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Mumps Epedemic in US

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US mumps cases top 1,100 By Lisa Richwine

Wed Apr 19, 5:55 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of mumps cases has risen to 1,100 in eight Midwestern states and prompted the federal government to distribute vaccines from its stockpile to stop the outbreak's spread, health officials said on Wednesday.

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The outbreak is the largest mumps epidemic in the United States in more than 20 years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.

Most are in Iowa, where 815 cases have been recorded, the CDC said.

An additional 350 mumps cases have been reported in Minnesota, Kansas, Illinois, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Missouri and Oklahoma, officials said. Investigators are reviewing possible cases in seven other states that were not named.

Mumps usually is not serious and rarely kills. None of the cases in the recent outbreak have been fatal.

Once a common childhood illness, mumps was virtually eradicated with widespread use of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine.

But the vaccine is effective in only about 90 percent of people, which could partly explain the recent outbreak, CDC Director Julie Gerberding said.

"Although this is a very good vaccine, it's not perfect," Gerberding said at a news conference.

Many college-age students may have received just one of the two recommended doses when they were young, and therefore may not have the same level of immunity as others, she said.

Federal officials urged students, people who work in school or university settings and health-care workers who did not get both doses to get a second dose.

The CDC is sending 25,000 doses of MMR vaccine to Iowa for that purpose, Gerberding said. Drug maker Merck & Co. Inc. has donated an additional 25,000 doses for health officials to use as they see fit.

Investigators do not yet know how many of the people infected with mumps were vaccinated. So far, "we have absolutely no information to suggest there's a problem with the vaccine," Gerberding said.

Mumps is a viral infection of the salivary glands. It causes unpleasant illness including fever, headache and swelling of the glands around the jaw.

Up to 10 percent of patients may develop encephalitis. Other serious complications that sometimes occur include meningitis, inflammation of the testicles, ovaries or pancreas, or permanent deafness. There is no approved treatment.

The mumps virus is transmitted by coughing and sneezing. Experts say it is about as infectious as influenza. People can transmit mumps to others for three days before they have any symptoms.

In the United States, an average of 265 mumps cases have been reported each year since 2001. Mumps vaccinations started in 1967.

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This is an official

CDC HEALTH ADVISORY

Distributed via Health Alert Network

Friday, April 14, 2006, 20:34 EDT (08:34 PM EDT)

CDCHAN-00243-2006-04-14-ADV-N

Multi-state Mumps Outbreak

The state of Iowa has been experiencing a large outbreak of mumps that began in December 2005 (1). As of April 12, 2006, 605 suspect, probable and confirmed cases have been reported to the Iowa Department of Public Health (IDPH) (IDPH, unpublished data). The majority of cases are occurring among persons 18-25 years of age, many of whom are vaccinated. Additional cases of mumps, possibly linked to the Iowa outbreak, are also under investigation in eight neighboring states, including Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, and Wisconsin (CDC unpublished data, April 14, 2006).

In addition, the Iowa Department of Public Health has identified two persons diagnosed with mumps who were potentially infectious during travel on nine different commercial flights involving two airlines between March 26, 2006 and April 2, 2006. The origin and arrival cities for these flights include Cedar Rapids and Waterloo, IA; Dallas, TX; Detroit, MI; Lafayette, AR; Minneapolis, MN; St. Louis, MO; Tucson, AZ; and Washington, D.C. (2).

The source of the current US outbreak is unknown. However the mumps strain has been identified as genotype G, the same genotype circulating in the United Kingdom (UK). The outbreak in the UK has been ongoing from 2004 to 2006 and has involved > 70,000 cases. Most UK cases have occurred among unvaccinated young adults (3). The G genotype is not an unusual or rare genotype and, like the rest of known genotypes of mumps, it has been circulating globally for decades or longer.

