RAyMO Posted December 18, 2017 #26 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Truthseeker007 said: That story in Genesis is more of a symbolic interpretation of what really happened. Even that is stretching it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opus Magnus Posted December 18, 2017 #27 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Susanc241 said: And until they ate of the forbidden fruit, man (and woman) were immortal and wouldn’t know sickness. God obviosuly met his match in that his human creations disobeyed him so he condemned them to a life of pain and hardship outside the garden of Eden ...... I rather see that as, 'It's my ball and you will play to my rules or I am going to take my ball home’. Petulant from the start? Well, for some reason some people think they were immortal. That was the trick of the serpent, that he played with the literality of God's warning. The whole reason God gives for kicking them out, is that they might eat from the tree of life next, which gives eternal life, and be equal to the gods. Because, when they were made, it says, "Now let us make man in our image." Signifying the plural, and it never says who the 'our' exactly is. So, there's a lot of things going on it doesn't tell us. Probably God would have anticipated the fall of Eden, but let his angels orchestrate everything for him. So, it seems to be some sort of life lesson about losing, and life goes on, but it's not the same anymore. Whether it was God directly doing it, or his children doing his work. There's a snake in every Eden. The serpent says things like, "Ye shall be as the gods if you eat the fruit," and, "You surely won't die." But, anyway, they couldn't stay naked anymore after they ate it, as if something inside them died when they woke up. Jesus says in the Gospel too, "Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, because I send you out like sheep among wolves." This also grants some forgiveness to the snake, and how it uses its cunning. Edited December 18, 2017 by Opus Magnus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted December 18, 2017 #28 Share Posted December 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, Opus Magnus said: Well, for some reason some people think they were immortal. That was the trick of the serpent, that he played with the literality of God's warning. The whole reason God gives for kicking them out, is that they might eat from the tree of life next, which gives eternal life, and be equal to the gods. Because, when they were made, it says, "Now let us make man in our image." Signifying the plural, and it never says who the 'our' exactly is. So, there's a lot of things going on it doesn't tell us. Probably God would have anticipated the fall of Eden, but let his angels orchestrate everything for him. So, it seems to be some sort of life lesson about losing, and life goes on, but it's not the same anymore. Whether it was God directly doing it, or his children doing his work. There's a snake in every Eden. The serpent says things like, "Ye shall be as the gods if you eat the fruit," and, "You surely won't die." But, anyway, they couldn't stay naked anymore after they ate it, as if something inside them died when they woke up. Jesus says in the Gospel too, "Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, because I send you out like sheep among wolves." This also grants some forgiveness to the snake, and how it uses its cunning. If you go back to the Mesopotamian stories you have the Anunnaki and from what I have read and learned they were Reptilian in nature which would answer how the serpent symbolism came into play. And for the plural form the Anunnaki were the gods or which humans thought were gods that genetically added their DNA which is also a serpent symbol with the Neanderthal to create what we would call Earthly humans. There were two half brothers Enki and Enlil. Enlil just wanted the humans to be a slave race but Enki had a love for the humans and added a gene for which the human can grow awareness and knowledge with every passing generation. So in Bible terms Enki was the serpent who gave humans knowledge. Enlil was the god who didn't want humans to have knowledge so they would remain as unaware and naked as an animal. That is what I have learned anyways in my research of the subject so take it or leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opus Magnus Posted December 18, 2017 #29 Share Posted December 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Truthseeker007 said: If you go back to the Mesopotamian stories you have the Anunnaki and from what I have read and learned they were Reptilian in nature which would answer how the serpent symbolism came into play. And for the plural form the Anunnaki were the gods or which humans thought were gods that genetically added their DNA which is also a serpent symbol with the Neanderthal to create what we would call Earthly humans. There were two half brothers Enki and Enlil. Enlil just wanted the humans to be a slave race but Enki had a love for the humans and added a gene for which the human can grow awareness and knowledge with every passing generation. So in Bible terms Enki was the serpent who gave humans knowledge. Enlil was the god who didn't want humans to have knowledge so they would remain as unaware and naked as an animal. That is what I have learned anyways in my research of the subject so take it or leave it. Yeah, also the name Genesis, if you take it apart like, 'gene sis," makes sense like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted December 18, 2017 #30 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, Opus Magnus said: Yeah, also the name Genesis, if you take it apart like, 'gene sis," makes sense like that. Wow I didn't even think of that! Great point and Wow! Yes gene sissss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 18, 2017 #31 Share Posted December 18, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 8:50 AM, raketata said: It is obvious that God made a big mistake when he created human. He is weak, mortal and able of sickness. Angels was created before human but are neither weak, mortal and able of sickness. Why God not created all of us angels? Why