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On 6/26/2016 at 4:17 PM, Skep B said:

Good lord, this is a ridiculous topic.  Immortality isn't possible, meditation has health benefits, sure, but our cells aren't sentient so we can't "communicate" with them.

Whatever magical stuff you want to believe is your business, but the laws of physics remain enforced.  Anecdotal stories tell us about people living hundreds of years, but evidence shows we're living the longest of any time in recorded history due to advancements in medical science.

Everything dies.  us, the planet, the galaxy, the universe, that jerk Craig in accounting.

cellular structures break down, including the cells in the brain, there is very little we can do against that.

Some day we may advance A.I. enough to copy the entire human brain, but even then it wouldn't be the person's brain.  It would simply be a program based off it. and the person would still die.  Humanity has looked for immortality since we first started scratching symbols in the dirt hoping it would make it rain.  But all things follow a similar path in the universe, and our compilations of atoms only holds itself together with the proper chemical reactions to allow life for a relatively short while.

There is no evidence of anything else.

I must respond to your reply. Cells aren't sentinent and we can't communicate with them. You are right in a way but wrong too. Cells communicate signals on chemical and electrical levels all the time. Conscious or subconscious will from the brain's neurons causes changes through electrical interventions to cells and cell groups, it's how we move live and grow. Some people are capable to control some biological functions others can't like heart beat etc through meditation. 

I agree with you about AI. I agree there is no immortality in physical forms because stars and galaxies die.

The immortality of the physical universes or smallest  cell groups is that they can  procreate another  functional life like itself. Like you mentioned  with AI it is not the same being but similarities to the first being is passed to a new form. That is a form of immortality through generation but not immortality of any original physical forms.

The immortals which I'm talking about  are not really immortals. They are people who have achieved an extended youthful and healthy life span. I think through the ages of early deaths and diseases, they became myths to others as immortals but they were not truly immortal. 

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 You might find this interesting too ...  http://www.graal.co.uk/genesis_lecture_full_2.php ... also  when researching the pineal gland and thinking back how the ancients .. especially the Egyptians worshipped cats and alligators... I found that cats have the most neural connections to their pineal gland...   and that Alligators and Crocodiles don't have pineal glands .. yet still secrete melatonin.. ( the longevity ingredient) .. but they do have extra large Harderian glands which they think may  also be responsible for Melatonin production. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940960206000367

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The vertebrate pineal gland is the primary source of melatonin, the rhythmic secretion of which is influenced by environmental light and temperature, thereby providing animals with information about seasonally changing photoperiod and thermoperiod. Although pineal glands are present in the majority of vertebrate species, a discrete organ is reported to be absent in the Crocodilia. However, if the melatonin rhythm is crucial to the survival of the organism, it would be expected that the rhythm would be present in crocodiles. In the present study, we measured blood plasma melatonin over a 30-h period in aestivating Australian freshwater crocodiles (Crocodylus johnstoni) in their natural habitat at the end of the dry season (November) and found no discernible melatonin rhythm. However, another group of captive-reared C. johnstoni, maintained under natural light and temperature cycles and sampled in the early dry season (June) showed a clear melatonin rhythm. These results suggest that there is either an extrapineal source of melatonin in this crocodile species or that there is melatonin producing tissue elsewhere which heretofore has not been discovered. Further studies are needed to determine why the melatonin rhythm is intermittently expressed and whether this may be related to seasonal changes in the expression of the rhythm linked to tropical environments.  http://espace.cdu.edu.au/view/cdu:37241  

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-76685-5_18   

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The pineal gland and the Harderian glands have a number of biochemical and physiological features which are similar. Both organs contain melatonin and associated enzymes required for its synthesis  >>><<<  Finally, both organs also exhibit day/night rhythms in vasopressin and oxytocin (Gauquelin et al. 1988). Why these organs have these similarities is unknown and, indeed, astonishing considering their widely different embryological derivations, etc.   http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-76685-5_18

 

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12 minutes ago, White Unicorn said:

I must respond to your reply. Cells aren't sentinent and we can't communicate with them. You are right in a way but wrong too. Cells communicate signals on chemical and electrical levels all the time. Conscious or subconscious will from the brain's neurons causes changes through electrical interventions to cells and cell groups, it's how we move live and grow. Some people are capable to control some biological functions others can't like heart beat etc through meditation. 