Mumps clinical manifestations and transmission

Mumps is an acute viral infection characterized by a non-specific prodrome including myalgia, anorexia, malaise, headache and fever, followed by acute onset of unilateral or bilateral tender swelling of parotid or other salivary glands (4). In unvaccinated populations, an estimated 30-70% of mumps infections are associated with typical acute parotitis (4, 5). However, as many as 20% of infections are asymptomatic and nearly 50% are associated with non-specific or primarily respiratory symptoms, with or without parotitis (4).

Complications of mumps infection can include deafness, orchitis, oophoritis, or mastitis (inflammation of the testicles, ovaries, or breasts respectively), pancreatitis, meningitis/encephalitis, and spontaneous abortion. With the exception of deafness, these complications are more common among adults than children (4).

Transmission of mumps virus occurs by direct contact with respiratory droplets, saliva or contact with contaminated fomites. The incubation period is generally 16-18 days (range 12-25 days) from exposure to onset of symptoms (4, 6). Mumps virus has been isolated from saliva from between two and seven days before symptom onset until nine days after onset of symptoms (4, 6).

Mumps Prevention

The principal strategy to prevent mumps is to achieve and maintain high immunization levels. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommends that all preschool aged children 12 months of age and older receive one dose of measles-mumps-rubella vaccine (MMR) and all school-aged children receive two doses of MMR, and to ensure that all adults have evidence of immunity against mumps (5). As noted below, two doses of mumps vaccine are more effective than a single dose. Consequently, during outbreaks and for at-risk populations, ensuring high vaccination coverage with two doses is encouraged. For example, health care workers may be at increased risk of acquiring mumps and transmitting to patients and thus should receive two doses of MMR vaccine or provide proof of immunity. Since vaccination is the cornerstone of mumps prevention, public and private health entities concerned about spread of mumps in a population can review the vaccination status of populations of interest and work to address gaps in vaccination.

Mumps Vaccine Effectiveness

Data from outbreak investigations have shown that the effectiveness of MMR against mumps is approximately 80% after one dose and limited data suggest effectiveness of approximately 90% after two doses. Available evidence suggests that mumps vaccination should provide immunity against the genotype G virus responsible for the current US outbreak. A study of a 2005 New York outbreak that began with imported disease from the UK (7), demonstrated vaccine effectiveness in the expected range for both one and two doses (New York, unpublished data). However, since the vaccine is not 100% effective, some cases can occur in vaccinated persons. When a highly-vaccinated population is exposed to disease, most cases of disease would be expected to be among vaccinated persons. Mumps vaccine has not been shown to be effective in post-exposure prophylaxis and an interval of 2-4 weeks after vaccination may be required for the vaccine’s full immunogenicity to be achieved. For these reasons, and because of the mumps’ incubation period of 12-25 days, during an outbreak, newly-vaccinated persons may develop mumps disease as long as a month after vaccination (4, 5).

Control of mumps outbreaks

The main strategies for controlling a mumps outbreak are to define the at-risk population and transmission setting, identify and isolate suspected cases, and to rapidly identify and vaccinate susceptible persons or, if a contraindication to MMR vaccine exists, to exclude susceptible persons from the setting to prevent exposure and transmission. Specific strategies are listed below.

1. Offer MMR vaccine to persons without evidence of immunity. Evidence of immunity includes physician diagnosis or laboratory evidence of mumps infection, birth before 1957 or one dose of MMR vaccine. For pre-school aged children, the first MMR dose should be administered as close to age 12 months as possible. Although birth before 1957 is usually considered proof of immunity, during an outbreak, vaccination can be considered for this age group if the epidemiology of the outbreak suggests that they are at increased risk of disease. Since two doses of MMR vaccine is more effective than one dose for preventing mumps, a second dose of MMR vaccine is recommended for the following groups: health care workers, school-aged children, students at post-high school educational institutions and other age groups considered at high risk of exposure (5, 8).

2. Surveillance for mumps should be enhanced in all affected areas for persons with parotitis or other salivary gland inflammation. Enhanced surveillance should continue for 50 days (two times the maximum incubation period) after the date of illness onset in the last identified case. CSTE approved case definitions and case classifications for mumps are available (5).

