back to earth Posted September 29, 2017 #76 Share Posted September 29, 2017 16 minutes ago, Viatorem said: Yep that would be nice thank you. Since my toughts on it are based on my own theory on the matter although I must admit I have some experience in the field. Here is the paper http://www.theisticpsychology.org/books/w.vandusen/presence_spirits.htm look out for the sections 'Hallucinations of the good order ' I have done a fair bit of work on this subject . Let me know if you are interested in talking more about it . I am also curious about your 'experience in the field ' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 29, 2017 #77 Share Posted September 29, 2017 But I gotta go off line for a while now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viatorem Posted September 29, 2017 #78 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, back to earth said: Here is the paper http://www.theisticpsychology.org/books/w.vandusen/presence_spirits.htm look out for the sections 'Hallucinations of the good order ' I have done a fair bit of work on this subject . Let me know if you are interested in talking more about it . I am also curious about your 'experience in the field ' . Very intresting stuff I must say. And yes Im in intrested on views on this matter from others such as youreself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted September 29, 2017 #79 Share Posted September 29, 2017 On 9/25/2017 at 3:33 PM, travelnjones said: My friend Eileen had that problem in the 80's Come on, Eileen...oh, I swear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhispersInTheAttic Posted September 29, 2017 #80 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Ignore it. Don't mess around with it. If you have problems and get anxious; trying listening to music and put on some headphones. Just don't answer to it. Edited September 29, 2017 by WhispersInTheAttic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted September 30, 2017 #81 Share Posted September 30, 2017 On 29/09/2017 at 0:12 PM, Viatorem said: Very intresting stuff I must say. And yes Im in intrested on views on this matter from others such as youreself. If you analyse the interior of that paper and remove the setting, dressing, psychological terms etc and look at process , stages, techniques, 'rules' etc . They are the same as those in magical evocation / Invocation , traditionally and in the modern sense ( when one removes Swedenborg;s 'Christian framework' ) and in advice of modern western initiatory societies re makeup of the psyche and how to manage it. To me this indicates that each is just using different terms ( regardless of ; 'hallucination' (subjectively / internally ) induced or ' spirit (objectively / outside ) induced ) for a real underlying process or 'set up' in the psyche. Therefore the process is valid , its just a matter of dressing it in the right words and clothing that best suit the individual's makeup for successful operations. Note the section on 'naming' , Higher order do not give a name but usually a title of function. Lowe order cannot give title of function and give ' trick names' ( which can be analysed ) . Its one of the fist requirements of spirit invocation ; ask for the name ( although I notice that is warned against in an above post ) None of this should be messed around unless one does know those rules and laws and how to manage the technology . So enough said ( for here ) don't ' Pandora your psyche' folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viatorem Posted September 30, 2017 #82 Share Posted September 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, back to earth said: If you analyse the interior of that paper and remove the setting, dressing, psychological terms etc and look at process , stages, techniques, 'rules' etc . They are the same as those in magical evocation / Invocation , traditionally and in the modern sense ( when one removes Swedenborg;s 'Christian framework' ) and in advice of modern western initiatory societies re makeup of the psyche and how to manage it. To me this indicates that each is just using different terms ( regardless of ; 'hallucination' (subjectively / internally ) induced or ' spirit (objectively / outside ) induced ) for a real underlying process or 'set up' in the psyche. Therefore the process is valid , its just a matter of dressing it in the right words and clothing that best suit the individual's makeup for successful operations. Note the section on 'naming' , Higher order do not give a name but usually a title of function. Lowe order cannot give title of function and give ' trick names' ( which can be analysed ) . Its one of the fist requirements of spirit invocation ; ask for the name ( although I notice that is warned against in an above post ) None of this should be messed around unless one does know those rules and laws and how to manage the technology . So enough said ( for here ) don't ' Pandora your psyche' folks No better way of putting it indeed. The frame will be different for any induvidual towards there own beliefs or what they dont believe. And actualy suprising if you look at it when Swendenborg did his research and still till today it is the norm in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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