he needed to modify us as humans? . Many humans have chosen to believe in a god and leave what ever happens "in gods hands" because they believe it is "gods will" instead of respected nature and taking the time to learn how to live within nature without destroying it down to ignorance and selfishness and ....leaving it to god. This world would be a far better place if man had chosen to live side by side with his fellow man without prejudice because of religion and without ignorance of the real force on this planet...nature. Man created the god 'idea' - that was the big mistake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZDZ Posted December 19, 2017 #32 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 20 hours ago, Opus Magnus said: Because, when they were made, it says, "Now let us make man in our image." Signifying the plural, and it never says who the 'our' exactly is. So, there's a lot of things going on it doesn't tell us. Just after the time it was written this would have been a big mystery to people reading it. In our day, (since 2000 years ago) it's no longer a mystery thanks to the Bible being completed. Now we know "our image" meant the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's actually a sign for anyone willing to see the truth. It is evidence the LORD did have influence on what "holy men of old" (2 Peter 1:21) wrote down on behalf of the LORD. Some random person caught up in religious woo would have just wrote down 'let ME make man in MY image' but it said our image for a reason that would not be revealed until much later. This kind of thing happens a lot in the Bible and to anyone paying close enough attention they are often a quite remarkable sign of the LORD's hand at work in its creation. Thousands of years passing between a foreshadowing statement and it coming to pass / being understood. The LORD admits his mistake in Genesis 6:6 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Fortunately he didn't give up on us completely, the plan of salvation continues to play out. I don't think being an Angel would be all that great, raketata, they are probably just automatons always doing what they're told with clockwork precision. Edited December 19, 2017 by AZDZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 19, 2017 #33 Share Posted December 19, 2017 22 hours ago, Truthseeker007 said: There is also the Mesopotamian stories from which some of Genesis is based off of. If people think that the true story is of Eve eating an apple they have much to learn. That story in Genesis is more of a symbolic interpretation of what really happened. It's a bit of a leap to assume that anything "really happened" at all. The whole story surely is an allegory or parable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted December 19, 2017 #34 Share Posted December 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, AZDZ said: Just after the time it was written this would have been a big mystery to people reading it. In our day, (since 2000 years ago) it's no longer a mystery thanks to the Bible being completed. Now we know "our image" meant the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It's actually a sign for anyone willing to see the truth. It is evidence the LORD did have influence on what "holy men of old" (2 Peter 1:21) wrote down on behalf of the LORD. Some random person caught up in religious woo would have just wrote down 'let ME make man in MY image' but it said our image for a reason that would not be revealed until much later. This kind of thing happens a lot in the Bible and to anyone paying close enough attention they are often a quite remarkable sign of the LORD's hand at work in its creation. Thousands of years passing between a foreshadowing statement and it coming to pass / being understood. The LORD admits his mistake in Genesis 6:6 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Fortunately he didn't give up on us completely, the plan of salvation continues to play out. I don't think being an Angel would be all that great, raketata, they are probably just automatons always doing what they're told with clockwork precision. So you are saying your LORD isn't perfect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthseeker007 Posted December 19, 2017 #35 Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: It's a bit of a leap to assume that anything "really happened" at all. The whole story surely is an allegory or parable. I am glad we found something we can agree on that the Adam and Eve story is an allegory/parable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 19, 2017 #36 Share Posted December 19, 2017 This subject is narrow in it's essence, it is only relevent to those that believe in the bible so for me there is no mistake. I find it a discredit to humanity for one or a few disgruntled people to brand the whole of mankind by such negativity. Even just in this forum I meet members that hold very different veiws than myself and yet see that they are fine good people that express the traits of empathy, love for their fellow man and are leaders in their own right because of the way they express living in the world. Do you really need to have a god to love your fellow man? Why? jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted December 20, 2017 #37 Share Posted December 20, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 1:33 AM, and then said: I think we were created as we are exactly BECAUSE of the spiritual benefits that we get from struggle, pain and contemplating death. I also believe that our mortal bodies are just one stage of life. I think we are placed here in them to learn lessons. That's my take! Nicely put. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8th_wall Posted December 20, 2017 #38 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I've come to think that everything that exists does so perfectly. The only reason that the concept of imperfection exists is because there exists variance and the ability to compare between different states. Imperfection, to me, is a subjective belief, not an objective truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 20, 2017 #39 Share Posted December 20, 2017 3 hours ago, PsiSeeker said: I've come to think that everything that exists does so perfectly. The only reason that the concept of imperfection exists is because there exists variance and the ability to compare between different states. Imperfection, to me, is a subjective belief, not an objective truth. The alternative theory to that is that everything on the physical plane is imperfect, or at least falls short of perfection,and only true perfection can be found once one has achieved unity with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8th_wall Posted December 20, 2017 #40 Share Posted December 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: The alternative theory to that is that everything on the physical plane is imperfect, or at least falls short of perfection,and only true perfection can be found once one has achieved unity with God. I agree with the unity of God idea. I think the physical plane's appearance of imperfection is due to subjective interpretation though. Misery, strive... Torment... All exist, and does so perfectly. I did spend a time contemplating the idea of true evil. My thinking was that it could exist, but only momentarily. True evil shouldn't self propagate. I was toying around with the thought that what we perceive as the terrible shortcomings of existence are so far from the true terror of what could exist to be laughable. That perhaps we are already in a semi heavenly state compared to everything that could be. Nevertheless, perception is a powerful powerful thing. It tends to blow the reality of things way out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perdurabo Posted December 23, 2017 #41 Share Posted December 23, 2017 On 12/14/2017 at 2:50 AM, raketata said: It is obvious that God made a big mistake when he created human. He is weak, mortal and able of sickness. Angels was created before human but are neither weak, mortal and able of sickness. Why God not created all of us angels? Why he needed to modify us as humans? You dare judge God's work? What an imperfect thing to do! Lightning bolts incoming no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 24, 2017 #42 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) On 12/14/2017 at 3:50 AM, raketata said: It is obvious that God made a big mistake when he created human. He is weak, mortal and able of sickness. He is whatever he thinks he is (free will). On 12/14/2017 at 3:50 AM, raketata said: Angels was created before human but are neither weak, mortal and able of sickness. Humans take the red pill and come back stronger as sons and daughters of God; Angels blue pill all existence? On 12/14/2017 at 3:50 AM, raketata said: Why God not created all of us angels? Why he needed to modify us as humans? idk but my guess more dramatic and varied story lines, but you'l have to ask God yourself. If you directing a movie, better with plot twists and challenges or without? Edited December 24, 2017 by Area201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrodumbass Posted December 29, 2017 #43 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Our reality is thus: There is nothing and there is pure spirit. The limitless potential between the two extremes necessitate the manifestation of the physical world (the in-between). Somewhere in this manifestation we find ourselves, able to look in both directions to some degree. The nature of our existence places us in a place where we are drawn to spirit, and also drawn to destruction and nothingness. Humans are not a mistake, we are in-between trying to make sense and find our way to the spirit. We even create gods in our attempt to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartikg Posted December 29, 2017 #44 Share Posted December 29, 2017 hope God rectifies his mistake soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy333 Posted January 12, 2018 #45 Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 12/14/2017 at 2:50 AM, raketata said: It is obvious that God made a big mistake when he created human. He is weak, mortal and able of sickness. Angels was created before human but are neither weak, mortal and able of sickness. Why God not created all of us angels? Why he needed to modify us as humans? I don't blame God with having made a mistake creating humans. The fault lies with the serpent who was able to deceive Adam and Eve into believing God was not being truthful with them. So they went their own way, and that's when sin entered the world and humans became weak, mortal and able of sickness. This is a fallen world due to human error, not God's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 12, 2018 #46 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The biggest mistake was when mankind made the gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitterRose Posted January 12, 2018 #47 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Why God not created all of us angels? Maybe it's not God, and maybe it wanted an ant farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only_ Posted January 12, 2018 #48 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: The biggest mistake was when mankind made the gods. Are you ready for a near-life experience? Have you finally realized you would not fit in any time or place, not in the 60s, not in 20s and not in a plot of Game of Thrones or Downton Abbey. That you are an allogenes, or 'stranger' in greek; the passer-by in the Gospel of Thomas. Have you had enough calluses in the palm of your left hand (path) because of all the psychic m********ion you've done in occultism and New Age? Edited January 12, 2018 by TruthSeeker_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticwerewolf Posted January 12, 2018 #49 Share Posted January 12, 2018 On 12/14/2017 at 0:50 AM, raketata said: It is obvious that God made a big mistake when he created human. He is weak, mortal and able of sickness. Angels was created before human but are neither weak, mortal and able of sickness. Why God not created all of us angels? Why he needed to modify us as humans? personally I think it created humans because it needed someone to blame and punish for everything not being perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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