3. Persons with suspected mumps should be tested and reported immediately to local public health officials. Information on collection and testing of clinical specimens for mumps will be available by Monday April 17, 2006 at http://www.cdc.gov/nip/diseases/mumps/mumps-lab.htm. Testing is essential as not all cases of parotitis are mumps, although mumps is the only known cause of epidemic parotitis.

4. Persons suspected of having mumps should be isolated for nine days after symptom onset (5, 6). In health care settings, the use of respiratory precautions is recommended (5).

5. Exclusion of persons without evidence of immunity to mumps from institutions such as schools and colleges affected by a mumps outbreak (and other, unaffected institutions judged by local public health authorities to be at risk for transmission of disease) should be considered. Once vaccinated, students can be readmitted to school. The period of exclusion for those that remain unvaccinated should be for at least 25 days after the onset of parotitis in the last person with mumps in the affected institution (5, 6).

Additional information on mumps and the prevention and control of mumps outbreaks, including vaccination, can be found at the following website:

CDC

Exposure to Mumps During Air Travel --- United States, April 2006

Please note: An erratum has been published for this article. To view the erratum, please click here.

On April 11, this report was posted as an MMWR Dispatch on the MMWR website (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr).

The state of Iowa has been experiencing a large mumps outbreak that began in December 2005 (1). As of April 10, 2006, a total of 515 possible mumps cases have been reported to the Iowa Department of Public Health (IDPH) during 2006 (2). This outbreak has spread across Iowa, and mumps activity, possibly linked to the Iowa outbreak, is under investigation in six neighboring states, including Illinois (n = four), Kansas (n = 33), Minnesota (n = one), Missouri (n = four), Nebraska (n = 43), and Wisconsin (n = four) (CDC, unpublished data, April 10, 2006). The reasons for this outbreak are under investigation.

Mumps is an acute viral infection characterized by a nonspecific prodrome, including myalgia, anorexia, malaise, headache, and fever, followed by acute onset of unilateral or bilateral tender swelling of parotid or other salivary glands (2). An estimated 60%--70% of mumps infections produce typical acute parotitis (3). Approximately 20% of infections are asymptomatic, and nearly 50% are associated with nonspecific or primarily respiratory symptoms. Complications include orchitis, oophoritis, or mastitis (inflammation of the testicles, ovaries, or breasts, respectively), meningitis/encephalitis, spontaneous abortion, and deafness. Transmission occurs by direct contact with respiratory droplets or saliva. The incubation period is 14--18 days (range: 14--25 days) from exposure to onset of symptoms. The infectious period is from 3 days before symptom onset until 9 days after onset of symptoms.

IDPH has identified two persons who had mumps diagnosed and were potentially infectious during travel on nine different commercial flights involving two airlines during March 26--April 2, 2006. The commercial airline flights identified with a potentially infectious traveler are listed below by date, carrier, and flight number:

Northwest Airline (NWA) flights:

March 26 NWA (Mesaba) #3025 from Waterloo, Iowa to Minneapolis, Minnesota

March 26 NWA #760 from Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Detroit, Michigan

March 27 NWA #0260 from Detroit, Michigan, to Washington, DC--Reagan National

March 29 NWA #1705 from Washington, DC--Reagan National to Minneapolis, Minnesota

March 29 NWA (Mesaba) #3026 from Minneapolis, Minnesota, to Waterloo, Iowa

American Airline (AA) flights:

April 2 AA #1216 from Tucson, Arizona, to Dallas, Texas (DFW)

April 2 AA #3617 from DFW to Lafayette, Arkansas (Northwest Arkansas Regional [NAR])

April 2 AA #5399 from NAR to St. Louis, Missouri

April 2 AA #5498 from St. Louis, Missouri, to Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Persons on these flights who have symptoms consistent with mumps within 21 days of travel should be evaluated for mumps by a health-care provider. Health-care providers should remain vigilant for mumps among persons with parotitis or other salivary gland inflammation. Cases of suspected mumps should be reported immediately to public health officials.