I agree with you about AI. I agree there is no immortality in physical forms because stars and galaxies die.

The immortality of the physical universes or smallest  cell groups is that they can  procreate another  functional life like itself. Like you mentioned  with AI it is not the same being but similarities to the first being is passed to a new form. That is a form of immortality through generation but not immortality of any original physical forms.

The immortals which I'm talking about  are not really immortals. They are people who have achieved an extended youthful and healthy life span. I think through the ages of early deaths and diseases, they became myths to others as immortals but they were not truly immortal. 

There are some obvious clues on how thoughts control you cells... think in terms of the Placebo effect and the Nocebo effects... where thoughts actually affect how we heal..   then there is the power of hypnosis... and.. just changing beliefs.. behavior.. thinking changes your biochemistry..and the resultant cell expressions..

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6 hours ago, crystal sage said:

I read your article... on immortality... I'm now thinking this differing DNA might have something to do with random viruses and bacteria from comets.. meteorites.. ( I just spent hours on this today answering another post) .. the thing that came to mind was the bacteria from Easter Island that is said to create longevity.. that would bond with the DNA.. it has been used as medicine Metformin for diabetes.. since then it has been found to minimize damage or oxidation of all organs.. Just saw a program on a BBC show called Catalyst.. it is said to increase lifespan by 30% .. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/secret-to-a-longer-life-lies-on-easter-island-1738055.html   interesting .. here it is considered http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25576058   :) this is the story I heard.. http://www.worldhealth.net/news/the_most_effective_and_under-appreciated/

You are right on target this bacteria can effect two different processes and they made two types of drugs. It is used on pancreatic cancer diabetes immune responses and changes cellular functions through integration with human DNA etc. The pharmaceuticals seem to use only one aspect for different drugs  and it can lead to kidney failure from too much waste to liver etc. 

It needs tweaked to be used on healthy individuals to increase life span without harm. NIH is a good source for research on all areas of health, dry but more informational. 

When it first was discovered it was used on people as an antibiotic not just mice. When they discovered the unknown pottentials it became more researched for patented drugs. 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/03/30/2009/07/08/rapamycin-the-easter-island-drug-that-extends-lifespan-of-old-mice/

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44 minutes ago, crystal sage said:

 You might find this interesting too ...  http://www.graal.co.uk/genesis_lecture_full_2.php ... also  when researching the pineal gland and thinking back how the ancients .. especially the Egyptians worshipped cats and alligators... I found that cats have the most neural connections to their pineal gland...   and that Alligators and Crocodiles don't have pineal glands .. yet still secrete melatonin.. ( the longevity ingredient) .. but they do have extra large Harderian glands which they think may  also be responsible for Melatonin production. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940960206000367

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-76685-5_18   

 

Pineal gland that produces melatonin is another fascinating system. Our bodies are filled with so many systems interconnected to one another it's amazing.

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I must also add about the people who make also bee elixirs to take with the plant and mineral distillations that extends their life spans. I know they  use bee polen, royal jelly and raw honey in elixers. They sell honey crop and beef from their farms but not the elixers. I suspect the bee pollen holds a key to some specific plant that even they don't know the potent ingredients or of which plants. I remember bee keepers in one area of Russia years ago were average lived in their hundreds but they were not youthful in appearance. So beekeeping is only one factor.

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5 hours ago, White Unicorn said:

 

I must also add about the people who make also bee elixirs to take with the plant and mineral distillations that extends their life spans. I know they  use bee polen, royal jelly and raw honey in elixers. They sell honey crop and beef from their farms but not the elixers. I suspect the bee pollen holds a key to some specific plant that even they don't know the potent ingredients or of which plants. I remember bee keepers in one area of Russia years ago were average lived in their hundreds but they were not youthful in appearance. So beekeeping is only one factor.

