Mr Walker Posted December 18, 2017 #276 Share Posted December 18, 2017 20 hours ago, I'mConvinced said: I agree that the evidence of God's communication is only in the head of those that believe. Any conclusion, as to the existence or not of a deity, that you try to draw from this 'evidence' is at best guesswork. I'm not bound to disappointment because it is my sincere hope that there is no God as described by any human. Finding no evidence is the perfect scenario for me. In all honesty Will it surprises me that people look around this world and feel that a benevolent deity is looking after it all. The evidence against a personal God is far more weighty and substantive than the evidence for, in my eyes. I do believe in a creator however. The universe did not spring forth from nothing. That is not what will said The only evidence of ANYTHING we experience comes from that experience. This does not mean it exists only in our heads ^The experiences can be real, physical, and connected to the external environment. These are evidences of reality So a human being can know what is real, not from looking inside their head, but in contextualising their connection to their environment eg you find an orange and eat it but the peel remains. 24 hours later, your poo turns a funny colour and little seeds appear in it A week later you can never prove to anyone else that you ate an orange but you hold absolute proofs to know that you did. In other words you can live alone on an island, and still know what is real and what is imaginary, by using simple evidences, contextualisation (eg how one experience is embedded in and connected to the rest of the environmental) reality checkers etc.; UNLESS you are actually mentally ill. You've just answered your own question. Because you have not had the experience of a god looking out for you, it is easier for you to deny the existence of such a god, looking out for anyone. Give that i have such a god who has been "looking out for me" for 40 plus years , it would be illogical of me to think that it was not also looking after many other human beings. Plus others tell me that they have such a n entity doing the same sorts of things for them . For me, with the evidences and experiences of my own life, where i would not even be alive without the physical protection and intervention of such a god, the evidences FOR such a personal god are absolute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 18, 2017 #277 Share Posted December 18, 2017 20 hours ago, ChaosRose said: Whatever you'd like to call it, there is a sort of "inner voice" I have. I just have a hard time listening to what it tells me. I usually ignore it, for some reason. And I shouldn't, because it's always right. I'm not sure why I don't listen to it. I don't know what stops me. Is it that I secretly want to sabotage myself, or is it my own ego barring me because I think I know better? I don't know, but it's something I'm trying to work on. Ive been listening to it since i was about 4 years old, when i first became aware of its presence Like you i don't always take notice of it, but at least it is there, warning me in advance of the consequences of different types of choices i might make. The more you listen to it, the louder and stronger it becomes and the more you discipline yourself to obey it, the easier it becomes, not just to hear it, but to follow its advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mConvinced Posted December 18, 2017 #278 Share Posted December 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: First there are physical evidences. It is just that you do not posses them; but others do. Can you provide an example of the type of physical evidence you are suggesting exists? 39 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: If such a god manifested to you and spoke with you, then you would accumulate your own physical evidences Err no, physical evidence is clearly a term that needs defining here: "What are the types of physical evidence? Physical evidence refers to any item that comes from a nonliving origin, while biological evidence always originates from a living being. There are various kinds of physical evidence from fingerprints, tire marks, footprints, fibers , paint, to building materials etc." Peoples claims are not physical evidences. 43 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: eg if you catch a fish and release it, while alone on a boat out at sea, you can never prove to another that you caught it, but you will have enough physical evidences for you to know the fish was real. Your example of fishing is a ridiculous attempt to cover your own fallacy. Even if I had thrown the fish back I can still prove that fish like it exist and that I went fishing with the correct equipment and knowledge, which is supporting evidence. I could test for fish DNA in my boat, on my hands/clothes or equipment and provide an extremely accurate description of the fish, where it was and how I caught it for others to follow. They can then replicate this and produce PHYSICAL evidence. While it isn't 100% proof I caught a fish it does make it extremely likely that I did. You can do none of this with 'God'. 49 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: My point was that there has NEITHER be a cessation of contact NOR a lessening of it It wasn't your point, you flip flopped between both as demonstrated in the quotes I made of your previous statements. Ok, lets now imagine this is the point you were making, you still do not have any real proof of either scenario. You do not know how many people were contacted in the past, or even if they were contacted and what did the contacting. You do not know what percentage of people claiming contact are telling the truth and you cannot know if this is greater in number than previously. 58 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: and today you still have peole in direct communication with gods We have people claiming it. None can show it demonstrably. 59 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Maybe you dont read enough I supplied a list in another post of historical figures who claim to have spoken to god you can read accounts going back as far a s written histories go This has no bearing on anything other than an appeal to authority maybe? Do you believe David Icke is the son of God because he claims it is so? 