A multistate investigation has been initiated by CDC and the state health departments in affected states to notify potentially exposed passengers (i.e., those seated in close proximity to the index cases). This investigation is using a new software application, eManifest, developed by the CDC Division of Global Migration and Quarantine (DGMQ) to securely import, sort, and assign passenger-locating information to jurisdictions to facilitate timely identification of exposed persons. These data are securely transmitted to state and territorial health departments via the Epidemic Information Exchange (Epi-X) Forum (available at http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/epix/epix.html) for notification of potentially exposed passengers.

Incidence of mumps in the United States began to decrease after vaccine introduction in 1967 and recommendations for routine vaccination of children in 1977. Since the 1990s, a further decrease in the reported incidence of mumps has occurred, which is thought to be attributable to the implementation of the second dose of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine (3). The risk for transmission of respiratory infectious diseases during air travel might depend on several factors, including 1) immunity of passengers; 2) infectiousness of the organism; 3) degree of shedding of the pathogen by infected passengers; 4) hygienic practices of infectious passengers; 5) proximity of others to infectious passengers; 6) hygienic practices of the other passengers/crew; 7) flight duration; and 8) cabin environment of the aircraft (4). Transmission of other respiratory pathogens during air travel has been reported (5--9). Exposure and transmission of mumps during commercial air travel has not been described previously.

MMWR-CDC

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Hmmm those great vaccinations eh frog.........Even if you got the mumps many of us did in my day its no more that a common cold and you have a life long immunity....Not enough is known on the effectiveness of vaccinations....maybe this prompt some real research.....

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Hmmm those great vaccinations eh frog

Yes they are :yes: They eradicated mumps to such an extreme that many kids didn't need to get the vaccine anymore. This potential new strain will be eradicated also with the vaccination.

Getting the flu doesn't creat a life-long immunity at all. The flu changes every year. It evolves at an amazing rate. The body has to produce anti-bodies for each new strain. That is where vaccines come into play :yes:

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Yes they are :yes: They eradicated mumps to such an extreme that many kids didn't need to get the vaccine anymore. This potential new strain will be eradicated also with the vaccination.

Getting the flu doesn't creat a life-long immunity at all. The flu changes every year. It evolves at an amazing rate. The body has to produce anti-bodies for each new strain. That is where vaccines come into play :yes:

......do you watch the news by chance?? many get their info off the news it is to sell product such as flu shots...I'm busy this moment but i'll return later with the info on the flu lol

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it is to sell product such as flu shots

Another conspiracy :rolleyes: Flu shots save thousands of lives every year..the sickly and young.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/keyfacts.htm

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......do you watch the news by chance?? many get their info off the news it is to sell product such as flu shots...I'm busy this moment but i'll return later with the info on the flu lol

Oh frog question how is something erraticated to come back again?????

eradicate:

destroy or get rid of something completely, so that it can never recur or return again...

frog your losing this argument buddy.......

you by your own hand proved what i have been saying all along.....lol

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the flu shots cause more harm then good ther is no guarentee you won't get sick it just lessons the severity......after you get really sick form the shot, i know some very foolish people........I say EAT for health a healthy body is your best defense :D:wub:

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Oh frog question how is something erraticated to come back again?????

When they evolve...Viruses evolve. the H5N1 virus is a decendant of the Yellow fever, which is now eradicated. So why is the Bird flu here? Because it has evolved. Do you know what evolution means?

the flu shots cause more harm then good ther is no guarentee you won't get sick it just lessons the severity

You say this OVER and OVER again yet fail to show any proof. Just some more vegan propaganda. I can say Veggies kill people...Just like you say vaccines cause more harm than good. Explain how then Polio was eradicated? Mumps? Rubella? Measles?