You might be interested or already know of this... the ancient Georgian Traditions of Phage Therapy... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriophage  ... Then there is also a yogic form of vibrational activation of cell activation.. You simply concentrate on your 'being' until you can feel your whole body vibrate... tingle.. you may use a form of Placebo thinking where you pick an ingredient  ( I use Vitamin C as it is known to boost collagen production.. and boost healing in the body... it also supplements the adrenal glands for handling stress  which is aging... http://www.adrenalfatiguefocus.org/adrenal-fatigue-and-vitamin-c.html    and visualize it 'intentionally resonating and activating your whole body and the auric forces.) . stay with it for a while... ( the Tibetans have a version of it by visualizing various purpose built pills being taken during meditations to help balance the body of positive and negative forces in their lives.) Then there is also the Ketogenic benefit of occasional fasting that boosts mitochondrial functions to prevent or reverse aging. I believe that new 5-2 diet is said to be amazing..  http://www.marksdailyapple.com/managing-your-mitochondria/#axzz4DIkxIFBM   and this is an interesting read as well... https://eatmeatdrinkwater.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/what-must-i-do-to-get-well-by-elma-stuart.pdf

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You might find this article too... highlighting how consciousness can affect reality.  https://www.sott.net/article/321336-Mind-over-matter-Scientists-study-woman-who-can-grow-a-seed-into-a-plant-in-20-minutes   

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There are also some extraordinary claims from a publication titled "Exceptional Functions of the Human Body." This study reports of highly accurate parapsychological effects, including clairvoyance, psychokinetic effects, and more. (source)

In a report published in 2010, by retired research chemist Dong Shen, an experiment is described involving mental teleportation of bits of paper out of a sealed plastic film container. What's even more fascinating is that these methods were taught to others and the success rate was 40 percent.
 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10794112

 

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Those who study the physical effects of the EHF's mind-matter interface often collaborate on their findings. The researchers agree they are observing repeatable, hyper-time-space-non-linear macro phenomena that violate the classical and relativistic models in which the nature of physical matter is currently understood... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10794112

It is commonly understood by these scientists that an EHF's personal and individual evolution is directly linked to their individual skills; the greater their capacity to manipulate matter; the more spiritually evolved the EHF is considered to be...

While westerners who openly demonstrate mind/matter interface are publicly reviled and discredited, the known EHF's in China are honored as heroes and celebrities; national treasures that are sought after as teachers, advisors and consultants. (source)

 

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http://zeniclinic.com/2011/04/dna/   I so want to study  Qigong   one day.. I have been meaning to do this for years... The Waiqi  looks the most interesting.. http://keystohealing.ca/?p=3349

 

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It will be of great significance to study the influence of qi energy on metabolism, growth and development, and gene expression, especially since these effects may be relevant to human health and longevity. RAPD (random amplified polymorphic DNA) is a molecular marking technique developed by two teams, Williams et al. (1990) and Welsh et al. (1990), to detect DNA polymorphisms. It uses the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to amplify different genome sites with 10 (or 9)mer single primers. Differences among the genomes are revealed by the presence or absence of certain DNA fragments that are amplified, the DNA fingerprint being obtained by gel electrophoresis. Because of its speed, simplicity and high efficiency (Williams et al., 1990), the RAPD method is widely used in research fields such as the identification of biological species and genera, and population and segregation analysis. In this paper, RAPD primers were used to test whether accelerated germination induced by qi energy was associated with changes in the genome.

 

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4 hours ago, crystal sage said:

Thanks for the links. I try to keep it simple so the skeptical people will become more open minded to discover new things. I know some people are more aware of other senses more than is normally considered by most.We can connect through them consciously after experimenting.

It's going off original topic but it is another factor in conscious cellular communication whether within self or outside of a person. I don't think most people develop the extra senses but have potential to develop more senses  than they believe they have. It's like some people have better vision than hearing. If you lack vision you develop other senses to compensate. If you are normal you have no need to develop the other latent senses, unless you have a desire to research and do personal experiments skeptically but open minded as well. Different methods work for different people who have different latent senses and it is about an expanded consciousness linked to an expanded sense normally not thought about by people.

Your links to this and the research of real repeatable findings from the National Institute of Health  shows the more skeptical that real researchers with scientific methods  see some effects of consciousness directed outside of self.

We learn from the research and others who have developed the same kind of senses we have experienced and try to understand what gives us certain abilities. We are kind of like smart phones connected or disconnected from an internet. How we connect and use information we learn is up to the individual!