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: Even given this, however, it proves my point. God still speaks to humans. No it doesn't. All it proves is that people have always claimed that God speaks to humans. It says nothing as to the voracity of the claim nor to whether God has lessened, increased, stopped or otherwise his communication. I mean come on Mr Walker, your alien isn't even the real God and your cosmic consciousness nothing more than a race of beings. MY God is the one that created your God, the one that created the universe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mConvinced Posted December 18, 2017 #279 Share Posted December 18, 2017 30 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Ive been listening to it since i was about 4 years old, when i first became aware of its presence Like you i don't always take notice of it, but at least it is there, warning me in advance of the consequences of different types of choices i might make. The more you listen to it, the louder and stronger it becomes and the more you discipline yourself to obey it, the easier it becomes, not just to hear it, but to follow its advice. You've just described your subconscious mind. I really hope this isn't the alien you think has been talking to you...because everyone has this voice and it sure isn't an alien. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mConvinced Posted December 18, 2017 #280 Share Posted December 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: That is not what will said. Please let Will speak for himself. 41 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: You've just answered your own question. Because you have not had the experience of a god looking out for you, it is easier for you to deny the existence of such a god, looking out for anyone. How can a God be looking out for everyone if he isn't looking out for me? I don't deny the existence of anything that cannot be proven to exist. I will leave it in the realms of fantasy though until it is proven. 45 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Give that i have such a god who has been "looking out for me" for 40 plus years , it would be illogical of me to think that it was not also looking after many other human beings. No, it would be illogical to think that because an alien has taken interest in you that it is automatically interested in everyone else. It is also illogical to think that an alien who did not create itself, or the system within which it works, is the God that people have been describing all these years. It is not the God of Christianity that's for sure, that God created the universe apparently. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 18, 2017 #281 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr Walker said: No its not that it was never a matter of need or me shaping how i perceive a god to meet my needs It was just how this entity physically presented itself to me. I have to go with what i know for myself Of course everyone else will have different experiences and thus different perspectives on the nature of god. But to me it is a real, physical, powerful, entity who takes an interest in me shares its mind with me, teaches me protects me and empowers me in many ways I did not call you stupid. i said that if you (or anyone) is stupid enough to hit someone just because they warn them of the dangers of smoking then they deserve the consequences they get. Quite a few of your comments indicate a propensity to violence as a solution to a situation you find yourself in. You make quite a few threats. Nonetheless i was just pointing out that all behaviours have consequences, and only a stupid person ignores those consequences when making a choice. Don't you think, also, it is a bit pointless making any such threat, or statement, to an online correspondent whom you will never meet What purpose does it serve, except i guess, to make you feel better. which is fair enough. Walker You do need yoi3r alien whether it is real or not, it is what makes you feel unique and special by talking about it. Why is it that Jesus didn't have a problem walking amoung men and speaking and teaching and your alien hides in the shadows? You are quite limited in your perception of what I say to you. You say that by us talking about our lives gives you an understanding of how we think. When I said dangerous you interpret it as violence even when I said that I don't have to hit someone for them to find themselves in a dangerous position. Yes I did grow up on a violent environment and have openly said this in past discissions. I have also said many other things that you ignore. We are social animals that depend on group interactions, do you know what happens when one member of a group is pushed out? They become susceptible to preditors, years ago I worked with a fellow like you a know it all and with defensively abrasive attitude. We were cutting scrap for the furnaces at a steel plant and he was not willing to engage as a productive co-worker. There was a pile of coil ends that the euclid had dumped and this fellow decided he was going to cut his way into the pile. I called him to stop and pointed out that he should wait until the mag operator spread it out as if he kept cutting his way into the pile the way that he was that it would collapse and that there was potential risk for serious injury. He got mad and started flapping his gums so I just turned and walked away several minutes later the pile collapsed and he was fortunate to get away with minor injuries. I had gone and stood at the shut of valves for the oxygen and map gas so I could turn them off and did so when he dropped his torch. He was willing to put all of us at risk because of his stuborn attitudue because we didn't use tanks all the torches were run off of a line system and the potenial for fire or explosion is there. Afterwards none of us on any crew would work or communicate with him and after a few weeks he quit because he had isloated himself with his actions and words. You have me on ignore but still repond because you need me you cannot exist without opposition to pretend that you are superior in some way. To me you remind me of one of those mouthy little guys that hangs around with a bigger guy and push because your big buddy will end up fighting on your behalf, well until one day he walks away and lets you back up your mouth alone. jmccr8 Edited December 18, 2017 by jmccr8 Little buttons fat fingers 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 18, 2017 #282 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: Again you are simply choosing to disbelieve those people