The Death of Net Neutrality

[ExpandMyMind]

8 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

There's a method to my madness and a point I'm making. 

Well you've made it, and insulted plenty of people who use the internet while doing so.

[XenoFish]

7 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Well you've made it, and insulted plenty of people who use the internet while doing so.

Have I really? In all honesty. Can you really speak for all of those people? 

[bmk1245]

OK, wouldn't it be the ground for new players? Some folks with some $ sure can start ISP business (well, start small, grow bigger). I know, you can kill business, but...

Anyway, decision is stupid, and it may blow back to decision makers. "Did I just said that?.. Kryten!!!"

[Truthseeker007]

23 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Today (12/14/2017) the FCC voted to repeal Net Neutrality.

For those that don't know how this will affect us, here you go:

 

Lord knows how this will affect UM, but it'll affect everything else we do online.

Today is the official death day of the internet. Welcome to a new Orwellian future.

It is most definitely Orwellian. The controllers know they are losing a handle on things. The good news is that we will just invent a way of going around it.

[Truthseeker007]

What is net neutrality?

This term has been kicking around for several years, but most people struggle to define it.

When net neutrality is enforced, as it is right now, all internet service providers must allow equal access to apps and content, regardless of the source. If it were not enforced, your internet service provider could make it harder for you to access parts of the internet at its own discretion.

What will the internet look like without net neutrality?

Without the assurance of net neutrality, large internet companies could favor their own business interests. Telecom giants and Silicon Valley titans are likely to lobby lawmakers in the coming days and weeks, but for now, net neutrality could affect everything from internet speed to overall access.

Slower speeds

The elimination of net neutrality means that internet providers can carve up service into fast and slow lanes, charging more for higher speeds. Comcast could demand fees from Netflix, for example, in exchange for preferential treatment. (In response to the FCC plan, Netflix took to Twitter to show “strong support” for net neutrality.)

If content companies don’t want to pay, internet service providers could make them so slow that they’re unwatchable or even block access to competitors’ sites.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/21/what-net-neutrality-means-for-you/

[SHaYap]

I think some of you folks here are looking at it all wrong ... this is what is 'stakes' are all about ... and that will affect your steaks ...
 

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[LV-426]

I've watched a few sci-fi shows recently, where governments are replaced by corporations and trade cartels.

It's starting to look more like science fact than science fiction...

[ExpandMyMind]

5 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

I've watched a few sci-fi shows recently, where governments are replaced by corporations and trade cartels.

It's starting to look more like science fact than science fiction...

Continuum?

[LV-426]

Just now, ExpandMyMind said:

Continuum?

Yep, that was one of them

Dark Matter was another.

[ExpandMyMind]

6 minutes ago, LV-426 said:

Yep, that was one of them

Dark Matter was another.

Two great shows and both, but especially Continuum,  are extremely relevant to what we see going on in the world.

Have you heard of Eric Prince? He looks to be leading the drive for corporations to do what they want all over the world. I keep meaning to start a thread about him.

P.S. RIP Dark Matter. Taken from us too soon.

Edited December 15, 2017 by ExpandMyMind

[F3SS]

5 hours ago, Aquila King said:

And people wonder why Millennials like myself overwhelmingly support socialism.

No, we are pretty sure that we know why that is. The logical conclusion is that you must be extremely naive and unaware about what you are asking for. 

 

I feel like like even if we begin to see these terrible scenarios that sooner or later the market will correct itself in time. A decade or so ago cable companies were feared for their near monopolies and ability to charge whatever they wanted because they were the only deal in town then streaming services came and now they’re huge and cost effective for us and are pushing cable out of peoples living rooms and forcing cable companies to find comparable ways to compete.

I see a cause for concern here but I don’t see a cause for hysteria.

[AnchorSteam]

9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Probly won't be once it's actually implemented, but go on. Keep talkin' tough.

Excuse me?

9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

No matter how you look at it you're paying a s**t ton more for less service.

My bill hasn't changed one bit.

I cut the chord with my TV service, and they have been offering all sorts of great deals ever since. If I felt like taking it up, I'd be getting to practically for free.

9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Woah there buddy, bit of a stretch there.

You don't have to hate anyone to know these multi-billion dollar service providers are screwing us all over here.

Not a stretch at all. You are assuming that all these businessmen are greedy evil stupid and crazy, by virtue of the fact that they ARE business men.

I don't de-humanize an entire industry, I know that all organizations are made up of people, flawed human beings but generally alright and having a balanced view of the world if they know what's good for their company. 

If they don't, they either go under or turn to the Govt for subsidies, like Tesla, or go Crony Capitalist, like G.E.

9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

That's an entirely separate topic.

We're talking here about our national ISPs creating a monopoly on the internet here in America.

Net Neutrality didn't do a thing about it cause it's completely unrelated.

Then why is Geo-Domain limitations one of the 5 big topics in the very brief Vid that is the centerpiece of the OP of this very thread?

I guess that makes one down, 4 to go. 

