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Ziggy Stardust

Astral Travel & My technique

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I haven't seen the Navajo mythology on this, but the Dogon Tribe in Africa has stories of some visitors from the Pleiades or the Sirius system. Supposedly, the Dogon knew that Sirius was a triple star system before astronomers discovered the third. You can read more about the Dogon here: http://www.themasterofspeech.com/dogon.html

I would love to hear more about your visions.

yes very interesting. Will continue this in pm. Trying to keep this thread about learning to ap.

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Hey guys, I was reading your posts about shamanic drumming yesterday and I figured that might help me, so I started looking it up on youtube. I found some videos that are up to an hour long, but it is only nature sounds. I don't know if that will help you guys meditate but it has always helped me. The one im listening to is call "60 mins of lite rain". There is other ones as well, this user has a good selection, some are waterfalls, one is a river, a storm. There is a quite a few, if you are interested check it out. The users name is "YogaDuke".

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Hey guys, I was reading your posts about shamanic drumming yesterday and I figured that might help me, so I started looking it up on youtube. I found some videos that are up to an hour long, but it is only nature sounds. I don't know if that will help you guys meditate but it has always helped me. The one im listening to is call "60 mins of lite rain". There is other ones as well, this user has a good selection, some are waterfalls, one is a river, a storm. There is a quite a few, if you are interested check it out. The users name is "YogaDuke".

Thanks :) I had a search on youtube but could only find 10 minute videos, a friend today told me you could download the sound only from the video then make a loop of it, but cheers i think i'll try the ones you mention first.. see if they help.

Just checked my emails and the same friend found this shamanic drumming for me, is this the real deal?

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How long does it take to do this if you've never had a lucid dream or any weird experience with that stuff at all?

and by how long does it take I mean, is it days, months, years?

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Wow, it's been years since I last posted here and I'm glad to see this thread still active. I just wanted to get an answer on something that's kind of been confusing me.

I had forgotten all about Astral Travel but found this thread again last week and decided to give it another shot. So I set my alarm for early in the morning and after waking up for a few minutes I laid back down and started trying a few techniques I remember learning a couple years ago. Anyways, after 10 or 15 minutes I felt completely relaxed and I started to imagine myself sitting up, at this time I felt a floaty sensation in my head and upper body, and I could feel myself slowly sitting up. My heart started to race really fast and I got this really heavy, tense feeling in the pit of my stomach to the point where breathing was impossible. After I had sat up almost all of the way I realized I was still in my body and opened my eyes, sure enough I was sitting up in my bed feeling like an idiot.

My question is, what exactly happened? I know I wasn't dreaming because I got up right after this and, went about my day. Is it possible my astral form was trying to get out, but my body wouldn't let go? It's also possible my imagination kind of got the better of me and my body just went with it, but if so why the fast heartbeat and tightness in my stomach? Any help would be appreciated.

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All that is possible. It sounded like you had plenty of exit symtoms. But they sound closer on the sleep pralysis side of things. What I think is happening for a lot of people. ---- and this is purly my own opinion from my own experience----- is that you were trying to exit to early.

I do not even think about an exit or lifting out, until I feel vibrations.

My sugestion is to wait until you feel vibrations and then just physicall roll out.

If there are no vibrations you missing the key exit symptom.

I have seen a lot of advice out there about thinking about an exit, but i think for a lot of people it is not allowing their mind to quite down enough. Try just focusing in nural discharges clearing your mind and waiting for vibrations. Also try to see the discharges 3 dimentionaly. When the vibrations start then attempt an exit.

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How long does it take to do this if you've never had a lucid dream or any weird experience with that stuff at all?

and by how long does it take I mean, is it days, months, years?

Who knows. Only in the last six months have I felt confident enough to teach others. I'll let you know when I get an average. With that said I am still working on a lot. I'm by no means a master at this. But even guys like Robert monroe, and Robert Bruce. Guys that wrote the books. If you read their accounts...... They go through dry spells and still struggle with control.

Traditionally monks and martial arts masters, this skill was the final phase of their training, so it was many years for them.

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Are the vibrations the trembling that comes along with the racing heartbeat? Or is it something completely different? I've tried getting out of my body but like the person above, I sat up or rolled over physically. I had come to the conclusion that I was trying to get out at the wrong time. What am I looking for?