You come up with all sorts of reasons why they are wrong but no examination of why the y might be right I wonder how many, if any, of the thousands of accounts you have ever personally read, let alone examined tested or analysed. Tha t sounds a LOT like confirmation bias on your part. No my argument is this. I KNOW god is in contact and communication with humans because he has been, with me, for over 40 years This makes me more open minded to the claims of others but i certainly dont just believe them or accept them as proof. My point is that each of those individuals may hold for themselves indisputable evidences of gods contact with them such as a life saving event a knowledge or wisdom imparted a physics gift of empowerment given to them etc. One may NEVER be able to have or hold this evidence in their hands but the individuals who had the experiences may have To ascertain the validity of those claims one must do a very close and detailed analysis of them, something like was done by the govt with claims of alien contact I t is true thatit would be hard to prove that god contacted other people.(although there are cases with physical evidences and witnesses) However i know "he" is in contact with me and so, to me, it is at least possible and even likely, that this is common among humans My question back a t you is why you believe so strongly that al those peole are wrong; either mistaken, deluded or lieing That is a very strong position of bias and makes an open minded approach to the question almost impossible Thea re of course hundreds of example s of miracle cures in the medical records but someone like you would simply deny them . I ahve a friend who was dying of terminal cancer One day god spoke to him and told hi tha t he 9god) had removed the cancer and my friend would live a long life My friend went first to his gp and then to the cancer specialists who had bee treating him What had been a very advanced quick growing and fatal tumour was simply gone, with no sign it had ever existed Some of the professionals thought it was simply a statistical anomaly and he was incredibly lucky but others accepted it as miracle The point is of course that god informed my friend in advance of what he was doing and that the cancer was gone so HE knew that it was a direct physical miracle This is actually common and is often recorded in medical histories. Ps tens of thousands of medical and scientific studies show tha t faith and belief cause wounds and trauma injuries to heal faster and more effectively. Faith also improves outcomes from cancer, both in increased remission and i survival rates. Faith and belief reduces cardio vascular diseases and mortality fromm these, increases life expectancy, reduces the perception of pain quite significantly and improves both physiological and psychological health in nursing home residents What is a physics gift of empowerment? jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 18, 2017 #283 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: That is not what will said The only evidence of ANYTHING we experience comes from that experience. This does not mean it exists only in our heads ^The experiences can be real, physical, and connected to the external environment. These are evidences of reality So a human being can know what is real, not from looking inside their head, but in contextualising their connection to their environment eg you find an orange and eat it but the peel remains. 24 hours later, your poo turns a funny colour and little seeds appear in it A week later you can never prove to anyone else that you ate an orange but you hold absolute proofs to know that you did. In other words you can live alone on an island, and still know what is real and what is imaginary, by using simple evidences, contextualisation (eg how one experience is embedded in and connected to the rest of the environmental) reality checkers etc.; UNLESS you are actually mentally ill. You've just answered your own question. Because you have not had the experience of a god looking out for you, it is easier for you to deny the existence of such a god, looking out for anyone. Give that i have such a god who has been "looking out for me" for 40 plus years , it would be illogical of me to think that it was not also looking after many other human beings. Plus others tell me that they have such a n entity doing the same sorts of things for them . For me, with the evidences and experiences of my own life, where i would not even be alive without the physical protection and intervention of such a god, the evidences FOR such a personal god are absolute. No one cares if you ate an orange unless it was talking to you before you ate it and after eating cured you of smoking and gave you the gift of physics empowerment, maybe throw a bright light in there for good measure. jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted December 18, 2017 Author #284 Share Posted December 18, 2017 So what I am thinking about is a New, New Testament. Instead of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, we could have, the Father, the Sons, and the Holy Spirit. Thousands, maybe millions, perhaps billions of folk walking with Spirit. Being THAT light unto the darkness. New gospels written for a new age. The age of Aquarius? The age of the Holy Spirit. The Flowing Waters. Written in an everyday language by everyday folk for an everyday gnosis. A new tradition born of a new understanding and new relationship with God via Spirit. Just you and God and Spirit. No dogma, no hierarchy, very little theology, but a whole heap of faith and love expressed in the moment. A trickle becomes a stream, becoming a river, a rapid, a waterfall, before meandering majestically towards the ocean. If any of you Stars out there have any light to bear via a constructive idea on how to take this forward, please feel free to share. Blessing to one an ALL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 18, 2017 #285 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: So what I am thinking about is a New, New Testament. Instead of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, we could have, the Father, the Sons, and the Holy Spirit. Thousands, maybe millions, perhaps billions of folk walking with Spirit. Being THAT light unto the darkness. New gospels written for a new age. The age of Aquarius? The age of the Holy Spirit. The Flowing Waters. Written in an everyday language by everyday folk for an everyday gnosis. A new tradition born of a new