seeder Posted October 18, 2017 #1 Share Posted October 18, 2017 If so....and how can it ever be proven... how terrible.. Quote When you die you KNOW you're dead: Scientists discover the mind still works after the body shows no sign of life and reveal people have heard their own death announced by medics A person's consciousness continues to work after the body has died, study finds Someone has died may even hear their own death being announced by medics Researchers say people's recollections have been verified by medical staff Time of death is called when heart stops beating, cutting off blood to brain Cerebral cortex flatlines and within 2-20 seconds no brainwaves are detected This sparks the death of brain cells but this can take hours after Findings echo plot line of new Hollywood re-make of cult horror Flatliners Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4992712/When-die-KNOW-dead-mind-works.html#ixzz4vsNFfcap 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lilly Posted October 18, 2017 Popular Post #2 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Perhaps it's not so terrible, perhaps ones consciousness simply goes elsewhere after death? We'll all know at some point. "The undiscovered country from whose bourn No traveler returns, puzzles the will" ~Shakespeare~ 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted October 18, 2017 #3 Share Posted October 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, Lilly said: Perhaps it's not so terrible, perhaps ones consciousness simply goes elsewhere after death? We'll all know at some point. "The undiscovered country from whose bourn No traveler returns, puzzles the will" ~Shakespeare~ "And makes us rather bear those ills we have, than fly to others that we know not of." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted October 18, 2017 #4 Share Posted October 18, 2017 "To die, to sleep, no more, and by a sleep to say we end the heartache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished; to die to sleep--to sleep perchance to dream--aye, there's the rub; for in that sleep of death what dreams may come....." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted October 18, 2017 #5 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, seeder said: ... how terrible.. The fact that you say 'how terrible' makes me wonder if you misinterpreted the article. It was a study led by Dr. Sam Parnia, a prominent proponent of the Near Death Experience showing consciousness continues after death. Higher brain functioning is required to Study author Dr Sam Parnia told Live Science: 'They'll describe watching doctors and nurses working and they'll describe having awareness of full conversations, of visual things that were going on, that would otherwise not be known to them.' For example, they are seeing things but not through their closed physical eyes. Something paranormal is going on is what he is implying. 1 hour ago, seeder said: If so....and how can it ever be proven... It is proven by their ability to relate events to the doctors that would otherwise not be known to them (as in the classic NDE). To me one final piece of evidence that consciousness is not dependent on the physical would be spirit communication even years after death (another subject). Edited October 18, 2017 by papageorge1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted October 18, 2017 #6 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Science is slowly catching on. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted October 18, 2017 #7 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Here's hoping it's not like this: "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted October 18, 2017 #8 Share Posted October 18, 2017 "you may be a king, or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later, you dance with the reaper" -Bill and Teds excellent adventure lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted October 18, 2017 #9 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Well this article is suitably terrifying. Forgive me if I never sleep again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelion318 Posted October 19, 2017 #10 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I remember reading about a man who, before his beheading, promised to blink if he was experiencing consciousness after the event. Witnesses said he blinked for more than a minute after separation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted October 19, 2017 #11 Share Posted October 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, thelion318 said: I remember reading about a man who, before his beheading, promised to blink if he was experiencing consciousness after the event. Witnesses said he blinked for more than a minute after separation. Chickens run around after being beheaded. Just sayin’ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightAngel Posted October 19, 2017 #12 Share Posted October 19, 2017 ouija ouija already posted this news in my topic: Consciousness Without Brain Activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susanc241 Posted October 19, 2017 #13 Share Posted October 19, 2017 2 hours ago, thelion318 said: I remember reading about a man who, before his beheading, promised to blink if he was experiencing consciousness after the event. Witnesses said he blinked for more than a minute after separation. I am sure I read somewhere that it had been decided that after beheading you can remain aware for up to 13 seconds (hope I have remembered the number correctly). Apparently Ann Boleyn's lips were seen to continue moving for a short while. She had been reciting prayers as she died. As CPR it supposed to be started within three or so minutes of cardiac arrest (for instance) to minimise brain damage I don't see anything odd about awareness for a few minutes, at least, after death. Residual oxygen in the brain won't dissipate in a nano second after cardiac death. Fascinating subject. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdesert50 Posted October 19, 2017 #14 Share Posted October 19, 2017 True, death is really not immediate. But, the lack of oxygen leads to hypoxia and we can see parallels where in high altitude chamber testing, many people experience a sense of euphoria and well-being. Not a bad send-off at all, thank you, God. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clare256 Posted October 19, 2017 #15 Share Posted October 19, 2017 disturbing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison Posted October 19, 2017 #16 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) We seem to have a good idea of what consciousness looks like in terms of brain electrical activity. If this activity 'flatlines' within seconds of the heartbeat stopping, then it appears that consciousness can exist independent of the working of the brain. Trying to suggest that the brain is, in some mysterious, unknown way, creating consciousness, even when it is electrically inactive, appears unjustified. What if consciousness inhabits the brain and in doing so causes certain electrical activity in it? What if consciousness moves away from the body at the time of death, and so ceases to cause this electrical activity? A rough analogy might be made to a radio receiver. It can convey intelligence, but only when acted upon by an external, intelligently caused force that enters into it. Edited October 20, 2017 by bison improved word choice for clarity 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted October 20, 2017 #17 Share Posted October 20, 2017 15 hours ago, bison said: If this activity 'flatlines' within seconds of the heartbeat stopping, then it appears that consciousness can exist independent of the working of the brain. I'm not sure how you came up with this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJNYC Posted October 20, 2017 #18 Share Posted October 20, 2017 On 10/18/2017 at 5:01 PM, Podo said: Well this article is suitably terrifying. Forgive me if I never sleep again. Actually, I saw the headline and didn't read it yesterday because it freaked me out. But, now I'm so happy I did because it just means that we go on as I've always believed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison Posted October 20, 2017 #19 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Rlyeh said: I'm not sure how you came up with this. The article states that they have lucid, and correct accounts from revived patients, of what they heard and even saw (yet with their eyes closed) well after brain electrical activity associated with being conscious had ceased. These accounts are reportedly detailed enough to convey conviction that the patients really were conscious. If the brain was not in a conscious state, yet the patients were fully aware of their surroundings, the natural inference seems to be that consciousness was separate from the brain at that time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted October 20, 2017 #20 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, bison said: The article states that they have lucid, and correct accounts from revived patients, of what they heard and even saw (yet with their eyes closed) well after brain electrical activity associated with being conscious had ceased. These accounts are reportedly detailed enough to convey conviction that the patients really were conscious. If the brain was not in a conscious state, yet the patients were fully aware of their surroundings, the natural inference seems to be that consciousness was separate from the brain at that time. What does flat lining within seconds have to do with it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison Posted October 20, 2017 #21 Share Posted October 20, 2017 'Flatlining' refers to cessation of electrical activity in, and beating of, the heart, and within seconds of that, cessation of electrical activity in the brain associated with being conscious. Since we know what the electrical activity of a conscious brain and an unconscious one look like, and how they differ, this is germane to determining if a patient is conscious or not, at a given point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted October 20, 2017 Author #22 Share Posted October 20, 2017 heres something that happened to me once I was fast asleep.....dreaming....but I became aware of a weird rhythmic rasping sound mentally....I became absolutely awake......but hadnt opened my eyes.....and then realised, that rasping noise was ME....snoring... I could feel my chest rise and fall with deep breaths, I heard myself snoring....my body felt like a dead weight....I was....both asleep yet conscious of being asleep...physically anyway I found it so weird....and a little funny.....then I FELT my face smile at my thoughts....tho I hadnt intended or tried to smile... I laid there ands realised that although physically deep asleep and snoring....I was mentally fully aware of it....it was quite weird....but cool since that time Ive researched it....it happens often and to many people.....and its so strange to experience being aware....of being totally asleep.....knowing youre in your body.....but feeling separate from it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podo Posted October 20, 2017 #23 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, MJNYC said: Actually, I saw the headline and didn't read it yesterday because it freaked me out. But, now I'm so happy I did because it just means that we go on as I've always believed. It suggests that we might persist. Nothing has been proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.O'N Posted October 21, 2017 #24 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Only thing i hope for when death is near that my anxiety isnt there. If it isnt there and i am somehow calm and at peace then i will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison Posted October 21, 2017 #25 Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) We at least have some evidence pointing to the possibility that consciousness can exist outside the brain. What evidence is there that the brain itself can create consciousness, even when the electrical activity supporting it has ceased? Edited October 21, 2017 by bison added clarifying word 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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