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Vibrations feel just as it sounds. I have a ring timer for circuit training. It's electronic. And for some odd reason it vibrates. But it dosnt vibrate like if you put it on a glass table it would never make a sound, but you can feel it. Something inside of it is vibrating. Walk around your house find electronics that are on and put your hand on them. See if you can find something that is vibrating on the inside.

When I get home I'll check to see if the microwave is a good analogy. That will be my new quest for anyone reading. I'll find a common houshold item you can put your hand on and feel something similar to astrial vibrations.

No it's no trembeling.... It's definantly vibrations :). Similar to a sustained mild electric shock.

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Wow, it's been years since I last posted here and I'm glad to see this thread still active. I just wanted to get an answer on something that's kind of been confusing me.

I had forgotten all about Astral Travel but found this thread again last week and decided to give it another shot. So I set my alarm for early in the morning and after waking up for a few minutes I laid back down and started trying a few techniques I remember learning a couple years ago. Anyways, after 10 or 15 minutes I felt completely relaxed and I started to imagine myself sitting up, at this time I felt a floaty sensation in my head and upper body, and I could feel myself slowly sitting up. My heart started to race really fast and I got this really heavy, tense feeling in the pit of my stomach to the point where breathing was impossible. After I had sat up almost all of the way I realized I was still in my body and opened my eyes, sure enough I was sitting up in my bed feeling like an idiot.

My question is, what exactly happened? I know I wasn't dreaming because I got up right after this and, went about my day. Is it possible my astral form was trying to get out, but my body wouldn't let go? It's also possible my imagination kind of got the better of me and my body just went with it, but if so why the fast heartbeat and tightness in my stomach? Any help would be appreciated.

That sounds a lot like self-suggestion/hypnosis. Or it could have been that you were not entirely into the dreaming stage and so the body was not entirely paralyzed yet (like when you fight in a dream and wake up to see that, from the way the sheets and blankets look, you were also fighting here...or if you're like me on one occassion, have to invest in some new sheet-rock and move your bed away from walls...LOL).

Tightness in stomach : Did you do a laying sit-up? Wouldn't be much different than the exercise, and would certainly tighten your abs to do that without any momentum before hand, and even more so if done slowly/controlled. That wouldn't do so much for the heart-beat though, unless you're really out of shape or had been holding your breath. You'll know the truth of the first potential. The second is anybody's guess, but holding the breath will result in an increased heart-rate after the first few seconds' of slowed pulse (oxygen).

The self-suggestion thing is pretty easy to replicate. Stand up with both arms level and out front of you. Close your eyes.

Now, over an over again, visualize that you are tying helium balloons to your left wrist and fingers while placing textbooks into your right hand. FEEL those books weighing down heavily on your hand. SEE those balloons in your mind, pulling your left hand up. Note how heavy your right arm feels; how tired you're getting; how hard it is to keep fighting that weight. Watch as those balloons rise ever so higher with your left hand in tow.

Do this for several minutes and then open your eyes.

Unless you consciously try to avoid the experience, your arms will evidence the vision.

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@ Seeker

Have you looked into the information available regarding Chakra?

A lot of what I've been reading here sounds very much like the experiences and sensations that come out of stimulating the Chakra.

When you consider that Chakra translates to Endocrine System (not literally, but that's where the Chakric centers are located), that opens up an interesting can of physiological speculation as to the effects of the mind on the body.

I can't quote exactly where, but I do recall reading that the concept was that this is the system that keeps the spiritual body "tethered" within the physical. As a physiological system it is basically responsible for chemical and hormonal regulations that trigger emotional responses (survival) and energy regulation (also survival). Thus, it is this system that can either become the cage to animal nature or our freedom from said nature by becoming aware of and able to overcome these responses via the use of the mind itself...akin to the difference between acting purely out of fear (fight or flight) and the warrior awareness that realizes that fear is energy waiting to be harnessed and directed (still fear, but no reaction without purposeful direction; awareness). "Yes I felt the fear, but I did not fear it." Being survival-oriented, the sense themselves would provide a great deal of feedback to this system; in my opinion through the filter of the pineal. Thus the animal-nature to become too focused on the sensual and pleasing when things get extreme in life (Life becomes painful. To avoid pain the animal seeks pleasure. The wise mind knows that this is no cure & comes at a cost.)