understanding and new relationship with God via Spirit. Just you and God and Spirit. No dogma, no hierarchy, very little theology, but a whole heap of faith and love expressed in the moment. A trickle becomes a stream, becoming a river, a rapid, a waterfall, before meandering majestically towards the ocean. If any of you Stars out there have any light to bear via a constructive idea on how to take this forward, please feel free to share. Blessing to one an ALL. The writing of this gospel you're referring to has been here since 1955. http://bigbluebook.org/part/4/ It is the restated gospel according to Jesus as he taught it himself when he was here. The good news that he proclaimed is that God is our Father and we are his sons and daughters. Rejoice. We have a direct relationship with him because he dwells within each of us, there to guide us individually and personally, as a Father does his children. All that is needed is faith in the truth of this fact to survive and receive eternal life. Nothing more is needed other than faith. Faith in the one on one relationship with God, not belief in doctrine or religious dogma. The priests didn't like what Jesus taught, so they managed to put in place the fake news that he died for our sins and that only by following the dogma of the priest's making, can you be saved. Soon the real gospel of the kingdom will overtake everything else and what will triumph will be God's love, not the blood of his Son. Edited December 18, 2017 by Will Due 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted December 18, 2017 Author #286 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Will Due said: The writing of this gospel you're referring to has been here since 1955. http://bigbluebook.org/part/4/ It is the restated gospel according to Jesus as he taught it himself when he was here. The good news that he proclaimed is that God is our Father and we are his sons and daughters. Rejoice. We have a direct relationship with him because he dwells within each of us, there to guide us individually and personally, as a Father does with his children. All that is needed is faith in the truth of this fact to survive and receive eternal life. Nothing more is needed other than faith. Faith in the one on one relationship with God, not belief in doctrine or religious dogma. The priests didn't like what Jesus taught, so they managed to put in place the fake news that he died for our sins and that only by following the dogma of the priest's making, can you be saved. Soon the real gospel of the kingdom will overtake everything else and what will triumph will be God's love, not the blood of his Son. Thanks Will, I will check that out.. But still, I would like to see each new generation write its own gospel. Like how much has changed since 1955? The next generation could build upon all the latest wisdom and gnosis of the previous generation. A living tradition that moulds itself to that particular moment in time and space. No disrespect Will, but there are some serious issues about today, war and poverty and a general ignorance abound. (not you personally). But still - when the Spirit arrives en masse, all the greedy nonsense in the world will be washed away once and for all. With computers and tablets and smart phones everywhere today, then maybe its more likely a YouTube video rather than a book that will change things! Who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 18, 2017 #287 Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Thanks Will, I will check that out.. But still, I would like to see each new generation write its own gospel. Like how much has changed since 1955? The next generation could build upon all the latest wisdom and gnosis of the previous generation. A living tradition that moulds itself to that particular moment in time and space. No disrespect Will, but there are some serious issues about today, war and poverty and a general ignorance abound. (not you personally). But still - when the Spirit arrives en masse, all the greedy nonsense in the world will be washed away once and for all. With computers and tablets and smart phones everywhere today, then maybe its more likely a YouTube video rather than a book that will change things! Who knows? CH, I see it happening all around us as we speak. The good news of God's love and that we're all his children is beginning to push out hate, war and you name it, like never before. This will continue to grow. It cannot be stopped now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted December 18, 2017 Author #288 Share Posted December 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, Will Due said: CH, I see it happening all around us as we speak. The good news of God's love and that we're all his children is beginning to push out hate, war and you name it, like never before. This will continue to grow. It cannot be stopped now. I just had a quick look at your link and I'm assuming it is the real story of Christ, told in the spirit of Christ without all the later politicking and corrupting influences? But I am talking about something different. A whole Body of Christs. Millions perhaps billions of folk walking in a complete wholeness with Spirit. Christ Consciousness, Buddha Nature - give it a name right! The point is, "the Father, the Sons, and the Holy Spirit." To have this outflow of Spirit, to become Christ like, could become humanities raison d'être. Each generation teaching, exemplifying to their best standard what Life and Love and Spirit truly are. And btw, I see that in your link they have a chapter comparing other religions, which is a nice touch.