seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #226 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Area201 said: I think a lot of the AA theories are crap. But not all. They are all crap. That series of vids....which is a breakdown of the 3 hour vid above....has been ripped to shreds by many other websites and forums Now talk about GULLIBLE......AA theory is the peak of it The fossil record is very strong... how we turned from ape like creatures to modern man over time...WE SEE THOSE CHANGES IN THE FOSSIL RECORD.. Heres the whales ancestor...for example....now why would the AA have manipulated a 4 legged creature to change into a whale? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071220220241.htm and please dont mention a theory is not a fact...because its BOTH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #227 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) Okay so here is one discussion on "There is no Evidence". I found a strong reply in one of the comments below. There's so many people who are lying and "gullible" apparently, from nuclear physicist like Stranton Friedman (who's been studying this as much as anyone here or longer) to those with PhDs and Medical Degrees. They all are either lying to the public or gullible. mr starfire7 months ago "This is so frustrating guys .. A lot of us that believe in ufos hate the fact that there is so much bull**** out there on the subject .I ALWAYS! assume that videos and sightings are either a hoax or miss identification first before coming to the conclusion that its unidentified .. Even then i do not say its alien i simply say its unidentified. . I believe because i have seen something i can not explain to this day .. Just because something is improbable does not make it impossible guys . I know how it feels to beat your head against a wall trying to tell people that something is not real . I have told countless people that the idea that the earth is flat is ****ing stupid and has NO basis in reality .And i myself have been called a shill . .You are clearly not stupid guys but you are also guilty of being stuck in your beliefs. No matter what your thoughts are on Dr Steven Greer i challenge you to call every single one of his witnesses liars ..If even one of those witnesses are telling the truth then you have to question your beliefs .And if you still refuse to give the idea the time of day you are just as bad as those people you ridicule" Edited December 16, 2017 by Area201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fila Posted December 16, 2017 Author #228 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 16/12/2017 at 1:48 PM, Merc14 said: That you don't see the problem here speaks volumes. Fraud is fraud, that you are willing to draw distinctions based on your personal beliefs is also very telling. If you can't argue that a fraud is a liar and win then you are pretty much a moron, delusional or incredibly gullible, with a touch of the moron and delusional mixed in. I don't think you are that but maybe you can enlighten me. Spot on mate and yes, this is a tough crowd and we eat our own. If I screw up then I get nailed as hard as anyone else, keeps you on your toes and you said you wanted to learn how to research so stand by, there are some very accomplished folks here that I am still far behind on the learning curve. Honestly, one of the best aspects f this place is how much you can learn and no, you won't get away with anything. A fraud is a fraud, no need to give them any amount of trust. Yet some people will ignore anything BUT their fraudulent "evidence". Right or wrong about what? You have not stated a position here yet to challenge. I do not participate in arguing semantics. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #229 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, seeder said: They are all crap. That series of vids....which is a breakdown of the 3 hour vid above....has been ripped to shreds by many other websites and forums Now talk about GULLIBLE......AA theory is the peak of it The fossil record is very strong... how we turned from ape like creatures to modern man over time...WE SEE THOSE CHANGES IN THE FOSSIL RECORD.. Heres the whales ancestor...for example....now why would the AA have manipulated a 4 legged creature to change into a whale? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071220220241.htm and please dont mention a theory is not a fact...because its BOTH The AA show brings together every possible angle on the ancient aliens general theory, so we need to focus on particular shows/arguments by specific people on the show, and not the entire series as a whole. I agree there a lot of crap on there but need to be specific. Okay so lets go.. The theory of whale evolution.. not sure if you watched the show then or you get the concept. The claims are for human dna being manipulated at some point in their evolutionary path, this is argued due to the increase in the brain and shape in a relatively short period of time. I don't know anything about intervention of whales from four legged animals nor have I heard that before discussed in anything related to AA theory, maybe I missed that episode. The beauty of AA theory is that it's not dismissing human evolution, but complements the theory in that there was an intervention at some point, while simultanously providing a more practical and realistic interpretation of creation of man in the Bible. The focus is on homo sapiens and his brain region/design jumping on the scene seeming "out of no where" or in a very short timespan, not whale evolution theory from four legged land animal. Edited December 16, 2017 by Area201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #230 Share Posted December 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, Area201 said: Okay so here is one discussion on "There is no Evidence". I found a strong reply in one of the comments below. There's so many people who are lying and "gullible" apparently, from nuclear physicist like Stranton Friedman (who's been studying this as much as anyone here or longer) to those with PhDs and Medical Degrees. They all are either lying to the public or gullible. Stanton Friedman can ONLY study the SAME STUFF we all find online....he sells BOOKS remember, DVD's.....charges money for lectures on UFO's etc....thats how he makes MONEY and when you say: to those with PhDs and Medical Degrees. They all are