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, crystal sage said:

http://zeniclinic.com/2011/04/dna/   I so want to study  Qigong   one day.. I have been meaning to do this for years... The Waiqi  looks the most interesting.. http://keystohealing.ca/?p=3349

 

 

I don't have the link but DNA has been observed where a fragment on one side can hop to the other to activate or deactivate a chain function in genetics.It appeared to researcher as some sort or quantum leap since it disappeared one one side and then appeared on the other. Tells me that on a microscopic and cellular lever there is a connection to quantum weirdness that Einstein observed. A connection to time and space or dimensional changes that aren't fully understood by physicists yet but they are getting closer with CERN experiments. 

It's fascinating to ponder on the different findings and hypothesis yet to be tested.

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On ‎7‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 2:35 AM, White Unicorn said:

I don't have the link but DNA has been observed where a fragment on one side can hop to the other to activate or deactivate a chain function in genetics.It appeared to researcher as some sort or quantum leap since it disappeared one one side and then appeared on the other. Tells me that on a microscopic and cellular lever there is a connection to quantum weirdness that Einstein observed. A connection to time and space or dimensional changes that aren't fully understood by physicists yet but they are getting closer with CERN experiments. 

It's fascinating to ponder on the different findings and hypothesis yet to be tested.

Or there is this new theory that is doing the rounds in the scientific world .. https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-physicists-are-saying-consciousness-is-a-state-of-matter-like-a-solid-a-liquid-or-a-gas-5e7ed624986d#.7volxwg5e  mixed with this... http://wearechange.org/people-can-draw-energy-people-way-plants/

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5 hours ago, crystal sage said:

That is a new MIT study that's new to me, to think of consciousness as another state of matter just like solid, liquid or gas etc.  It would fit in with my leanings of beliefs about consciousness being more then what is generally believed. 

Thanks for the link :)

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6 hours ago, White Unicorn said:

That is a new MIT study that's new to me, to think of consciousness as another state of matter just like solid, liquid or gas etc.  It would fit in with my leanings of beliefs about consciousness being more then what is generally believed. 

Thanks for the link :)

It works with Lipton's  studies in this field too.. on how thought affects our DNA http://in5d.com/bruce-lipton-how-our-thoughts-control-our-dna/  it also explains the Placebo and Nocebo effect .

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In the future there will be two forms of immortality. Transhumanism and spiritual immortality or what I like to call alchemy. Trans-humanism will involve downloading your consciousness into a clone of your choice or a completely mechanical robot or a combo pack of bio-mechanics. The more difficult form will involve something similar to the glorified body that Christianity promises its followers. This form can only be achieved through Alchemy. It is the Philosopher's Stone, The Holy Grail, and most importantly that alchemical sun bird "The Phenoix"

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On ‎7‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 2:35 AM, White Unicorn said:

I don't have the link but DNA has been observed where a fragment on one side can hop to the other to activate or deactivate a chain function in genetics.It appeared to researcher as some sort or quantum leap since it disappeared one one side and then appeared on the other. Tells me that on a microscopic and cellular lever there is a connection to quantum weirdness that Einstein observed. A connection to time and space or dimensional changes that aren't fully understood by physicists yet but they are getting closer with CERN experiments. 

It's fascinating to ponder on the different findings and hypothesis yet to be tested.

http://in5d.com/bruce-lipton-how-our-thoughts-control-our-dna/

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1 hour ago, Elsupremo said:

In the future there will be two forms of immortality. Transhumanism and spiritual immortality or what I like to call alchemy. Trans-humanism will involve downloading your consciousness into a clone of your choice or a completely mechanical robot or a combo pack of bio-mechanics. The more difficult form will involve something similar to the glorified body that Christianity promises its followers. This form can only be achieved through Alchemy. It is the Philosopher's Stone, The Holy Grail, and most importantly that alchemical sun bird "The Phenoix"

https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/why-physicists-are-saying-consciousness-is-a-state-of-matter-like-a-solid-a-liquid-or-a-gas-5e7ed624986d#.g84sypc92  or an expansive connectedness to consciousness.. ( think in terms of telepathy)... then there is also that time is only relative in this physical dimension.. think in terms of Quantum physics and how clairvoyance works.. seeing into the future.. the past.. psychometry... then there is our experiences of Deja Vu ... I think these are just knocks on the doorways of time travel..little  clicks in the dimensional  vortexes of our experienced reality.. that are time sensitive... portals.. or branches of alternative realities... notice when you experience these Deja vu.. you have a heightened sense of awareness.. and thinking back to these times.. you find that these were often points of key decisions that affect your future... a subliminal hint to tread carefully.. Note how easy it is to return to these points in your memory.. so is this Deja vu  created by a future you.. constantly jumping back to this point in memory? or another outer awareness... note after these experiences the world seems a little different.. the colors.. brightness is different.. reality is shifting a little ...