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted December 18, 2017 #289 Share Posted December 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said: I just had a quick look at your link and I'm assuming it is the real story of Christ, told in the spirit of Christ without all the later politicking and corrupting influences? But I am talking about something different. A whole Body of Christs. Millions perhaps billions of folk walking in a complete wholeness with Spirit. Christ Consciousness, Buddha Nature - give it a name right! The point is, "the Father, the Sons, and the Holy Spirit." To have this outflow of Spirit, to become Christ like, could become humanities raison d'être. Each generation teaching, exemplifying to their best standard what Life and Love and Spirit truly are. And btw, I see that in your link they have a chapter comparing other religions, which is a nice touch.. You are right about it. The consciousness of it will grow anew in each generation, in each individual too, until it finally supplants everything unnecessary. This consciousness we're talking about is God-consciousness, (superconsciousness) and it is real. It will take a supreme devotion to the doing of God's will, which is easy, always in service to others, the same way Jesus served and loved us all. When more and more of us (and more will) take on this daily responsibility (cross) to follow him, follow him in the manner (way) that he lived his life, then slowly we'll grow up to become more and more like him, like God, because we are all already, the sons of God. Edited December 18, 2017 by Will Due 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area201 Posted December 19, 2017 #290 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) That's quite a story Mr. Walker. Personally I've had several experiences that left me with no doubt there is a universal divine presence. I have not contact with ETs from other planets, only beings that were once living in physical bodies on Earth and no longer (aka saints, masters, etc) I have no knowledge or experiences dealing with any sort of "galactic federation" and it's honestly not something I'm concerned with, local and global government are most relevant. So I Started a thread related to this subject here. He's saying he is talking to a specific ET telepathically. I think "God" is the underlying Singularity of all of us - and in the grand scheme there is really just God. But what do you think of the Darryl Anka guy talking with a "Bashar"? Is your contact similar? On C2C this guy claims to be channeling a Tall White (Grey/human hybrid?) "Bashar" from another planet. If you listen to this guy talk, he sounds like a very intelligent and coherent man. The message is quite fascinating (real or not). Apparently these hybrids of humans and greys, are a result when the tall greys placed over emphasis on technology and not developing themselves within. Now they are at the end of their evolutionary bell curve and need to do this genetic engineering hybrid programs to continue any aspect of their race. He claims to commune telepathically to this particular ET which is sending his knowledge thru this man from another planet. 23 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Well it would be selfish to keep it to myself jmccr8 only gave you part of the story. When i was a bout 12 or 13 i connected to the cosmic consciousness which is a consciousness spanning the galaxy and linking most of the self aware consciousnesses which live in this galaxy. Later, this entity manifested in physical forms and we have remained connected for about 45 years. It has saved the life of myself and my wife a number of times, and educates mentors and empowers me . This is a very advanced alien entity and most humans who know of it think of it in religious terms, even as god. it is not actully god of course and doesn't think of itself as such, It is more like the head of government of a galactic confederacy, which rules and keeps the peace in our galaxy. (Lol or may be it is just a low level govt functionary allocated to be my case manager) Now whey on earth would i ask for tissue samples fr it its never asked me for any . Basically it is so advanced that it can manipulate matter and energy a t will thus altering its own composition and that of other matter, into any shape or form it desires. It can also communicate and move instantaneously over galactic distances by use of a combination of advance technology and will or thought. it s job is to (without interference or overt influence) help humanity survive our adolescent period and to develop the wisdoms necessary to survive. eg to remove the biologically driven emotional imperatives we evolved with, like anger or hate, and learn to think and behave rationally and logically It also maintains a communication and transportation network which allows human beings to use it to travel across the galaxy and to connect to other self ware alien beings through an extension or projection of our conscious self awareness . Edited December 19, 2017 by Area201 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted December 19, 2017 Author #291 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 17 December 2017 at 6:20 PM, ChaosRose said: Whatever you'd like to call it, there is a sort of "inner voice" I have. I just have a hard time listening to what it tells me. I usually ignore it, for some reason. And I shouldn't, because it's always right. I'm not sure why I don't listen to it. I don't know what stops me. Is it that I secretly want to sabotage myself, or is it my own ego barring me because I think I know better? I don't know, but it's something I'm trying to work on. My take for what its worth is this. We ignore this inner voice because we are afraid. We are afraid because it seems too good to be true. "ask and it shall be given, seek and you will find; knock and it shall be opened unto you" THAT is one heck of a promise that couldn't be true - could it? Are we all afraid to ask, seek and knock? Could the secret of Life be simple? Ask - and find out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted December 19, 2017 Author #292 Share Posted December 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Will Due said: You are right about it. The consciousness of it will grow anew in each generation, in each individual too, until it finally supplants everything unnecessary. This consciousness we're talking about is God-consciousness, (superconsciousness) and it is real. It will take a supreme devotion to the doing of God's will, which is easy, always in service to others, the same way Jesus served and loved us all. When more and more of us (and more will) take on this daily responsibility (cross) to follow him, follow him in the manner (way) that he lived his life, then slowly we'll grow up to become more and more like him, like God, because we are all already, the sons of God. I think you are right. In the future humanity will look back at the last 1 or two hundred years as a weird kind of glitch, a fall into materialistic atheism that coincided with certain banking practices and consumerism in general. But the truth cannot be long hidden, God cannot be denied forever. The power of Spirit is here and growing each day. Serving others as you say is easy, and rewarding, and enjoyable, and I'm glad you pointed that out for us. Sanctified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 