I say EAT for health a healthy body is your best defense

This is possibly the DUMBEST statement I have ever heard.

"Oh, I am dying from the Ebola virus! Eating the Orange will cure me"

"I am going to jump of my roof, and since I am vegan, I won't break any bones!"

"I have familial prostate cancer! If I eat asparagus, I will be cured!"

Medicine is the way to go. Food does not build an immunity, vaccines do. Food do not cure deadly diseases, medicine does. Food does not cause 95% of diseases-animals, air, water, lifestyle do.

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This is possibly the DUMBEST statement I have ever heard.

"Oh, I am dying from the Ebola virus! Eating the Orange will cure me"

"I am going to jump of my roof, and since I am vegan, I won't break any bones!"

"I have familial prostate cancer! If I eat asparagus, I will be cured!"

Medicine is the way to go. Food does not build an immunity, vaccines do. Food do not cure deadly diseases, medicine does. Food does not cause 95% of diseases-animals, air, water, lifestyle do.

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Yet you dismiss mad cow disease as nothing to be concerned with hmmm....I said and in your youth I'm having to explain every little thing to you , focus on making your body a healthy organism , in doing that you will go a long way in avioding disease...The truth is vaccinations the side effects are frighteneing, explain all the kids that opt not to get vaccinations and have healthy lives, no barin damage or autism or larening disabilities wow imagine thatt????? Frog a person has hypertension how did they get it and what can they do according to your logic go on blood pressure medication correct???? In my world hyper tension can lead to aheart attack stroke those are 'deadly "

diabetes the effects are blindness loss of limbs again pretty deadly in my world

how about cancer ever seen some die of it I have and its miserable and horrible to watch...

You telling me that diet wounldn't prevent that????

it does and the AMA the cancer people have put out plenty of info to prevent these things guess what frog its DIET DIET DIET the cause and the cure how could you of missed this being a future doctor????................Frog you eat animals, you breathe in air, you drink water all ingested as i said 90% contracted through this manner.....food being the most many diseases come form meat and dairy and milk.........

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Yet you dismiss mad cow disease as nothing to be concerned with hmmm....

No, I say we should worry on other diseases instead. No doubt it is a dangerous disease, but the flu kills more every year. There hasn't been a documented case in the states for years (Mad Cow).

The truth is vaccinations the side effects are frighteneing, explain all the kids that opt not to get vaccinations and have healthy lives, no barin damage or autism or larening disabilities wow imagine thatt?????

And explain to me all that do not get vaccinated, cannot attend public schools, and stay sickly for the rest of their life. Autism has no connection to vaccinations. Studies are preliminary and falling apart.

Frog a person has hypertension how did they get it and what can they do according to your logic go on blood pressure medication correct???? In my world hyper tension can lead to aheart attack stroke those are 'deadly "

Medicine can cure that. Hypertension is created via stress or familial..not food :tu:

diabetes the effects are blindness loss of limbs again pretty deadly in my world

Diabetes meds-insulin :tu:

how about cancer ever seen some die of it I have and its miserable and horrible to watch...

There are ways to 'cure' cancer...surgery is one op.

You telling me that diet wounldn't prevent that????

Most of them, no :)

it does and the AMA the cancer people have put out plenty of info to prevent these things guess what frog its DIET DIET DIET the cause and the cure how could you of missed this being a future doctor????................

Guess what? Diet does not prevent all types of cancer...Genetics play a big role, and so does exposure :tu:

Frog you eat animals, you breathe in air, you drink water all ingested as i said 90% contracted through this manner.....food being the most many diseases come form meat and dairy and milk.........

I think the CDC has more authority than a vegan propagandist like you...30-40%. The other is caused by VECTOR-BORNE, AIRBORNE, Other indirect transmission, and DIRECT TRANSMISSION (99% of all viruses)

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No, I say we should worry on other diseases instead. No doubt it is a dangerous disease, but the flu kills more every year. There hasn't been a documented case in the states for years (Mad Cow).

