Piney Posted December 23, 2017 #26 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Just now, papageorge1 said: No Easter Bunny. OK. I'm a Redbonz rat who lives in a "eat or Be eaten" world. I have to stay grounded in reality and my attitude is what keeps me alive and unharmed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted December 23, 2017 #27 Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Piney said: OK. I'm a Redbonz rat who lives in a "eat or Be eaten" world. I have to stay grounded in reality and my attitude is what keeps me alive and unharmed. I’m all for being grounded in reality. I believe that reality probably includes the Mary of Guadalupe fame. You can believe this and also be fully functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted December 23, 2017 #28 Share Posted December 23, 2017 There is no mystery. This is a simple case of no mystery. There are no images of people in the eyes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted December 23, 2017 #29 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Piney Quote It was nothing more than a Aztec Corn Mother Priest trying to preserve her sacred site and some semblance of her worship by syncretizing her with the Virgin Mary. .. Now that's an interesting idea. The picture in my head has long been the Spanish Catholic officials taking the initiative, to turn a popular religious figure into a Catholic religious figure, etc., because that was good for business. But if I'm understanding you, you're saying that it was Cuauhtlatohuac (a.k.a. Juan Diego) who preserved his religion by tricking the invaders to identify the goddess whom he served with their iconic figure (and goddess in all but a pious reluctance to use the g-word for her whom they do call the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God). I don't know what really happened, of course, but I think I like your picture better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted December 23, 2017 #30 Share Posted December 23, 2017 24 minutes ago, eight bits said: Piney Now that's an interesting idea. The picture in my head has long been the Spanish Catholic officials taking the initiative, to turn a popular religious figure into a Catholic religious figure, etc., because that was good for business. But if I'm understanding you, you're saying that it was Cuauhtlatohuac (a.k.a. Juan Diego) who preserved his religion by tricking the invaders to identify the goddess whom he served with their iconic figure (and goddess in all but a pious reluctance to use the g-word for her whom they do call the Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God). I don't know what really happened, of course, but I think I like your picture better. I read a book in prison written by a priest on the subject. He hinted around to the same theory. I can't remember the book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mConvinced Posted December 23, 2017 #31 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Pareidolia is in the eye of Our Lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyDolly Posted December 27, 2017 #32 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I've looked at the picture of Our Lady of Guadalupe at the eyes. To me they look like simply that eyes, but in the link I could see what they are talking about. But whether the image is an illusion or real I can't say. There are by the way images of the Virgin of Guadalupe wearing a crown. You might want to Google that. Supposedly the original had on a crown, but maybe later to help preserve the image at some point the crown was painted out. Most images which folks know don't have the crown. Also, you might want to read James Mitchner's Iberia, about his travels in Spain. He mentions a shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spain. Now this one is way older and revovles around a statute of Mary. During the moorish invasion of Spain, the statute was hidden away for protection. It was later found by a shepherd I believe and a church was built where it was found. It might be the one in Mexico was named for the spanish shrine. To me though, what is more remarkable is the Holy Shroud of Turin, and the Holy Face of Manopello in Italy. It is an image of the face of a man, believed to be Christ on what they call sea silk, sandwiched between two pieces of glass. The image was in Rome at one time. It disappeared I believe during the sack of Rome, and later turned up in Manopello. You might also check out some of the eucharistic miracles as well which have been subjected to scientific study. These to me as a catholic are more remarkable than the eyes of Our Lady of Guadalupe, for they invovle Jesus Himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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