19, 2017 #293 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Area201 said: That's quite a story Mr. Walker. Personally I've had several experiences that left me with no doubt there is a universal divine presence. I have not contact with ETs from other planets, only beings that were once living in physical bodies on Earth and no longer (aka saints, masters, etc) I have no knowledge or experiences dealing with any sort of "galactic federation" and it's honestly not something I'm concerned with, local and global government are most relevant. So I Started a thread related to this subject here. He's saying he is talking to a specific ET telepathically. I think "God" is the underlying Singularity of all of us - and in the grand scheme there is really just God. But what do you think of the Darryl Anka guy talking with a "Bashar"? Is your contact similar? On C2C this guy claims to be channeling a Tall White (Grey/human hybrid?) "Bashar" from another planet. If you listen to this guy talk, he sounds like a very intelligent and coherent man. The message is quite fascinating (real or not). Apparently these hybrids of humans and greys, are a result when the tall greys placed over emphasis on technology and not developing themselves within. Now they are at the end of their evolutionary bell curve and need to do this genetic engineering hybrid programs to continue any aspect of their race. He claims to commune telepathically to this particular ET which is sending his knowledge thru this man from another planet. I will try to have a listen to it sometime but because i have a dozen tabs open i turn the sound off while on the computer and to listen to one thing i have to turn the sound off on all other tabs or close them down . I would say one thing . The title is very biased and closed minded , I mean crazy and old are adjectives designed to belittle and to reduce the credibility of a person before one even listens to what the y have to say . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 19, 2017 #294 Share Posted December 19, 2017 16 hours ago, I'mConvinced said: Please let Will speak for himself. How can a God be looking out for everyone if he isn't looking out for me? I don't deny the existence of anything that cannot be proven to exist. I will leave it in the realms of fantasy though until it is proven. No, it would be illogical to think that because an alien has taken interest in you that it is automatically interested in everyone else. It is also illogical to think that an alien who did not create itself, or the system within which it works, is the God that people have been describing all these years. It is not the God of Christianity that's for sure, that God created the universe apparently. Don't misquote people if you don't want to be picked up on it I said this it is easier for you to deny the existence of such a god, looking out for anyone. Anyone is not everyone and thus god may not be looking out for you. My point was that I am more open to people who claim contact with god because i have experienced it and know it occurs Another point here is tha t god may be looking out for you and yet you are not aware of it, God was protecting me, teaching me,and looking out for me for 20 years or so, while i was an atheist and laughed at the idea of god. Looking back of course i could see how and where he had been protecting and empowering me as a child and teenager and had saved my life of a coupe of occasions. You don't understand logic very well. if i breathe air because it is all around me, but drown in water, then it is likely that other humans do the same. If encounter a platypus it is likely that others can also do in the right circustances, Ie where one human encounters something with independent reality, then it is probable that others will also encounter it. Unless i was either filled with hubris, or thought i was some sort of special person, OR was mentally ill, it is logical that any real powerful entity who communicates with me also communicates with others for the same purposes. Plus of course i have read hundreds of the thousands of accounts of others, who have had the same sort of experience Some Christians BELIEVE their god created the universe They are a decreasing minority of Christians and anyway god is not exclusive to Christianity, and interacted with,humans before Christianity or even judaism existed . This (An always existing powerful entity creating the universe is physically impossible and begs the question where ad how did this entity originate) but it is not my place to deny their beliefs A real god must be an evolved living entity, who is thus a product of the universe and evolved its own self awareness and abilities by interaction with its environment, just as we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 19, 2017 #295 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Walker You do need yoi3r alien whether it is real or not, it is what makes you feel unique and special by talking about it. Why is it that Jesus didn't have a problem walking amoung men and speaking and teaching and your alien hides in the shadows? You are quite limited in your perception of what I say to you. You say that by us talking about our lives gives you an understanding of how we think. When I said dangerous you interpret it as violence even when I said that I don't have to hit someone for them to find themselves in a dangerous position. Yes I did grow up on a violent environment and have openly said this in past discissions. I have also said many other things that you ignore. We are social animals that depend on group interactions, do you know what happens when one member of a group is pushed out? They become susceptible to preditors, years ago I worked with a fellow like you a know it all and with defensively abrasive attitude. We were cutting scrap for the furnaces at a steel plant and he was not willing to engage as a productive co-worker. There was a pile of coil ends that the euclid had dumped and this fellow decided he was going to cut his way into the pile. I called him to stop and pointed out that he should wait until the mag operator spread it out as if he kept cutting his way into the pile the way that he was that it would collapse and that there was potential risk for serious injury. He got mad and started flapping his gums so I just turned and walked away several minutes later the pile collapsed and he was fortunate to get away with minor injuries. I had gone and stood at the shut of