SHaYap Posted November 25, 2017 #26 Share Posted November 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: I certainly dont know how you can claim you are doing CAD and 3D modelling not only on an i5 but with integrated graphics too. Possibly just CAD drawings and surface modelling without the POV Render with textures... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorizBadinov Posted November 25, 2017 #27 Share Posted November 25, 2017 5 hours ago, RabidMongoose said: I certainly dont know how you can claim you are doing CAD and 3D modelling not only on an i5 but with integrated graphics too. You probably dont realise that what you are rendering is taking 20x longer than it needs too. You need to go i7 and get a 1080 if thats what your pc is mainly used for. Even better a AMD Thread Ripper. My God, you will be giving Autodesk a stroke. Integrated graphics are for laptops and workplace PCs, they are for watching HD films and surfing the internet, etc. They arent for gaming or, my God, CAD and 3D modelling. Talk about a severe bottleneck. I claim it because I am doing it. I said if on a budget, not that it was the ultimate solution but its a cost effective way to get a system up and running. It costs 0 dollars to implement, you will likely buy a board with integrated graphics anyway. You can at any moment in time after that buy whatever card you wish and plug it in when it is more affordable. Laptop solutions and desktops are totally different systems. If budget is a concern this allows a person to purchase better components without a huge initial outlay. Black Desert, 7 days to die, ESO all play fine on it. True rendering can take longer if done local. Once again not the ultimate solution but a cost effective free option. I should also add that I use a quad core i5 so in essence have 8 processors. 4 physical and 4 virtual. That does help the bottleneck you stated, I should have added that in my original post. Sure its nice to have a 400$ video card but this is a kid trying to earn money for a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 25, 2017 #28 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BorizBadinov said: I claim it because I am doing it. I said if on a budget, not that it was the ultimate solution but its a cost effective way to get a system up and running. It costs 0 dollars to implement, you will likely buy a board with integrated graphics anyway. You can at any moment in time after that buy whatever card you wish and plug it in when it is more affordable. Laptop solutions and desktops are totally different systems. If budget is a concern this allows a person to purchase better components without a huge initial outlay. Black Desert, 7 days to die, ESO all play fine on it. True rendering can take longer if done local. Once again not the ultimate solution but a cost effective free option. I should also add that I use a quad core i5 so in essence have 8 processors. 4 physical and 4 virtual. That does help the bottleneck you stated, I should have added that in my original post. Sure its nice to have a 400$ video card but this is a kid trying to earn money for a computer. I was using the on-board graphics with my i5 and it was crap - and I was only playing WoW. I had to play mostly on the lowest settings in order to get a decent enuogh framerate to ensure that my performance didn't suffer. And even then it was still under 30fps. With large groups of people fighting bosses it would often go <10fps. I paid around £60 for a graphics card and my experience improved immensely. I played mostly on all the highest settings and always had a framerate above 60fps, no matter the situation. You don't always need to pay mega bucks for a graphics card to improve your performance greatly. Edited November 25, 2017 by ExpandMyMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorizBadinov Posted November 25, 2017 #29 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just now, ExpandMyMind said: I was using the on-board graphics with my i5 and it was crap - and I was only playing WoW. Well I will say I did originally use an intel board that the graphics were subpar on. I swapped to an Asus board and it is night and day. You are very right, a second or third gen card can be quite cost effective and improve performance. I wouldn't ever dispute that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted November 25, 2017 #30 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Personally I would go AMD Ryzen all the way and save against Intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted November 25, 2017 #31 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) How to build a cheap but powerful gaming PC for $500 https://www.pcworld.com/article/3120287/computers/how-to-build-a-cheap-but-powerful-gaming-pc-for-500.html Edited November 25, 2017 by TruthSeeker_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 25, 2017 #32 Share Posted November 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, TruthSeeker_ said: How to build a cheap but powerful gaming PC for $500 https://www.pcworld.com/article/3120287/computers/how-to-build-a-cheap-but-powerful-gaming-pc-for-500.html A good guide but I'd pay a bit more and get an i5 processor. i3 seems rather weak for gaming. That's a really good guide though: Quote And that’s it! Here’s the rundown on the full build. Asus Strix Radeon RX 470 OC Edition - $200 Intel Core i3-6100 with included CPU cooler - $118.29 Gigabyte GA-H110M-A micro-ATX motherboard - $54 SilverStone 1-to-2 PWM fan splitter cable - $4.39 GSkill Ripjaws V 8GB - $35 Rosewill Line-M - $35 EVGA 430 W1 - $32 WD Caviar Blue 320GB - $22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted November 26, 2017 #33 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I dunno about the Radeon RX 470 ... its ATi and ... well ... 'nuff said ... that being said ... Quote ~ NVIDIA System Information report created on: 11/26/2017 16:09:36 System name: CAMELOT [Display] Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP, 32-bit (Service Pack 3) DirectX version: 9.0 GPU processor: GeForce GT 520 Driver version: 365.19 DirectX support: 9 CUDA Cores: 48 Memory data rate: 1070 MHz Memory interface: 64-bit Memory: 1024 MB Memory type: DDR3 Video BIOS version: 75.19.1B.00.00 IRQ: 16 Bus: PCI Express x16 ~ Operating System Windows XP Professional 32-bit SP3 CPU Intel Pentium D 945 Presler 65nm Technology RAM 3.00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 333MHz (5-5-5-15) Motherboard Intel Corporation D945GNT (LGA 775) 58 °C Graphics CPD-G520 (1280x1024@100Hz) 1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 520 (Undefined) 43 °C Storage 149GB SAMSUNG HD161HJ (SATA) 40 °C 74GB Western Digital WDC WD800JD-75MSA3 (SATA) 42 °C Optical Drives TSSTcorp CDRWDVD TS-H493A Audio NVIDIA High Definition Audio ~ Graphics Monitor Name CPD-G520 on NVIDIA GeForce GT 520 Current Resolution 1280x1024 pixels Work Resolution 1280x1024 pixels State Enabled, Primary, Output devices support Monitor Width 1280 Monitor Height 1024 Monitor BPP 32 bits per pixel Monitor Frequency 85 Hz Device \\.\DISPLAY1\Monitor0 NVIDIA GeForce GT 520 Manufacturer NVIDIA Model GeForce GT 520 GPU GF119 Device ID 10DE-1040 Revision A2 Subvendor Undefined (0000) Current Performance Level Level 1 Current GPU Clock 270 MHz Current Memory Clock 405 MHz Current Shader Clock 405 MHz Voltage 0.900 V Die Size 79 mm² Release Date Apr 12, 2011 DirectX Support 11.0 OpenGL Support 5.0 Bus Interface PCI Express x16 Temperature 43 °C GPU Clock 0 MHz Memory Clock 405 MHz Driver version 10.18.13.6519 BIOS Version 75.19.1b.00.00 ROPs 4 Shaders 48 unified Memory Type DDR3 Physical Memory 1023 MB Virtual Memory 1024 MB Bus Width 32x2 (64 bit) Filtering Modes 16x Anisotropic Noise Level Silent Max Power Draw 29 Watts Count of performance levels : 2 Level 1 - "2D Desktop" GPU Clock 270 MHz Memory Clock 540 MHz Shader Clock 405 MHz Level 2 - "3D Applications" GPU Clock 810 MHz Memory Clock 1620 MHz Shader Clock 535 MHz ~ seriously ... haven't been gaming lately but in the days of Half Life2 , Amalur and Prince of Persia ... it was a rocking with the best of them ... ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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