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According to the teachings of Seth, Deja Vu is a remembering of a dream. In other words, everything we do in life is the reinactment of dreams that we don't remember. The dreams we do remember are the garbage of dreams. The dreams we don't remember except in instances of dejaVu are the dreams that we are re-enacting in our every day lives.

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On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 2:03 AM, Elsupremo said:

According to the teachings of Seth, Deja Vu is a remembering of a dream. In other words, everything we do in life is the reinactment of dreams that we don't remember. The dreams we do remember are the garbage of dreams. The dreams we don't remember except in instances of dejaVu are the dreams that we are re-enacting in our every day lives.

It doesn't then explain my many prophetic dreams... or dreams with messages.. eg Books to read.. that when I finally complied.. ( I would dream the same dream again and again.. until I did.. )  would actually change my perception of how I experienced reality.. or expanded it in a useful way...    or I would remember  at least 10 seconds of a dream.. sometimes they expanded either side... but when the exact scenes came up in my real world some time later... they proved to be rather pivotal moments.. where my next decision proved to be important.. I think many Deja Vu  moments are times when there are important forks in your path... so it tends to make you step back.. to explore options further... I have found that these deja vu feelings do actually happen at crossroads of your life.. as I still sometime recall myself going back to that moment .. again and again in the future..  they are like notches ... little obstacles in your life that define you... maybe it is that you do go back in time.. maybe it is the other dimensional link of the future you remembering that time..  ;) a catch 22 situation..  or chicken and the egg... was it you in the future remembering this event causing a time line kink ??? or  you linking up to your future you wondering if this Deja vu  experience means anything important...

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Just saw this link... thought I might add this as the ancient Yellow Emperor was really into exploring immortality...  http://www.greendragonsociety.com/taoism/Elixir.htm#Elixers of Immortality  

 

 

Some more on Mercury..  http://mercurypolicy.scripts.mit.edu/blog/?p=367

 

 

Oh.... and this... :)   http://nolimitformind.com/proof-consciousness-creates-reality-welcome-matrix/

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Maybe sound vibration is the key to immortality ???

 

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Sharry Edwards is an innovative pioneer in sound technology and has developed voice-wave software to cure virtually everything known to man!  Imagine using your voice to analyze any medical condition within you?  Imagine learning about a physical condition long before you knew it even existed within you?  According to Sharry, frequencies are medicine of the future and by the time you finish this article, you’ll agree!

Sharry has a condition called an otoacoustic emission where she hears sounds that other people do not.  As a child, Sharry assumed that everyone had this ability but soon realized that her ability was very unique.

Sharry is able to decipher physical imbalances within anyone's voice through the sound waves of any given person. For example, Sharry told one man that he needed to get his thyroid checked out. This particular man said he felt fine, but had an impending physical with his physician, who told him that indeed, he had a heart issue related to his thyroid, which basically saved his life.Sharry is able to decipher physical imbalances within anyone’s voice through the sound waves of any given person.  For example, Sharry told one man that he needed to get his thyroid checked out.  This particular man said he felt fine, but had an impending physical with his physician, who told him that indeed, he had a heart issue related to his thyroid, which basically saved his life.

- See more at: http://www.enlightened-consciousness.com/amazing-woman-proves-sound-can-cure-anything/#sthash.7O6r1NHJ.EzY0oU2x.dpuf 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1021_051021_protein_music.html

 

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Different Songs

One song for a protein may sound different than another for the same protein, depending on how notes are assigned to amino acids' various properties. For example, Clark tends to arrange her compositions based on the protein's solubility.

"Where it's soluble and insoluble is one of the big factors in determining how [the protein] folds up," she said. Solubility influences how proteins fold, and those folds determine what category a certain protein belongs to.

In 1996 Ross King, a computer scientist at the University of Wales, Aberystwyth, wrote a program called Protein Music. It assigns a note to each of the three compounds that make up amino acids and a note to various amino acid properties—charge, solubility, and so on.

 

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