And explain to me all that do not get vaccinated, cannot attend public schools, and stay sickly for the rest of their life. Autism has no connection to vaccinations. Studies are preliminary and falling apart.

Medicine can cure that. Hypertension is created via stress or familial..not food :tu:

Diabetes meds-insulin :tu:

There are ways to 'cure' cancer...surgery is one op.

Most of them, no :)

Guess what? Diet does not prevent all types of cancer...Genetics play a big role, and so does exposure :tu:

I think the CDC has more authority than a vegan propagandist like you...30-40%. The other is caused by VECTOR-BORNE, AIRBORNE, Other indirect transmission, and DIRECT TRANSMISSION (99% of all viruses)

Frog you can choose to beleive what ever you want, again nutrition isn't your area.......Hypertension is too much animal in the diet, Lucklily where i reside the medical community is evolving and not so barbaric in its understandings..........There is no cure for cancer , Frog i lost my grandmother my grandfather to cancer i am very familiar with the disease, i also have a mother who had breast cancer, I lost a another grandfather to cancer throat cancer and my husband lost his father to cancer (two to liver) no cure my dear friend mother died of bone cancer a year ago. It is something that i'd be interested in understanding ..breast cancer has the best survival rate..At these stats my diet is imperative ...they were all smokers, and drinkers except for one was a fast food junkie and one drank. heavily.. no one excersised except for one but he drank heavily..... Genetics accounts for 10-20 percent, i beleive my doctor over a child.... being over weight very over weigh increses your odds, most brest cncers i have known have been obese because toxins and carcinogens store in fat.. i work with a breast cancer survivor her doctor told her if she would loose weight eat healthy and excersice she would go along way in preventing further problems she is finallly 3 years later doing that she was constantly sick constantly had this cough...My mother on the other hand isn't heeding this advice she was told the same thing...my grandmothers both died of a reaccurance of breast cancer neither changed anything.....I have been around enough sickness to understand health quite well and when you don't have it well......this is real life stuff or vegan propoganda , it is serious for me to be food aware it may be my life one day.....I am very versed on the subject and always learning more as its a evolving study...nutrition....

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Sherri did you vaccinate your children? Don't they have to be to enter school? Or did you homeschool as well?

Even so... Are vaccinations mandatory for college?

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.......Hypertension is too much animal in the diet

That is ridiculous! Hypertension is a lung/heart disorder in which the blood pressure raises far above the normal level.

CDC-Hypertension

I might not be a nutrionist but I do love epidemiology...

There is no cure for cancer

That why I put it in quotes...There are therapies.

being over weight very over weigh increses your odds, most brest cncers i have known have been obese because toxins and carcinogens store in fat

Prevention of Breat Cancer-NCI

No where does it talk about food. You are right, genetics only account for 10-20%. Nutrition accounts for LESS :)

...they were all smokers, and drinkers

Which is DIFFERENT than nutrition. Alcohol destroys the liver and smoking causes throat, mouth, and lung cancer.

Food does not cause or prevent any of those.

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Weighing in I have to agree mostly with Sherri about nutrition. Frog, you cite from the CDC all you want, but you cannot deny that viatmins that help keep health bones are not obtained from your diet. It is silly to say your diet does not affect your health, of course if you do not have a proper intake of calcium when you are a child you will have weaker bone structure when you mature.

Regardless of other advantages or disadvantages of milk are, I drank about a quart a day all my life, I have had one hairline fracture in my pinky, and what caused that might you ask? I had a car fall on my entire hand, and not a freaking geo-prism or a honda civic, I was rotating my dads GMC Suburbans tires and the jack slipped and a tire landed on my hand. Now, maybe I'm just extremly lucky, but my best friend who lives across the street broke his hand the first time we ever had a catch together when I threw as hard as I could. I've had alot of experience with pain that should have resulted in things being broken, and alot of other people have broken their bones in the most stupid ways, and I have always wondered how that is possible. I guess it is what happens because my friend drank mostly soda and things like tropicana fruit punch his whole life.

