XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #101 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Will Due said: Everyone 'knows.' That's not the problem. The problem is that sometimes, among those who 'know', an attitude develops that's antagonistic or hostile towards the truth. It isn't that the truth isn't understandable or seen. It's that it isn't 'wanted' to see the truth. When it comes to spirituality. There is no "truth", just subjective opinion and none of them are right. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #102 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: When it comes to spirituality. There is no "truth", just subjective opinion and none of them are right. Like I said, everyone knows the truth about spirit. It's inherent. At the lowest level, spirit operates in things like a winning basketball team. If you decide that you don't 'want' to, you'll be uncooperative, which then might develop into antagonism or worse, hostility towards effecting the spiritual transformation of the material mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #103 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, Will Due said: Like I said, everyone knows the truth about spirit. It's inherent. At the lowest level, spirit operates in things like a winning basketball team. If you decide that you don't 'want' to, you'll be uncooperative, which then might develop into antagonism or worse, hostility towards effecting the spiritual transformation of the material mind. That spirit you speak of is just electrical signals and chemical reaction. There is nothing mystical or woo about it. You're acting as if there is, there isn't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #104 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: That spirit you speak of is just electrical signals and chemical reaction. There is nothing mystical or woo about it. You're acting as if there is, there isn't. Like I said, if you don't 'want' to see the truth, then you can act as if there isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #105 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Will Due said: Like I said, if you don't 'want' to see the truth, then you can act as if there isn't. No. I don't want to see your "truth". I'm fine with the truth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #106 Share Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: No. I don't want to see your "truth". I'm fine with the truth. There is only one truth. Unless you don't 'want' to see the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #107 Share Posted December 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Will Due said: There is only one truth. Unless you don't 'want' to see the truth. Let me guess. That damn blue book or whatever the hell that nonsense piece of garbage is called. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #108 Share Posted December 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Let me guess. That damn blue book or whatever the hell that nonsense piece of garbage is called. Lol. Wow Fish, not at all. The Urantia Book wasn't in my thoughts at all. But the truth appears to be in your thoughts though. The truth is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #109 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Will Due said: Lol. Wow Fish, not at all. The Urantia Book wasn't in my thoughts at all. But the truth appears to be in your thoughts though. The truth is everywhere. Yeah. We all die and everything we've ever done will amount to nothing. Even the memories of us held by other with fade and be lost to the stream of time. That's the truth. Enjoy the fact that your existence doesn't matter. I know mine doesn't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted December 15, 2017 #110 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Yeah. We all die and everything we've ever done will amount to nothing. Even the memories of us held by other with fade and be lost to the stream of time. That's the truth. Enjoy the fact that your existence doesn't matter. I know mine doesn't. Aye, that's the sum of it. In terms of the Universe, everything that every person on this planet ever does is, combined, as significant as one grain of sand in the Sahara Desert. Everything that happens in our entire Galaxy is as significant as a single leaf on a tree in Amazonia. And that's one of the main reasons some people continue to believe in primitive anthropomorphisms of nature - because accepting our utter insignificance is not always easy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #111 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Essan said: because accepting our utter insignificance is not always easy. Once you get past the manic depression stage of it. Life get's sweet. You can do anything, become anything, wreck your life, wreck others lives, rise to the top, or just mellow out. Its a scary level of personal freedom. And in the end. None of it'll matter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #112 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I often think that the struggle for meaning is the greatest hell a person can experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #113 Share Posted December 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Yeah. We all die and everything we've ever done will amount to nothing. Even the memories of us held by other with fade and be lost to the stream of time. That's the truth. Enjoy the fact that your existence doesn't matter. I know mine doesn't. Every day you're here matters. You've caused me to think about things in ways I otherwise wouldn't. That's how your life matters to me. You're just very modest and I don't believe you really think life doesn't matter or you wouldn't be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #114 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Will Due said: Every day you're here matters. You've caused me to think about things in ways I otherwise wouldn't. That's how your life matters to me. You're just very modest and I don't believe you really think life doesn't matter or you wouldn't be here. Life matter only if you give it meaning. Even if that meaning is to mellow out while fully acknowledging your cosmic insignificance. Life doesn't have to be "big" or "Grand". If someone finds enjoyment in growing a garden, cool. The point is to not take life too seriously. A lot of the worlds problems would vanish if people quit taking themselves so seriously. When you accept the this, a lot of imaginary problems vanish. You quit striving for some mortal importance. Saint? Sinner? Both meaningless. In the end you amount to the sum of your choices. But eventually everything you've done, everyone you've known, every record of your existence, it'll all be gone. And as aeon's pass everything will eventually return to the cosmic void. So you can either struggle with some great big artificial meaning to life, or have a cup of coffee and a nice slice of pie. It's really simple. This has nothing to do with suicide. Even suicide is futile because death itself will eventually get you. Might as well try to p*** it off by living as long as you can. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #115 Share Posted December 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, Essan said: accepting our utter insignificance is not always easy. You're too modest too Essan. It's easy if you 'want' to see the truth of your significance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #116 Share Posted December 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Life matter only if you give it meaning. Even if that meaning is to mellow out while fully acknowledging your cosmic insignificance. Life doesn't have to be "big" or "Grand". If someone finds enjoyment in growing a garden, cool. The point is to not take life too seriously. A lot of the worlds problems would vanish if people quit taking themselves so seriously. When you accept the this, a lot of imaginary problems vanish. You quit striving for some mortal importance. Saint? Sinner? Both meaningless. In the end you amount to the sum of your choices. But eventually everything you've done, everyone you've known, every record of your existence, it'll all be gone. And as aeon's pass everything will eventually return to the cosmic void. So you can either struggle with some great big artificial meaning to life, or have a cup of coffee and a nice slice of pie. It's really simple. This has nothing to do with suicide. Even suicide is futile because death itself will eventually get you. Might as well try to p*** it off by living as long as you can. Everything you've said points to your significance. You shouldn't take yourself too serious, yes, but underestimating yourself is also a form of taking yourself too serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2017 #117 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, Will Due said: Everything you've said points to your significance. You shouldn't take yourself too serious, yes, but underestimating yourself is also a form of taking yourself too serious. I don't even underestimate myself. I simple exist and make the most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 15, 2017 #118 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, XenoFish said: I don't even underestimate myself. I simple exist and make the most of it. Making the most of it is evidence that you'll be fine in the end, in my opinion. Having an opinion may not be significant, but the seriousness of developing one is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted December 16, 2017 #119 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, Will Due said: There is only one truth. Unless you don't 'want' to see the truth. There is no such thing as one truth. Think about this Will. How can there be one truth? When we say this is the truth, we are positing how much veracity something has in relationship to actual reality. And, often it is our own subjective reality. The way we distinguish the difference is by the evidence we provide. The evidence determines the truth value or certainty of something. Edited December 16, 2017 by Sherapy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 16, 2017 #120 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Its a relativity of definitions ... ~ [00.00:14] ~ Inescapable 'Singular' and 'versions' depends on which side of the chasm we're caught on ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted December 16, 2017 #121 Share Posted December 16, 2017 22 hours ago, XenoFish said: That spirit you speak of is just electrical signals and chemical reaction. There is nothing mystical or woo about it. You're acting as if there is, there isn't. When you're on the toilet doing #2 and you realize there's no TP. You wail in despair, then the door opens a crack, and a hand with a fresh roll of TP is beckoning to you. That's the "Spirit of God". You just have to override your Frontal Cortex.... Er um... Open your heart to see it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted December 16, 2017 #122 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) mark Whistling past God's graveyard. Now that's a title. Sheri Quote There is no such thing as one truth. I just knew there was going to be trouble when I read somewhere that you'd taken a Philosophy of Mathematics course . Put me down for the proposition that we don't know whether or not there is exactly one truth. The fun starts when you think about the many ways that there might not be just one truth, without the verb to be losing all useful meaning. Even if there is exactly one truth, then I think it's pretty much a done deal that we do not and cannot know that one truth completely nor with full certainty about our accuracy. Unfortunately, we don't strictly know that, either. 3ye Cloud Atlas is a trip. It'd make a great double bill with Dark City (a heady mix of Plato's Cave Allegory, Xeno's purpose-driven worldview and davros' vision of better living through neuroscience - something for everybody, lol.) - Edited December 16, 2017 by eight bits Turns out that I didn't really know 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 16, 2017 #123 Share Posted December 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, eight bits said: 3ye Cloud Atlas is a trip. It'd make a great double bill with Dark City (a heady mix of Plato's Cave Allegory, Xeno's purpose-driven worldview and davros' vision of better living through neuroscience - something for everybody, lol.) Totally agree ... If there is a movie well worth a reboot worthy of the movie making technological advancement of recent years would be Dark City Who knows, but I heard Disney bought Fox Entertainment a few days ago ... So ... I guess that's the bummer ~ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 16, 2017 #124 Share Posted December 16, 2017 7 hours ago, Sherapy said: How can there be one truth? Because there's one God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted December 16, 2017 #125 Share Posted December 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, Will Due said: Because there's one God. Depends what you mean by God 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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