017 In your op you post a video with no documentation, Disney, MGM, Warner Bros and every hick on you tube makes videos, if there was anything of real substance published by credible sources then tjat is what you should be linking. This isn't your first time and you are well aware of who you are dealing with here so why do you continue to try to engage people with the least credible sources possible? jmccr8 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted September 13, 2017 #14 Share Posted September 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Did you watch the video? No Papa, because I don't believe that they are genuine. This is just another unfortunate hoax that's popped up. I also hope they find who was responsible for this shocking and disrespectful vandalism. It wouldn't surprise if the likes of Steven Greer was behind it, that said tongue-in-cheek of course. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kenemet Posted September 13, 2017 Popular Post #15 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Yes, I've seen images from that.... Now... I taught human anatomy and I've had comparative vertebrate anatomy. I know what bones should look like and what joints of many species should look like and while you may feel that the evidence is incontrovertible and the people beyond reproach, I find that the material is hoaxed and altered and that the "experts" are members of universities and organizations that appear to be run out of someone's house (when tracking them down on the Internet.) You will see pictures (and only pictures) hauled out at UFO conferences but you'll never see this handed over to a world class museum for examination and preservation. There's a reason that these things aren't in museums and aren't being given to the world to study. They're laughable frauds. Compare this to the discovery of the "Hobbit" fossils (https://www.livescience.com/29100-homo-floresiensis-hobbit-facts.html) - a fossil hominid that WAS controversial ("deformed human" was one of the accusations made by some academics) and was "alien" to us (unexpected species) and was suspected of being a fraud. ANOTHER WAY you can tell that they're frauds - the government's response. Artifact hunters aren't allowed to wander around and pick up things and sell them (those are looters, and looters are prosecuted.) Collecting bodies in the modern world (mummies and so forth) is VERY tightly controlled, as is the shipping of bodies to museums and labs. Research into the claims of any indigenous peoples to the bodies are also investigated. So these bodies (if real) would be under government control. The government would be displaying them and making quite a fuss about them because they'd be a research magnet and a tourist attraction. Governments are not interested in models and hoaxes. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted September 13, 2017 #16 Share Posted September 13, 2017 58 minutes ago, Astra. said: I read an article in a magazine some weeks back that stated that these once human mummified remains had been tampered with and rearranged as to create these fake alien looking creatures. It said that this was a serious archaeological crime, and is / was being thoroughly investigated as to who was behind this atrocious vandalism. This does not surprise me. The larger mummy is indeed human, but has been modified. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted September 13, 2017 #17 Share Posted September 13, 2017 It should also be mentioned that the man behind the "discovery" of these bodies, Jaime Maussan, is a known serial hoaxer. With at least 5 different hoaxes to his name already, Maussan is to aliens what Rick Dyer is to bigfoot. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 Author #18 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Astra. said: I read an article in a magazine some weeks back Oh, so there you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 Author #19 Share Posted September 13, 2017 I think the usual skeptic outlets just phoned it in on this one with all the usual allegations. I've not seen where any skeptic has touched this in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 13, 2017 #20 Share Posted September 13, 2017 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: I think the usual skeptic outlets just phoned it in on this one with all the usual allegations. I've not seen where any skeptic has touched this in person. You haven't touched it in person either. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted September 13, 2017 #21 Share Posted September 13, 2017 More on Maussan's hoaxing: http://drmsh.com/jaime-maussan-is-at-it-again-three-fingered-alien-mummy-claim/ http://drmsh.com/update-on-jaime-maussans-phony-peruvian-alien-mummy/ http://ahotcupofjoe.net/2017/07/review-jaime-maussan-alien-mummy-peru/ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted September 13, 2017 #22 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: I think the usual skeptic outlets just phoned it in on this one with all the usual allegations. I've not seen where any skeptic has touched this in person. Touch who exactly Jaime or the modified mummies? What exactly would you accept as evidence that this person is scientifically untrustworthy? Edited September 13, 2017 by Hanslune 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted September 13, 2017 #23 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Here's an article by paleontologist Rodolfo Salas-Gismondi debunking the anatomy of the "alien" hand, showing how it was constructed from human bones. http://descreidos.utero.pe/2017/07/05/esta-es-la-falsa-mano-alienigena-que-los-cientificos-de-maussan-determinaron-anatomicamente-correcta-y-funcional/ It's in Spanish but you can easily use Google Translate. Edited September 13, 2017 by Carnoferox 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted September 13, 2017 #24 Share Posted September 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Oh, so there you go Tell us PG the steps you have taken to verify this subject? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted September 13, 2017 Author #25 Share Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hanslune said: Touch who exactly Jaime or the modified mummies? What exactly would you accept as evidence that this person is scientifically untrustworthy? From all I found Jamie was tricked once but was not the tricker. He said he got wiser. Anyway he is a journalist and has nothing to do with the carbon Datingn, DNA analysis, internal imaging, etc. did you watch the video? Edited September 14, 2017 by papageorge1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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