either lying to the public or gullible. Have you any idea how many QUALIFIED people, PHd's etc....are sitting in jails for frauds or other crimes... Micheal Jacksons doctor being one.... yes high;y qualified with Phd's etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #231 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Area201 said: The show brings together every possible angle on the ancient aliens general theory, so we need to focus on particular shows/arguments by specific people on the show, and not the entire series as a whole I agree there a lot of crap on there but need to be specific. Okay so lets go.. The theory of whale evolution.. not sure if you watched the show then or you get the concept. The claims are for human dna being manipulated at some point in their evolutionary path, this is argued due to the increase in the brain and shape in a relatively short period of time. I don't know anything about intervention of whales from four legged animals nor have I heard that before discussed in anything related to AA theory, maybe I missed that episode. The beauty of AA theory is that it's not dismissing human evolution, but complements the theory in that there was an intervention at some point, while simultanously providing a more practical and realistic interpretation of creation of man in the Bible. The focus is on homo sapiens and his brain region/design jumping on the scene seeming "out of no where" or in a very short timespan, not whale evolution theory from four legged land animal. The beauty of AA theory.... you say... my god there is no beauty to it....it uses half truths... twisted truths... and total lies,,,rfor which NO evidence exists whatsoever EVERY SINGLE THING ON THIS PLANET.....EVOLVED FROM SOMETHING ELSE. and evolution STILL takes place today....No aliens needed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #232 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, seeder said: Stanton Friedman can ONLY study the SAME STUFF we all find online....he sells BOOKS remember, DVD's.....charges money for lectures on UFO's etc....thats how he makes MONEY and when you say: to those with PhDs and Medical Degrees. They all are either lying to the public or gullible. Have you any idea how many QUALIFIED people, PHd's etc....are sitting in jails for frauds or other crimes... Micheal Jacksons doctor being one.... yes high;y qualified with Phd's etc >Someone makes money off of dvds, books etc, Therefore he is a fraud/his ideas are false.< This is a very illogical statement/conclusion to make. Come on dude. Do we really have to explain how stupid/irrational what you wrote here is? Right, appeal to authority again fallacy sure. The fact is there is a compelling amount of evidence that people have researched and studied which has led them to conclude such things exist. You interpret the evidence in a way that you think is debunking, but that is not the case for me or many others. The "evidence" is a combination of many things, and no one thing, including witnesses and video/audio/radar tracking and ejecta of ET phenomenon. You may think these are bogus, but we think your assessment is bogus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #233 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Mankind is still evolving and changing....who is doing that? Nature is....not aliens...what will we look like hundreds of thousands of tears from today? Because it wont be quite the same as we are now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #234 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, seeder said: Mankind is still evolving and changing....who is doing that? Nature is....not aliens...what will we look like hundreds of thousands of tears from today? Because it wont be quite the same as we are now Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering Game. Set. Match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #235 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, Area201 said: >Someone makes money off of dvds, books etc, Therefore he is a fraud/his ideas are false.< Yes they do.... Eric Von Daniken literally started the AA theory off with his books, and the AA series quoted him often... what they didnt know is, he was a convicted fraudster.... FACT Quote Erich Anton Paul von Däniken (/ˈɛrɪk fɒn ˈdɛnɪkɪn/; German: [ˈeːrɪç fɔn ˈdɛːnɪkən]; born 14 April 1935) is a Swiss author of several books which make claims about extraterrestrial influences on early human culture, including the best-selling Chariots of the Gods?, published in 1968. Von Däniken is one of the main figures responsible for popularizing the "paleo-contact" and ancient astronauts hypotheses. The ideas put forth in his books are rejected by a majority of scientists and academics, who categorize his work as pseudohistory, pseudoarchaeology, and pseudoscience Von Däniken was born in Zofingen, Aargau. Brought up as a Roman Catholic, he attended the Saint-Michel International Catholic School in Fribourg, Switzerland. During his time at the school he rejected the church's interpretations of the Bible and developed an interest in astronomy and the phenomenon of flying saucers.[5] At the age of 19, he was given a four-month suspended sentence for theft.[5] He left the school and was apprenticed to a Swiss hotelier for a time,[6] before moving to Egypt. In December 1964, von Däniken wrote Hatten unsere Vorfahren Besuch aus dem Weltraum? ("Did our Ancestors have a Visit from Space?") for the German-Canadian periodical Der Nordwesten.[7] While in Egypt, he was involved in a jewelry deal which resulted in a nine-month conviction for fraud and embezzlement upon his return to Switzerland.[5] Following his release, von Däniken became manager of the Hotel Rosenhügel in Davos, Switzerland, during which time he wrote Chariots of the Gods? (German Erinnerungen an die Zukunft, which literally translated is "Memories of the Future"), working on the manuscript late at night after the hotel's guests had retired.[8] The draft of the book was turned down by several publishers. Econ Verlag (now part of Ullstein Verlag) was willing to publish the book after a complete reworking by a professional author, Utz Utermann, who used the pseudonym of Wilhelm Roggersdorf. Utermann was a former Schriftleiter of Völkischer Beobachter and had been a Nazi bestselling author.[9] The re-write of Chariots of the Gods? was accepted for publication early in 1967, but not printed until March 1968.