If Dinosaurs Wouldn't Have Become Exstinct

[Cadetak]

If Dinos didnt die would they have evolved far enough to be like humans? If Dinosaurs didnt die would they be more dominent then humans? Would Humans be able to evolve in this environment?

No this is not a Reptillian thread

[evil_kenshin]

who knows, some say that dinosaurs envolved into birds, but i dont really think they would of become like us. They certainly would be more dominant than us and we certainly wouldn't of able to become like we are today if they were around

Edited September 30, 2005 by evil_kenshin

[GreyWeather]

dino's were mainly instinctive creatures, until the velociraptor came along and were able to communicate to each other and form plans to hunt.

so maybe if they survived, they could have been intelligent such as us. (64 million years could do wonders for them, intelligence wise)

so who knows,

[dragonlady_mothman]

The Animal X episode dealing with Lizard Man brought this up. The velociprator-like (Velociraptors were up there as far as dinosaurs went, but not the smartest dinosaur, or even the smallest raptor) dinosaurs, they said, if they coninued along their evolutionary path would end up something like descriptions of Lizard Man.

The problem, though, that some had was how Victorian that was, that humans are perfect and all animals smart enough to at least drive cars would be humanoid. Like on the show the History Channel had about the ones that looked for early ancestors of humans. When it started, they all asumed the uniting element was the big brain. Big brain = human.

Very egotistical if you ask me.

I do, however, think that if they had developed the intelegence to drive cars and so forth, they would need a way to manipulate their environment. Cats cannot open cans of tuna, let alone put the tuna in the can in the first place.

[GreyWeather]

^ 64 million years would wonders to their evolution. thats not saying they'd become humonoid and make the same technology as us though. we only became 'humanoid' due to the fact that our envirnment changed and we needed to change to suit our life style.

so dino's may not have become humanoid, though thats not saying they wouldn't of.

[Paulwhale]

who knows, some say that dinosaurs envolved into birds, but i dont really think they would of become like us. They certainly would be more dominant than us and we certainly wouldn't of able to become like we are today if they were around

though in water mammals would be still more dominant, we evolved o earth and didn't bother water animals for many thousands of years, and mamals took upper hand in ocean, but there would be no way for dinos "not to be extinct" because most of them were cold-blooded (please don't argue, I will outargue you for sure, trust me, there is NO proof on warm-blooded big dinosaurs), so, when climate started switching from cold to warm and so on, when Ice Age cycle started, they would die inevitably, you may say: what if Ice Age cycle wouldn't start, we;ll, then everything on the planet, except probably water creatures would die.

[Fluffybunny]

Does anyone know when the first alligators showed up? I remeber hearing that they were one of the few "dinosaurs" left(at least from that time), although I could be mistaken.

I think that in regards to evolution, animals don't necessarily get smarter. The animals that live the longest and are able to adapt ot new problems are the ones that are able to reproduce more often; giving their traits to the next generation.

I am no specialist by any means, but I would speculate that evolutionary development has many paths, human like intelligence being just one of those paths.

BTW, I would love it if my cat was smart enough to open a can of tuna by himself. It would save me the trouble.

[GreyWeather]

I think that in regards to evolution, animals don't necessarily get smarter. The animals that live the longest and are able to adapt ot new problems are the ones that are able to reproduce more often; giving their traits to the next generation.

yeah, i totally agree. I mean, we were not intelligent a few milenia ago. we were just curious critters (and we still are) and we evolved to stand on our hind legs so our front legs could act like arms, thus we could do more with our curiousity and figure stuff out.

Edit did I just say 'thus'

Edited October 1, 2005 by Leliel

[Rhomphaia]

I forget the name of the family of animals, but crocodiles, aligators, camans and the like belong to a family of reptiles MUCH older than the dinosaurs. In fact, if I remember correctly, proto-saurians (forgive me if I have the term wrong) are believed by some to have come from crocodilians.

Anyway, as far as what dinos may have developed into, I saw an interesting article that took some of the most intelligent dinos, the raptor family, looked at all of their features and presumed physiology, and began advancing it forward, developing them towards higher intellect. The end result seemed an awful lot like greys to me.

However, I do think the bird thing is much more likely.

[JoeBean24]

The Animal X episode dealing with Lizard Man brought this up. The velociprator-like (Velociraptors were up there as far as dinosaurs went, but not the smartest dinosaur, or even the smallest raptor) dinosaurs, they said, if they coninued along their evolutionary path would end up something like descriptions of Lizard Man.

The problem, though, that some had was how Victorian that was, that humans are perfect and all animals smart enough to at least drive cars would be humanoid. Like on the show the History Channel had about the ones that looked for early ancestors of humans. When it started, they all asumed the uniting element was the big brain. Big brain = human.

Very egotistical if you ask me.

I do, however, think that if they had developed the intelegence to drive cars and so forth, they would need a way to manipulate their environment. Cats cannot open cans of tuna, let alone put the tuna in the can in the first place.

i saw the special that showed what dinos would look like in a human form it was quite interesting to see and makes you wonder what would have happened.