You can argue that it is a disease or what not but I have had to many experiences in which things like that have happened, and the probablity of all my friends breaking bones because of a disease is nil. I don't currently have the most health habbits regarding consumption, but it's damned better then all of my friends, and I think it still stands, me 1 hairline fractures, the least any of my junkfood friends have are 3.

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thanks rage for a personal account its very appreciated by me...i said all that too 7 out of nine kids in my neighborhood have broken there bones there diets are horrible soda and fast food. too.....yours is understandable and should of broke lol....Wath are you talking about your diet is getting better few people look into cleaning up their diet that is my hats off to you....you'll be an advoccate for health I need all the support I can get lol :D the vegan cop :D

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thanks rage for a personal account its very appreciated by me...i said all that too 7 out of nine kids in my neighborhood have broken there bones there diets are horrible soda and fast food. too.....yours is understandable and should of broke lol....Wath are you talking about your diet is getting better few people look into cleaning up their diet that is my hats off to you....you'll be an advoccate for health I need all the support I can get lol :D the vegan cop :D

How am I supposed to strike fear into the hearts of criminals when I cringe at the sight of a steak!?! :lol:

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Sherri did you vaccinate your children? Don't they have to be to enter school? Or did you homeschool as well?

Even so... Are vaccinations mandatory for college?

rage i have three children the oldest i almsot lost to a vaccination DPT he made it but he has learning disablities i was a very young girl it was the doctor who strongly urged me to look into vaccinations read up on them...there are excepmtions in many states mine contains all three health , religion or philisophically. the schools will not tell you about the form and they will down right lie and say you need vaccinations but its not true ..you have to know what to ask for..i home school my youngest but he was in school for kindergarten and 1st grade and my others went to school it has never been a problem..My kids have nothing my middle got the two things they give at birth becasue I didn't know but my third did not..he is not vaccinated at all.... I found a docotr that pointed me in the direction of info... if i was too have chosen to vaccinate its personal to every parent i would of waited until two years or school age..I also nursed my boys the full time as recommned by the doctor and (you know our diet) a year breast feeding passes on every immunity I have to the child , it actually does work too i had mumps and chicken pox as child and i recently there was a outbreak the funny thing is the kids that had immunizations got it and my two didn't..go figure..they don't research the shots at all they use our children as human guinea pigs...alot of things such as autism , learning disabilities, adhd allergies etc etc are connected to the vaccinations...

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What are the two vaccines they give at birth and if I want to, how can I let them know not to give it to them?

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What are the two vaccines they give at birth and if I want to, how can I let them know not to give it to them?

First make sure in your state its exempt rage, second its eye drops and i forget i can find out for you tommorow or online...you and our lady aren't gonna vaccinate or are gonna wait????? Do you have the Le leche league in your state??its the breast feeding mothers of america they will come to your house and educate you on everything that is who my doc hooked me up with its non profit..If they are still around....Get the book the womanly art of breast feeding if you don't already have it...you probably do....Hepatitis B is the other one the eye drops are becaseu of some rae disease one of the kennedy kids got i forget what its called....Don't let them under naycircumstances give hte baby a bottle stay with the baby rage even when they bath her don't leave her leave Daddys sight...they will try to give sucrose water DON"T say no...tha is what my hubby did and he was firm, he was my eyes .......

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First make sure in your state its exempt rage, second its eye drops and i forget i can find out for you tommorow or online...you and our lady aren't gonna vaccinate or are gonna wait????? Do you have the Le leche league in your state??its the breast feeding mothers of america they will come to your house and educate you on everything that is who my doc hooked me up with its non profit..If they are still around....Get the book the womanly art of breast feeding if you don't already have it...you probably do....

I have no idea what I'm going to do, this is all new information to me and the baby is due within the next month for sure but probably half of that. For now the most extreme I think I can do is to delay if it is possible and buy time for further research.