[8] Against all expectations, the book gained widespread interest and became a bestseller. Von Däniken was paid 7 percent of the book's turnover, while 3 percent went to Utermann.[10] In 1970, Der Spiegel stated a hype about von Däniken and called it Dänikitis, a pun on Meningitis and other infections.[11] In November 1968 von Däniken was arrested for fraud, after falsifying hotel records and credit references in order to take out loans[8] for $130,000 over a period of twelve years. He used the money for foreign travel to research his book.[5] Two years later,[8] von Däniken was convicted for "repeated and sustained" embezzlement, fraud, and forgery, with the court ruling that the writer had been living a "playboy" lifestyle.[12] He unsuccessfully entered a plea of nullity, on the grounds that his intentions were not malicious and that the credit institutions were at fault for failing adequately to research his references,[5][8][12] and on 13 February 1970 he was sentenced to three and a half years imprisonment and was also fined 3,000 francs.[8][13] He served one year of this sentence before being released.[5][14] His first book, Chariots of the Gods?, had been published by the time of his trial, and its sales allowed him to repay his debts and leave the hotel business. Von Däniken wrote his second book, Gods from Outer Space, while in prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_Däniken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #236 Share Posted December 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Area201 said: Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering Game. Set. Match. what the hell is that link? Try this one Humans are still evolving—and we can watch it happen http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/humans-are-still-evolving-and-we-can-watch-it-happen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #237 Share Posted December 16, 2017 I repeat this bit Quote Yes they do.... Eric Von Daniken literally started the AA theory off with his books, and the AA series quoted him often... what they didnt know is, he was a convicted fraudster.... FACT so the man who was literally the father of the AA theory....was a fraudster who spent time in jail.... But the gullible people believe it all of course...dont you? theres a reason I have this quote under my posts “It's easier to fool people - than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #238 Share Posted December 16, 2017 what a lot of the believers/new members seem to forget....is that there are those of us...who have been thru this many times... for you...its all new info and exciting theories of the AA....for those like me....its just another yawn and "here we go again" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #239 Share Posted December 16, 2017 39 minutes ago, Area201 said: The focus is on homo sapiens and his brain region/design jumping on the scene seeming "out of no where" or in a very short timespan, what is the very short time span you mention? Because science show us that it took nearly 7 million years....whats a "short timespan" about that. see how gullible you've been to believe that nonsense? Quote Across nearly seven million years, the human brain has tripled in size, with most of this growth occurring in the past two million years. Determining brain changes over time is tricky. We have no ancient brains to weigh on a scale. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-has-human-brain-evolved/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #240 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, seeder said: I repeat this bit so the man who was literally the father of the AA theory....was a fraudster who spent time in jail.... But the gullible people believe it all of course...dont you? theres a reason I have this quote under my posts “It's easier to fool people - than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain I see you have a lot of quotes under your posts. Again you are wrong. The father of AA theory who Erich von Däniken based his book Chariots on was Zecharia Stitchin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin The fact someone makes money off of DVDs itself, does not say anything if what they claim is real/valid/or have merit. The fact that you can't seem to grasp that, not a good sign to take you seriously you can't get a simple logical statement like this. We don't live in a socialist state, people make a living. You are attacking the wrong aspect and it's irrelevant. There's lots of people who were jailed for crimes they did not commit or falsely charged with. Edited December 16, 2017 by Area201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #241 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, seeder said: what a lot of the believers/new members seem to forget....is that there are those of us...who have been thru this many times... for you...its all new info and exciting theories of the AA....for those like me....its just another yawn and "here we go again" You don't know me. I've been looking into this for a couple decades myself and engaged in discussions. Not here maybe. New developments arise such as managed disclosure etc. Edited December 16, 2017 by Area201 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #242 Share Posted December 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Area201 said: Again you are wrong. The father of AA theory who Erich von Däniken based his book Chariots on was Zecharia Stitchin. Nope, you are wrong again Quote Paleocontact or "ancient astronaut" narratives first appeared in the early science fiction of the late 19th to early 20th century. The idea was proposed in earnest by Harold T. Wilkins in 1954; Well-known proponents in the latter half of the 20th century who have written numerous books or appear regularly in mass media include Erich von Däniken, Zecharia Sitchin, Robert K. G. Temple, Giorgio A. Tsoukalos and David Hatcher Childress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts youre not very good at this are you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #243 Share Posted December 16, 2017 and kindly answer my post where you claimed the human brain changed very rapidly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #244 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, seeder said: Nope, you are wrong again youre not very good at this are you? oh