[dragonlady_mothman]

It might be a Victorian way of thinking, but you never know. Sixteen monkeys sitting at sixteen typewriters will, given enough time, hit the right number of keys in the right order to copy an entire work of Shakespear without any mistakes.

[frogfish]

there was a theory by a scientist, that if dinos didnt die out, they would eveolved into humanoid figures, and be much more advanced

[draconic chronicler]

If the dinosaurs didn't die out, we would not be here to debate the point. Many people don't realize it, but mammals are as old as dinosaurs, though for millions and millions of years they could achieve nothing greater than being bite sized rodent dino fodder. So it is highly probable that even today, mammals would not have evolved any better in the last 65 million years than they did in the previous 200 or so million years, if they had to cower in the shadows of a world ruled by dinosaurs.

This is the problem with the idea that "dragons" were a kind of carnivorous dinosaur that survived the great extinction. If that were the case, again, mammals would have remained small rodents as these "dragons" would have dispatched any mammal that grew big enough to look worth eating. Dragons could be explained however in the same kind of God enhancing scenario that created mankind from primates. Many religions have "intelligent" dinosaur/dragon-like creatures that are servants to a supreme being/God including Judaism and Christianity. These kind of intelligent dinsaurs could therefore be controlled, and allow mammal evolution to flourish, and even assist a "God entity" in culling certain human failures, like the sudden disappearance of the Neandertals and somewhat mysterious appearance of Cro-Magnon/modern man.

Could dinosaurs have evolved into highly intelligent humanoid "lizardmen"? This is perhaps where a creator entity might come in. Perhaps no primate either could have evolved into a "human" without some slight "product improvement" from what we refer to as "God".

[Piney]

there was a theory by a scientist, that if dinos didnt die out, they would eveolved into humanoid figures, and be much more advanced

I am with the current theory that dinosaurs evolved into birds. I have been checking out all those new Chinese findings and it is fasinating. Intelligence does not nessarily lead to upright and two legs. The octopus has proven to unscrew caps from jars on their own, which is something a chimp cannot do unless shown.

Lapi'che

[Wingman]

What would dino's have evolved into? different kinds of dinos....

The evolution of dinosaurs is pretty consistant for 175 million years, I'm sure that with an extra 65 million years we'd see the same stuff... maybe they'd be a bit more complex, but it's doubtful that they'd be much more intelligent.

[EnelyaCalaelen]

Duh!

Haven't you watched

Star Trek: Voyager - Distant Origin

[Guardsman Bass]

Presumably, they would simply evolve into other dinosaurs. There's a chance a sentient race of dinosaurs might have arisen, but it would probably be utterly unlike any human society.

[Lord Umbarger]

Didn't humans act solely on instinct at some point in our evolution? We turned out O.K., sorta. I don't see any reason that V.R.'s couldn't do the same thing given 65 million years. Who know, we might even evolve into a species that can prevent spam one day! O.K., maybe that's asking a bit much but, the concept is plausible.

Earlier, some one said that cats can't get tuna out of a can much less put it in a can. Very true, but, neither could we 10,000 years ago. Also, cats didn't design cans. We did. Feline convenience was probably not a consideration. If cats were able to design storage containers, would they make them to suit our needs?

I'm just so glad that someone gave me the opertunity to talk about cats! LMAO!

[Atlantis Rises]

If Dinos didnt die would they have evolved far enough to be like humans? If Dinosaurs didnt die would they be more dominent then humans? Would Humans be able to evolve in this environment?

No this is not a Reptillian thread

Theories have been brought up and a representation of a Lizard Man is in the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Yes, instead of humans as we know them, if dinos survived the temperture rise and falls, they would walk upright like us. Well, almost like us, they may have a tiny hunch. But their speech would most certainly differ. Human speech as we know it would not exist, but rather a series of almost "Klingon" grunts, growls, sqeals, grugles, burbles and maybe clicks would dominate speech.

Edited November 3, 2005 by Atlantis Rises

[frogfish]

more advanced dinos

[Atlantis Rises]

more advanced dinos

Now there's a logical and scientific answer.

[JesseTheMutt]

They say Dino's were becoming Warm Blooded and going up into the mountains to eat us before they became exstinct.

[GreyWeather]

They say Dino's were becoming Warm Blooded and going up into the mountains to eat us before they became exstinct.

uhm... we weren't around when the dino's were. so they wouldn't have been going up mountains to eat 'us'... we evolved far after the dino's vanished from the earth.

[JesseTheMutt]

uhm... we weren't around when the dino's were. so they wouldn't have been going up mountains to eat 'us'... we evolved far after the dino's vanished from the earth.

No no no no.When we arrived.They would have been warm blooded and have a great chance of eating a lot of the humans if they hadn't gone exstinct..

[GreyWeather]

ooohhh, sorry your post made it seem as if you thought they were already eating us

hm, if they hadn't died, then we wouldn't have risen. because we'd have never gained that chance to spread and evolve with the threat of dinosaurs killing us off, and the mammels that had grown in size would also have been picked off.

we only evolved to what we are, through the mammels, because dino's had vanished.