Popular Post toast Posted September 23, 2017 Popular Post #1 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Quote President rips NFL players who have kneeled in fiery Alabama speech Trump encourages fans to leave stadium if they see players kneeling Donald Trump launched a sensational attack on NFL players who have kneeled in protest of the national anthem during a speech in Alabama on Friday night, challenging the league’s owners to release anyone who engages in the movement started last year by former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick. “Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a b**** off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!’” the president said at a rally at Huntsville’s Von Braun Center in support of Republican senator Luther Strange, who is running in a special GOP primary election next week to remain in the Senate seat vacated by attorney general Jeff Sessions. “You know, some owner is going to do that. He’s going to say, ‘That guy that disrespects our flag, he’s fired.’ The Guardian So the next step into absurdity has been done. I`m always very critical when a flag, and/or a hym, is declared as to be some kind of holy by a political leader. Is there a law in the US that people have to stand up while hearing the US hym? Did I missed something? Furthermore, he is suppressing the right for the freedom of expression and by his request, to fire him/them, he fulfilled an offense of necessitation. And yeah, "SOB", thats a very presidential choice of words, isnt it? 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 23, 2017 Popular Post #2 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Speaking as an outsider, it's always baffled me that the Home of the Free have turned demonstrations of fealty to the flag into a ritual. You have to stand. You have to put your hand on your heart. you have to say the ritual words. I know people are going to talk about "showing respect" to the Colours, respect to the people who fought and died under the flag, but mindless repetition is not respect. There is no respect in being told to be respectful, it's just obedience. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Space Commander Travis Posted September 23, 2017 Popular Post #3 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) Don't you know, it's the land of the Free! And if you goddam Commies don't like it you can sod off back to PingPong, or whatever it's called. Edited September 23, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 23, 2017 #4 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Sounds like some western version of an ayatollah ... ~ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 Popular Post #5 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, toast said: So the next step into absurdity has been done. I`m always very critical when a flag, and/or a hym, is declared as to be some kind of holy by a political leader. Is there a law in the US that people have to stand up while hearing the US hym? Did I missed something? Furthermore, he is suppressing the right for the freedom of expression and by his request, to fire him/them, he fulfilled an offense of necessitation. And yeah, "SOB", thats a very presidential choice of words, isnt it? It is a matter of decency. Lets say you are holding memorial for your deceased parent, and some folks, during minute of silence, are laughing, making jokes, etc. What your reaction would be for such behavior? I bet, that wouldn't be "Ah, OK, have fun, folks". Are any laws 'bout that? Edited September 23, 2017 by bmk1245 spelling 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 23, 2017 #6 Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: It is a matter of decency. Lets say you are holding memorial for you deceased parent, and some folks, during minute of silence, are laughing, making jokes, etc. What your reaction would be for such behavior? I bet, that wouldn't be "Ah, OK, have fun, folks". Are any laws 'bout that? which would paint them as the sort of **** that you need to unfriend pronto. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 #7 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: which would paint them as the sort of **** that you need to unfriend pronto. Yeah, certainly, but are there any laws against that? Haven't heard of such. So... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 23, 2017 #8 Share Posted September 23, 2017 ... but let's be honest here ... its just a game ... a sporting event ... and not even an international sports meet at that ... ~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted September 23, 2017 #9 Share Posted September 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: It is a matter of decency. Lets say you are holding memorial for your deceased parent, and some folks, during minute of silence, are laughing, making jokes, etc. What your reaction would be for such behavior? I bet, that wouldn't be "Ah, OK, have fun, folks". Are any laws 'bout that? so ar eyou saying that they are in fact marking the demise of the Land of the Free? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 23, 2017 #10 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Going by the same logic of attending funeral decorum, there is the burying and the wake, where the atmosphere is entirely different. At one, those attending follows social protocol and at the other one gets an honest picture of the deceased while they lived, where there is more likely talk of times of them being 'A' holes or the time when some particular moment where there was running down the neighborhood street with the wife's undies over the head ... Unless of course where there is no one there at all ... though who 'fired' who in such instances might be arguable.... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 #11 Share Posted September 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: so ar eyou saying that they are in fact marking the demise of the Land of the Free? Nope. Anyway, there is whole continent to explore for those unhappy with US, and that continent is... Africa Bite me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 23, 2017 #12 Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, bmk1245 said: Nope. Anyway, there is whole continent to explore for those unhappy with US, and that continent is... Africa Bite me... They can come to Australia, we don't stand during the American National anthem 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LV-426 Posted September 23, 2017 Popular Post #13 Share Posted September 23, 2017 52 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Speaking as an outsider, it's always baffled me that the Home of the Free have turned demonstrations of fealty to the flag into a ritual. You have to stand. You have to put your hand on your heart. you have to say the ritual words. I know people are going to talk about "showing respect" to the Colours, respect to the people who fought and died under the flag, but mindless repetition is not respect. There is no respect in being told to be respectful, it's just obedience. If they don't want to show respect to those who fought and died under the flag to give them the freedoms they enjoy today, why should a nation show any respect to them? Let's face it, we're not talking about downtrodden citizens, living in slums either. We're talking about well-paid sports stars, taking advantage of everything their nation has to offer. If they don't want to stand with hand on heart, fair enough. They could at least have the decency to stand quietly and respect those that do though. Admittedly, I'm not over-enamored with much that's happeneing in my own country right now, but the flag is about much more than current events. It's about, for example, remembering those that died to keep us free from Nazi tyranny. It's about remembering the pioneers in science, art, literature, etc. who still have an impact on life today. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 #14 Share Posted September 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, third_eye said: Going by the same logic of attending funeral decorum, there is the burying and the wake, where the atmosphere is entirely different. At one, those attending follows social protocol and at the other one gets an honest picture of the deceased while they lived, where there is more likely talk of times of them being 'A' holes or the time when some particular moment where there was running down the neighborhood street with the wife's undies over the head ... Unless of course where there is no one there at all ... though who 'fired' who in such instances might be arguable.... ~ Exactly. If you despised the man, why go to the memorial. That brings the point: why Colin Kaepernick haven't refused to play if he is so concerned? 'Cause is freakin' hypocrite. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 23, 2017 Popular Post #15 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, LV-426 said: If they don't want to show respect to those who fought and died under the flag to give them the freedoms they enjoy today, why should a nation show any respect to them? Let's face it, we're not talking about downtrodden citizens, living in slums either. We're talking about well-paid sports stars, taking advantage of everything their nation has to offer. If they don't want to stand with hand on heart, fair enough. They could at least have the decency to stand quietly and respect those that do though. Admittedly, I'm not over-enamored with much that's happeneing in my own country right now, but the flag is about much more than current events. It's about, for example, remembering those that died to keep us free from Nazi tyranny. It's about remembering the pioneers in science, art, literature, etc. who still have an impact on life today. But they're not disrespecting or interrupting others being respectful. They are respectfully not taking part in the ritual. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 #16 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: They can come to Australia, we don't stand during the American National anthem Not the nicest thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 23, 2017 #17 Share Posted September 23, 2017 You play a game in a country that has the wealth and freedom allowing for sports teams. These sports teams pay you millions and millions of dollars. And, what do you choose to do? You choose disrespect the very country that has provided your success. Talk about spoiled individuals. The people who own these sports teams have the absolute legal right to fire whomever they please. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 23, 2017 #18 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Lilly said: You play a game in a country that has the wealth and freedom allowing for sports teams. These sports teams pay you millions and millions of dollars. And, what do you choose to do? You choose disrespect the very country that has provided your success. Talk about spoiled individuals. The people who own these sports teams have the absolute legal right to fire whomever they please. Or, alternatively, they're using that freedom, so fought for by others, to fight against indignities. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 #19 Share Posted September 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lilly said: You play a game in a country that has the wealth and freedom allowing for sports teams. These sports teams pay you millions and millions of dollars. And, what do you choose to do? You choose disrespect the very country that has provided your success. Talk about spoiled individuals. The people who own these sports teams have the absolute legal right to fire whomever they please. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 23, 2017 #20 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Just now, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Or, alternatively, they're using that freedom, so fought for by others, to fight against indignities. Indignities? As in being paid 20 million dollars to play professional football? You don't bring your politics to the work place. You do your job and take your political expressions to an appropriate location. And please don't tell me the NFL is racist. The NFL has made more African American men millionaires than just about any other organization I can think of. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 23, 2017 #21 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Lilly said: Indignities? As in being paid 20 million dollars to play professional football? You don't bring your politics to the work place. You do your job and take your political expressions to an appropriate location. And please don't tell me the NFL is racist. The NFL has made more African American men millionaires than just about any other organization I can think of. I make a game of it, "Oh look a white guy." (No that's not a 'racist' statement it's a joke) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 #22 Share Posted September 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Or, alternatively, they're using that freedom, so fought for by others, to fight against indignities. Or, alternatively, they can move to Africa, ME, Russia... They aren't fighting, they are just showing off. BTW, how much money Colin Kaepernick donated to, say, black/latino community development? How many hours he spend talking to black/latino kids to pursue knowledge? You have money, Colin, build the freakin' school. SNIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted September 23, 2017 #23 Share Posted September 23, 2017 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: I make a game of it, "Oh look a white guy." (No that's not a 'racist' statement it's a joke) Thats brilliant! Kudos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 23, 2017 #24 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Obviously White and Hispanic men play football too. This really isn't a racial issue, it's an issue of respecting ones employer and ones country and taking ones politics to an appropriate venue (aka, not at work). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted September 23, 2017 #25 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lilly said: Obviously White and Hispanic men play football too. This really isn't a racial issue, it's an issue of respecting ones employer and ones country and taking ones politics to an appropriate venue (aka, not at work). I don't think anyone including myself is making this a race issue. I think most of us get that it's about simply respecting of tradition. Edited September 23, 2017 by XenoFish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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