9 hours ago, Aquila King said:

Do you ignore the fact that we hate Trump for specific reasons such as this?

Can't ignore the fact that you Hate Trump at all, that does appear to be your primary motive in all of this.

[Aquila King]

4 hours ago, F3SS said:

No, we are pretty sure that we know why that is. The logical conclusion is that you must be extremely naive and unaware about what you are asking for. 

I am sick to death of the previous generation talkin' s**t about Millennials.

The previous generation almost single-handedly:

•  Droped the wealthiest people's tax rate by over 70%
• Increased our tax rate by over 40%
• Sent us to war against a country that didn't attack us (Iraq)
• Nearly crashed the world economy by letting the big banks run wild on Wall Street (stock market crash of 2008)
• Increased the cost of privatized healthcare while providing no government support of their own, despite nearly every other modern nation providing healthcare as a fundamental right to it's citizens
• Does nothing to increase the federal minimum wage despite decades of inflation, putting us behind every other modern nation on Earth
• Actually increased the cost of college
• shipped most of our jobs oversees
• And transferred half the nation's wealth to the top one-tenth of 1% of people in the country while over 50% - yes - over 50% of our nation earning at or below the poverty line barely makes ends meet.
• etc. etc...

Then they have the audacity to complain about us millennials being the 'laziest' and 'worst' generation. 

They need a damn wake up call and a firm kick to the ass. They're the reason we're so F'd up.

No, we're done with the corporatocracy, we're done with the corruption, we're done with the pay-to-play politics and special interests buying elections, we're done getting systematically screwed over by the previous generation and then blamed for the mess they made. WE'RE DONE.

Viva la Revoluccion!!

[Saru]

Back on topic please.

[pallidin]

The basic value surrounding "net neutrality" is simple... diverse content providers having equal speed over the carrier infrastructure.

For example, without net neutrality, a regional internet carrier could decide that CNN.com is more politically favorable to themselves than FOXNews.com... and allow CNN full speed and force FOX to crawl.

Thus, tired of the "crawl", FOX viewers might opt to get their news from CNN.

Or, for a different carrier, the situation described might be reversed.

The above issue is exactly why the very idea of net neutrality was born.

So this is how I understand the premise behind net neutrality.

Hope this helps.

[+joc]

On 12/14/2017 at 5:02 PM, Aquila King said:

It works that way still, until the corporations take it over. Which they just did.

Think about what you just said....lol...but think about it in this light:

One of two Entities is going to be in control of everything that is...either...corporations...or The Government.

Now...ask yourself this question...who do you trust more to get your packages delivered faster and more economically?  Fed EX, UPS, or The Post Office.   Who do you want in control?   corporations...all they really want is your money...or the government...who has the power to TAKE your money, TAKE away your Freedoms, and basically you have no recourse.  You can effectively sue a corporation...good luck suing the Federal Government.

Net Neutrality was put into effect by Obama.  Think back...were you sitting around going, Damn it Man!  I wish the Fed Gov would do something about this Freaking Internet!!??

The Government wants to control the Media as well...and they did...remember The Fairness Doctrine?

Ah, the good ole days of Communist Rule ....  thank Reagan and Trump they are behind us now!

 

Edited December 16, 2017 by joc

[ExpandMyMind]

19 minutes ago, joc said:

Net Neutrality was put into effect by Obama.  Think back...were you sitting around going, Damn it Man!  I wish the Fed Gov would do something about this Freaking Internet!!??

No, but I'm pretty sure Netflix and the entire IT community were.

[Tiggs]

49 minutes ago, joc said:

.Net Neutrality was put into effect by Obama.  Think back...were you sitting around going, Damn it Man!  I wish the Fed Gov would do something about this Freaking Internet!!??

Yes. Mostly because ISP's had started to abuse it.
 

49 minutes ago, joc said:

Now...ask yourself this question...who do you trust more to get your packages delivered faster and more economically?  Fed EX, UPS, or The Post Office.   Who do you want in control?   corporations...all they really want is your money...or the government...who has the power to TAKE your money, TAKE away your Freedoms, and basically you have no recourse.  You can effectively sue a corporation...good luck suing the Federal Government.

Some government legislation is necessary to stop abuse.

Without Net Neutrality, ISP's can legally use deep packet inspection on your internet traffic, in order to shape it.

That means they can peek inside everything you do on the internet which is unencrypted.

And then, they can pass that information to data companies, along with identifying information including your precise geolocation.

It's like allowing Fedex to open and rummage through your post and packages, before deciding how fast they're going to deliver it -- or even if they're going to deliver it --  and then selling other companies information about what you've received in the mail.

Net Neutrality is legislation telling Fedex it's not allowed to open your mail.

[+joc]

2 hours ago, Tiggs said:

Yes. Mostly because ISP's had started to abuse it.
 

Some government legislation is necessary to stop abuse.

Without Net Neutrality, ISP's can legally use deep packet inspection on your internet traffic, in order to shape it.

That means they can peek inside everything you do on the internet which is unencrypted.

And then, they can pass that information to data companies, along with identifying information including your precise geolocation.