Could be that the process of visualization and relaxed awareness of what is going on is "freeing" us from this bondage. But if you react or flinch, then that part of the system has gotten the better of you and the effort is ruined; if one part of the system is stimulated in this fashion, it most always results in the domino effect, since the whole is interdependent. In essence, by giving these inner reactions "attention", we are giving them influence over the mind rather than maintaining that particular influence for ourselves. The result is that we become the controlled instead. So controlling emotions isn't so much "controlling" but to place the mind in a state of awareness such that those, ultimately, chemical & electrical experiences do not over-ride our authority.

The point of all that being to point out the importance of awareness in these experiences and any approach to them, as well as the similarities between the Chakra/Endocrine systems and the experiences reported by OOB and AT.

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Vibrations feel just as it sounds. I have a ring timer for circuit training. It's electronic. And for some odd reason it vibrates. But it dosnt vibrate like if you put it on a glass table it would never make a sound, but you can feel it. Something inside of it is vibrating. Walk around your house find electronics that are on and put your hand on them. See if you can find something that is vibrating on the inside.

When I get home I'll check to see if the microwave is a good analogy. That will be my new quest for anyone reading. I'll find a common houshold item you can put your hand on and feel something similar to astrial vibrations.

No it's no trembeling.... It's definantly vibrations :). Similar to a sustained mild electric shock.

Perhaps it's similar to the vibrations of a standing bass on a gym floor when you're sitting less than a few feet away. For some reason I never felt that again when we had concerts, it must have been that particular arrangement, because I certainly was always in the last few seats of the viola section -.- Is it a high or low frequency?

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When I try this I do get some sort of weird feeling but it's very light and I think it's just self suggestion, but it does feel like my bones vibrating,

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When I try this I do get some sort of weird feeling but it's very light and I think it's just self suggestion, but it does feel like my bones vibrating,

You will now it for sure when it happens. No doubt.

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Seeker can you start posting what you do in your projections? I'm curious.

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I'll summarize them. Be warned Im amassing a skeptic fan club, mostly my own fault. It may invite some ridicule. If it does I'll bite my tonge. I love to argue with them, but I don't want it to interfear hear. I was keeping a blog, it's just to much work getting them into electronic format from my written journal.

I'm have been mediatating and conditioning myself for a night journy tonight. I want to find out what this red orb thing is. I'll let you know.

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I don't think you're crazy nor am I a skeptic so don't worry, I just like to find out a lot about things, People with aspergers are like that

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I don't think you're crazy nor am I a skeptic so don't worry, I just like to find out a lot about things, People with aspergers are like that

Yes I Know, and now you make a little more sense to me.

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---- botched it up this morning. I got to vibrations and noises tried flaoting up something was off. A couple of negative thoughts went through my head about the thing going on in my neighbors yard. I used a mentel tecnique I made up to wipe them clean. Floating wasn't happening so just sat up. I got out, but like so many times j did not relize it so I laid back down only to relize I was indeed out. I hate that. It happens alot to me. My three year old has a fevor he was burning up he sliped into be with us. I gave him motrin, my wife is getting ready to go to work, I might get one more chance this morning, if he sleeps.

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Good luck

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I have always been interested in Astral Projection, although a bit skeptical. I have tried in the past but am going to try again. Can you go anywhere in time? I have read where people say they have time travelled, or was that remote viewing?

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I have always been interested in Astral Projection, although a bit skeptical. I have tried in the past but am going to try again. Can you go anywhere in time? I have read where people say they have time travelled, or was that remote viewing?

I have herd that in time is possible I have Not done that. I have made a few observation that might have been time related. Can't be sure.

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I have herd that in time is possible I have Not done that. I have made a few observation that might have been time related. Can't be sure.

Oh wow, do try

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Yeah . It would be quite a feat to go back and wittness historical events in person. Somehow I think it's going to be way more complicated than that. If ap would let me get the lotto numbers, heck I would start an ap university.

Tom brown jr, in one if his accounts, traveled back in time to watch an artifact being droped by a passing band of Indians. The trailing shamen noticed him and noded. Latter he claims he went back and actually dug it up.

I also found a rare artifact quite by accident though, right about the time all this started up for me. The artifact thing is quite a common theme I'm finding out. Not sure why.

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Can I have some more information on said artifact? I'm curious, maybe in PM though.

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