valves for the oxygen and map gas so I could turn them off and did so when he dropped his torch. He was willing to put all of us at risk because of his stuborn attitudue because we didn't use tanks all the torches were run off of a line system and the potenial for fire or explosion is there. Afterwards none of us on any crew would work or communicate with him and after a few weeks he quit because he had isloated himself with his actions and words. You have me on ignore but still repond because you need me you cannot exist without opposition to pretend that you are superior in some way. To me you remind me of one of those mouthy little guys that hangs around with a bigger guy and push because your big buddy will end up fighting on your behalf, well until one day he walks away and lets you back up your mouth alone. jmccr8 Lol i lived with it for 35 years without ever talking about it Only the anonymity of the internet allows me to have these conversations I dont need to be able to feel special or to make myself special. I AM special Every human being is special and every human being CAN have this sort of connection and empowerment I don't get your point about Christ. In christian belief he was a man filled withe living spirit of god, which empowered him and enabled him to perform miracles however you or I can also connect to that powerful spirit of god, because it has been gifted to all of us, and do many of the things Christ did. It is how Christ lived his life which is important All humans should try to live a life as he lived his . you are correct. i don't understand your words. I saw them, as i often do, as a thereat and coming from someone who has a need to prove their dominance and physicality I am not sure i can interpret them any other way I deliberately did not repsond to them in any way which would have upped the ante If i was the person you see me as then clearly i could not have worked in a very cooperative and team environment like teaching which, while not physical, demands group effort and cooperation. My point was like yours I would have both spoken to that man and taken action to prevent him doing harm Yet when i said this was my motivation you said it would be dangerous to try and educate you in safe behaviours Your perceptions of me are your problem Ive explained to you how i use the ignore function and when i override it . Edited December 19, 2017 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted December 19, 2017 #296 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 12/15/2017 at 8:15 AM, Crazy Horse said: Hello All My Spiritual Quest for this moment in time has been whittled down to one simple question. How to have a real time, strong and stable, instantaneous, conscious communion with God? A direct and uncorrupted personal line to the Great Universal Mind of THAT. Whenever a question arose, one might offer-up a simple prayer and receive an answer immediately. No synchronistic signs or coincidences, but a clear audio voice in ones own mind. A voice that is Understanding, Compassionate and Wise My answer to this is not to pray at all. When we pray, our own vanity is revealed in what we pray for. I feel completely connected to the Universe by knowing that I too am part of that Universe. One Energy. For me anyway when I stop swimming against the Universal Tide, that is precisely when I become part of the Universal Flow. And when I am in the Universal Flow...I know that I need say nothing...or want for anything...for me, the strong, stable, instantaneous, conscious communion with God occurs when I accept the Universal Flow...and flow with it. It's in the same vein as when Jesus was considering the Lilies of the Field, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mConvinced Posted December 19, 2017 #297 Share Posted December 19, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: You don't understand logic very well. Says the man who can't address his own fallacies or admit his mistakes. I did indeed misread the everyone and anyone but it was the smallest of the points I was making and not really relevant. It's funny that you focus on that though, it shows you are losing the argument. 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: it is logical that any real powerful entity who communicates with me also communicates with others for the same purposes. It isn't logical, it's an assumption based on what you perceive to be logical. 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: if i breathe air because it is all around me, but drown in water, then it is likely that other humans do the same. This is a terrible analogy once again, just like the fishing one before. We know all humans can drown in water because it is provable using physical, measurable evidence and examples. We know all people can drown, without testing this on each individual, as we all share the same biology and water has the same physical characteristics. We (the species) do not know that God speaks to anyone as we have no physical evidence, there is nothing we can test and we have nothing but the claims of others to go on. These claims do not even tally with each other in the vast majority of cases. 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Some Christians BELIEVE their god created the universe They are a decreasing minority of Christians Where is your evidence for this claim? Most Christians I know will tell you that God surely did create the universe and therefore your God is not their God. Look at the dictionary definition of God: God ɡɒd/ noun 1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. 2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity. Edited December 19, 2017 by I'mConvinced 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mConvinced Posted December 19, 2017 #298 Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: If encounter a platypus it is likely that others can also do in the right circustances Of course they can, it actually exists. 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Ie where one human encounters something with independent reality, then it is probable that others will also encounter it. Not unless that thing is proven to exist outside of your own mind. It is not proven, you can offer no proof and therefore it's illogical to think others will encounter it with any degree of certainty. 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Unless i was either filled with hubris, or thought i was some sort of special person, OR was mentally ill We cannot rule these things out based solely on your posting. 