It's like allowing Fedex to open and rummage through your post and packages, before deciding how fast they're going to deliver it -- or even if they're going to deliver it --  and then selling other companies information about what you've received in the mail.

Net Neutrality is legislation telling Fedex it's not allowed to open your mail.

It s what it is....there are ways around that...without the Fed ruling over it

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

If the Federal Government doesn’t exist to stop the people being exploited by corporations, then what good is it?

[+joc]

2 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

No, but I'm pretty sure Netflix and the entire IT community were.

Why? Do you really think they all asked Obama to fix it?

 

[Michelle]

10 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

If the Federal Government doesn’t exist to stop the people being exploited by corporations, then what good is it?

I know! That's their job. They do it with the electricity, natural gas and water. They used to do it with land line phones.

[ExpandMyMind]

4 minutes ago, joc said:

Why? Do you really think they all asked Obama to fix it?

 

If you don't know why then you should probably read the thread.

[Aquila King]

2 hours ago, joc said:

Think about what you just said....lol...but think about it in this light:

Lol, I'll admit I could've worded it better. Typed it and hit send real quick, but I made my point.

2 hours ago, joc said:

One of two Entities is going to be in control of everything that is...either...corporations...or The Government.

Net Neutrality is not 'control of everything', if anything it's the opposite of that. It prevents corporations from controlling the flow of information on the web.

And as for government control, if this was truly a democracy, then it would be a government of, by, and for the people; which means we are the ones who would be in effect controlling the internet, by electing officials to legislate laws the American people want. Not for profit, not by screwing us over, but for our own benefit since we would in essence be writing said laws.

Of course that's the ideal scenario. Unfortunately our politicians do the bidding of their corporate donors, so this 'big bad government' you conservatives are always scared of isn't the one screwing us over. It's the corruption that's fed by the corporations who control the politicians by gigantic campaign contributions (bribes basically) to act in the best interest of these millionaires and billionaires and big corporations, and NOT in the best interests of the American people.

To put it simply: The government is only screwing you over because the corporations essentially run the government. Not the American people. If this government functioned as it was supposed to (of, by, and for the people; a true democracy), then there'd be nothing about the government to fear.

2 hours ago, joc said:

Now...ask yourself this question...who do you trust more to get your packages delivered faster and more economically?  Fed EX, UPS, or The Post Office. 

They all pretty much do the same job if you ask me. Doesn't matter to me personally.

Kind of a subjective preference sorta thing, really.

2 hours ago, joc said:

Who do you want in control?   corporations...all they really want is your money...or the government...who has the power to TAKE your money, TAKE away your Freedoms, and basically you have no recourse.  You can effectively sue a corporation...good luck suing the Federal Government.

Again, the corporations are the ones screwing you over through the government.

I'm not saying corporations are inherently evil, they're just all money making machines. Therefore they only care about one thing: Profit.

It's simple. They give huge sums of money in campaign contributions to politicians (which are basically bribes), and in exchange they expect the political favors that benefit them and screw over you. If you fix the corruption in Washington by getting money out of politics and put the power back into the American people, then there's nothing to fear of the government since it's essentially run by the people to work in a way that's best for them, not just the corporations.

And btw, when we pay taxes, that isn't the government 'taking' our money like a thief (or at least it shouldn't be, kinda is now, but that can be fixed by doing the above), that's us as Americans paying into things like public roads and bridges, schools, military, etc. WE THE PEOPLE are funding this s**t. It's not the government 'taking' our money any more than we let them take it. The only reason our taxes are so high now is because the corporations control the politicians to suck out tons of taxes on the poor and middle class, and give MASSIVE tax cuts to the fabulously wealthy. This isn't just unfair, it's insane and immoral.

3 hours ago, joc said:

Net Neutrality was put into effect by Obama.  Think back...were you sitting around going, Damn it Man!  I wish the Fed Gov would do something about this Freaking Internet!!??

This is just factually incorrect. Obama fought to uphold Net Neutrality, he didn't 'found' it.

3 hours ago, joc said:

The Government wants to control the Media as well...and they did...remember The Fairness Doctrine?

You seriously want to complain about the government controlling the media, while opposing Net Neutrality? This decision is the ultimate control of media right here. Now the dissemination of information in controlled by people who want to maximize profits, and will therefore censor anything online that hurts their business. Under Net Neutrality anyone could post anything anywhere online, and had the same internet speed so no one could control what sites you go on. It's literally total equality!

If you're worried about corruption controlling the internet, then you should be fighting to maintain Net Neutrality here. You're arguing against yourself.

3 hours ago, joc said:

Ah, the good ole days of Communist Rule ....  thank Reagan and Trump they are behind us now!

Sure, trade Communism for Fascism.

Sounds like a fair deal.

[Aquila King]

 

Corporations run the government by buying politicians, use the government to boost profits and thereby screw over average folks, then feed propaganda to the masses about the 'evils of the federal government', convincing millions that the cause of all their woes is government control, when in reality it's corporate control of the government.