"§ 2164. Definitions; immunization against poliomyelitis, mumps, measles, diphtheria, rubella, varicella, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), pertussis, tetanus, and hepatitis B.

8. If any physician licensed to practice medicine in this state certifies that such immunization may be detrimental to a child's health, the requirements of this section shall be inapplicable until such immunization is found no longer to be detrimental to the child's health.

9. This section shall not apply to children whose parent, parents, or guardian hold genuine and sincere religious beliefs which are contrary to the practices herein required, and no certificate shall be required as a prerequisite to such children being admitted or received into school or attending school."

lol, I'll say I'm a Jehova Witness.

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the other one the eye drops are becaseu of some rae disease one of the kennedy kids got i forget what its called

Edit: That was an uneccessary and distasteful comment. Read the PM I am sending you.

Edited by Lottie

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I have no idea what I'm going to do, this is all new information to me and the baby is due within the next month for sure but probably half of that. For now the most extreme I think I can do is to delay if it is possible and buy time for further research.

"§ 2164. Definitions; immunization against poliomyelitis, mumps, measles, diphtheria, rubella, varicella, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), pertussis, tetanus, and hepatitis B.

8. If any physician licensed to practice medicine in this state certifies that such immunization may be detrimental to a child's health, the requirements of this section shall be inapplicable until such immunization is found no longer to be detrimental to the child's health.

9. This section shall not apply to children whose parent, parents, or guardian hold genuine and sincere religious beliefs which are contrary to the practices herein required, and no certificate shall be required as a prerequisite to such children being admitted or received into school or attending school."

lol, I'll say I'm a Jehova Witness.

thats the form rage california had against philisophical beeleifs...I checked that one ..then they call you if there is a out break of somethig they are actually very kind i had no trouble.. Read up on it not just the pros but the cons look at both sides you'll see waht I mean when you research they are made outt o be far deadlier and serious then they actually are, thats what got me the side effects of the shot was the deadly part and take each shot maybe you'll do one or two....the resources are amazing now a days...All the best to you on this its a big decison and in my case my hubby was 100% in my corner thankfully.... :D some households are split my partner in vaccination awareness was approached by her mother in law begging her not to give her baby the shots two of her husbands siblings got autism afterward...even with that her hubby wanted her too..she didn't do it....they are still togehter but it was rough going....

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We have a bill in our state senate that is trying to make the philosophical part legal, but it has apparantly been stalling for several years.

I tossed the idea at my gf and she seemed to like it especially after I told her that all immuninizations are passed through breast feeding. I even recalling hearing that before, and why is it necessary to ever vaccinate again if that is the case?

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We have a bill in our state senate that is trying to make the philosophical part legal, but it has apparantly been stalling for several years.

I tossed the idea at my gf and she seemed to like it especially after I told her that all immuninizations are passed through breast feeding. I even recalling hearing that before, and why is it necessary to ever vaccinate again if that is the case?

Good question... Well it will become clear to you once you research , its a very big buisness is one possible reason and a parent who hasn't researched jsut trusts the system (unless somwething goes wrong would have no reason to investigate ...people usually just go with the flow...It was almost losing my child that made me notice i was your age in a energency room with my baby convulsing terrified not kowing they told me he had spinal meningitis at first and may not make it through the nite....i don't want to bash the whole medical community becasue it was a doctor that told me to learn and a doctor that gave me the resources they weren't that many in the 80's not like now.......

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It was almost losing my child that made me notice i was your age in a energency room with my baby convulsing terrified not kowing they told me he had spinal meningitis at first and may not make it through the nite

Menengitis is a BACTERIAL INFECTION not related to vaccination at all. Vaccinations actually reduced the number of menengitis cases cause by H. influenzae. The leading causes of meningitis now are other bacteria.

Antibiotics are the only way to cure meningitis.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo...ngococcal_g.htm

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