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: This (An always existing powerful entity creating the universe is physically impossible and begs the question where ad how did this entity originate) but it is not my place to deny their beliefs A real god must be an evolved living entity, who is thus a product of the universe and evolved its own self awareness and abilities by interaction with its environment, just as we did. It is not 'physically impossible' for a being to have created the universe and that you consider it to be so shows me the limits of your thinking. A 'real God' does not have to be an evolved living entity and certainly isn't the product of it's own creation. If you want to take the view that the universe sprang forth from nothing at all then be my guest, this is actually harder to explain and far less logical than that it came from something. I'm actually staggered by your statement as it is an incredibly narrow minded view in my opinion - of course it begs the question of where and how this entity originated but I can conceive of an almost unlimited number of ways in which this could be the case. You, apparently, can conceive of none... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted December 19, 2017 #299 Share Posted December 19, 2017 46 minutes ago, joc said: My answer to this is not to pray at all. When we pray, our own vanity is revealed in what we pray for. I feel completely connected to the Universe by knowing that I too am part of that Universe. One Energy. For me anyway when I stop swimming against the Universal Tide, that is precisely when I become part of the Universal Flow. And when I am in the Universal Flow...I know that I need say nothing...or want for anything...for me, the strong, stable, instantaneous, conscious communion with God occurs when I accept the Universal Flow...and flow with it. It's in the same vein as when Jesus was considering the Lilies of the Field, WOW! Very American Indian of you.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 19, 2017 #300 Share Posted December 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Lol i lived with it for 35 years without ever talking about it Only the anonymity of the internet allows me to have these conversations I dont need to be able to feel special or to make myself special. I AM special Every human being is special and every human being CAN have this sort of connection and empowerment I don't get your point about Christ. In christian belief he was a man filled withe living spirit of god, which empowered him and enabled him to perform miracles however you or I can also connect to that powerful spirit of god, because it has been gifted to all of us, and do many of the things Christ did. It is how Christ lived his life which is important All humans should try to live a life as he lived his . you are correct. i don't understand your words. I saw them, as i often do, as a thereat and coming from someone who has a need to prove their dominance and physicality I am not sure i can interpret them any other way I deliberately did not repsond to them in any way which would have upped the ante If i was the person you see me as then clearly i could not have worked in a very cooperative and team environment like teaching which, while not physical, demands group effort and cooperation. My point was like yours I would have both spoken to that man and taken action to prevent him doing harm Yet when i said this was my motivation you said it would be dangerous to try and educate you in safe behaviours Your perceptions of me are your problem Ive explained to you how i use the ignore function and when i override it . Walker Here is where you promote yourself to us and this is they only part of your life we can see. Words the rest of your life in the physical world is an unknown, this is something that you have been told a multitude of times. It is your position that you always tell the truth but have admitted that you will lie to protect yourself. When you tell stories about your life or your alien how would I or others know where truth begins and lies end? We don't and my comment to you about having the right to tell someone your perception of what is dangerous or wrong is once is acceptable but if you harp or push It is not. To me it seems that you are passive agressive because of how you write responses and you are very competetive, you don't like being confronted on a position and talk in a belittling tone. Yes I get in your face and push at you when yoi avoid responding to direct questions because you avoid and change the subject to distract from answering. To me that shows a weakness in your argument and make the credibility of your statemants questionable. The example of the co-worker was not a one time incident with just me and itwas his refusal to work with others as a team that isloatated him and I see a similar pattern here with you. The story of Jesus is relevent with comparison to your alien neither claim to be god but Jesus knowing that he would be killed walked amoung his fellow men and spoke publicly to masses of people. This would not seem to be a strength that your alien has as you are the only one that it speaks with, why is that, is he scared that we will kill it if it doesn't give us chocolate cake recipes so we can take over the universe? You have argued that childern under the age of 5 are not self aware and yet special little Walker at age 3 was talking to the cosmic consciousness but I should believe you because you always tell the truth. The truth is that you don't talk about any of this in your physical life and quite likely a Judas the denier in face to face conversations with the people you know in your life because you know that you would be rejected and don't want to be pushed out of the community. Doesn't say much for you conviction of faith does it? Why would I think you are credible, I am not making things up thesr are yoir words that you have pushed here? Like I jave said numerous times you do make some good points but those points have nothing to do with the abstracts that you present here like life stories or alien gods or piggybacking on the cosmic consciousness. Lucid dreams are dreams creations of the imaginative mind and not based in reality, they may have a use as a learning tool to some degree but none the lest the are synthetic experiences. jmccr8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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