wow, your ego feels better now thinking you showed me wrong? The fact remains in mass media first guy was Stitchken, and even if you updated my info better you also showed you were wrong in your first assessment, so you proved yourself wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 16, 2017 #245 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, seeder said: and kindly answer my post where you claimed the human brain changed very rapidly? That's pretty extensive reply/ with links. I've been up all night and it's 3 am here. I don't have time to do atm. Maybe later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #246 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Just now, Area201 said: oh wow, your ego feels better now thinking you showed me wrong? The fact remains in mass media first guy was Stitchken, and even if you updated my info better you also showed you were wrong in your first assessment, so you proved yourself wrong you must have misread the post, the very first guy to propose it called it science fiction.... later authors suggested it was fact 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted December 16, 2017 #247 Share Posted December 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Area201 said: You don't know me. I've been looking into this for a couple decades myself and engaged in discussions. Not here maybe. New developments arise such as managed disclosure etc. I dont have to know you.... a man is known by the beliefs he has 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fila Posted December 16, 2017 Author #248 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) On 16/12/2017 at 1:13 PM, Dejarma said: "OK seriously now: Doesn't the lack of evidence form a conclusion for you? It has for me! There is no solid evidence= as in something science can work with" Not really because a lack of this type of evidence does not form a conclusion. You do not need "solid evidence that science can work with" to prompt an investigation. When you refer to solid evidence.., do you mean DNA, piece of wreckage or technology etc? Or.., just really good video footage? Because DNA / tech from a UFO would be proof they exist., not just evidence. Also the conclusion comes after the investigation.., or experiments. Maybe I can explain it like this. When someone is robbed at home.., they don't need to search for clues to prove it happened. They just make a report to the police.., who may come and check for DNA, fingerprints, or tools (looking for solid evidence after reading the report) and look at the data to figure it out. The UFO witnesses are the same. They don't have the skill set that the police do (scientists) who can make attempts to look into it (Hessdalen). If we cannot identify the thief with a fingerprint match, or DNA because they were careful enough to wear gloves and sealed clothes.., then that does not mean the case is closed.., or solved.., or must have been something else. There's not much a UFO witness can do, besides make observations.., and perhaps film the object (which we are all seeing will just add to the collection of blurry UFO photos as the thread http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/314077-can-a-picturevideo-prove-ets-exist/ I think we have enough of this form of evidence.., to call for a proper investigation with scientific instruments. Rather than leaving it up to the victim to prove, only with words.., and maybe some bad images. Edited December 16, 2017 by Fila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fila Posted December 16, 2017 Author #249 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 16/12/2017 at 1:13 PM, Dejarma said: So you are a believer then! At last you've told us all where you stand.. Well done == though you didn't mean to of course because you didn't think before typing.. A believer in what? You may need to quote this for me so I can see what you are talking about. Because I am not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fila Posted December 16, 2017 Author #250 Share Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) I just wanted to add something to the thread's topic to help gullible people to stop believing sketchy information. I was thinking something like this for example. Its an explanation on backing up claims we want to make. So if I wanted to say something like... "It is false to assume UFOs do not exist.., based on the assumption that Governments / NASA can detect everything with radar and satellites etc" I would need to provide a reference otherwise it is just my opinion. "We track our cars, we track our kids' cell phones, but we can't track airplanes when they are over oceans or other remote areas." - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/malaysia-jet-saga-highlights-radar-deficiencies/5338720" Once they pass out of range of land-based radar, a few hundred kilometres away, aircraft are often on their own until they’re picked up by the next receiver. Weather satellites take low-resolution pictures of the entire planet each day, but the high-resolution images needed to search for a plane are less frequent, says Jonathan McDowell of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center For Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Factoring in things like maintenance, cloud cover and the fact that they don’t take images all the time, that probably means at most 5 per cent of the planet is imaged in high-resolution each day, he says. The US National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) has an extensive network of spy satellites that cover the globe but it is not the NRO’s job to track commercial airliners. The satellites’ orbits are public knowledge. They may not have been imaging all the time Many satellites don’t take pictures in visible light, but use other wavelengths instead. The NRO’s infrared satellites look for the heat signatures of missile launches around the world. -https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25221-did-us-spy-satellites-track-malaysia-flight-mh370/ Using a system that looks for flashes around the world, the Pentagon reviewed preliminary surveillance data from the area where the plane disappeared and saw no evidence of an explosion, - https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0, Edited December 16, 2017 by Fila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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