UFO Disclosure impossible under capitalism

[UM-Bot]

David Stein: Individuals and groups that currently seek full truthful disclosure concerning UFOs and Extraterrestrials (ETs) could be viewed to have an unrealistic goal. Full truthful disclosure can only occur if the prevailing capitalism can be replaced by a people-driven economic system.

The current prevailing capitalist economic system is driven by greed and exploitation.

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[John from Lowell]

I enjoyed reading these insights. I agree with some of the conclusions.

There is a spiritual concept called “The First Alignment”. In this model the profit minded interests discover how some things are connected and promote well being for the general population. This creates better enabled buyers for products and services.Its my view capitalism needs to shift focus more than be replaced.

Discovering the greater truth about anything is a personal choice. Fear of self is the main stumbeling block. Many would rather have others think for them. Therefore subjects like ET’s or hidden agenda’s around 911 events are not subjects everyone wants to deal with. Compassion for all of us is necessary to release the grip of fear. Its a slow process like most things in nature. However it allows acceptance which is a love that heals fear.

John

[mktexan]

Being a Soldier, this is where i stopped reading.

Until that time, government released information concerning disclosure, will have no more integrity than the current "War on Terrorism", and other such orchestrated capitalism-inspired crusades and mass-deceptions.

why does an article on government disslosure of UFO's have anythign to do with "the war on terror"? can we not read articles anymore with out politicaly irrelevant materil in it? :angry2: I dont care what the person who wrote the article thinks on anything besides UFO's.

[Archosaur]

Hmmm...a socialist diatribe against capitalism disguised as a UFO article.

Let's see, today's market system has not only produced more goods and services for people than any previous, but it is the only one that does not require the use of force to transfer resources from one human being to another. Early feudal, caste and slave societies used explicit violence, modern communist states undertake collectivism under a rule of law, but it is still the use of force.

As for economic system aliens would use, I don't know, they are aliens. maybe aliens would be psychologically capible of all working for each other's good without reward, but human beings are not.

I expect I will be getting a lot of heat for this.

[uth]

The flaw here is thinking that everything that ills the world is a product of capitalism rather than human nature. We've seen experiments with other types of social-economic systems over the past century that were anything but 'enlightened'.

It is human nature for some people to exploit and manipulate others irregardless of the political/economic system they live under.

IMO the idea that alternatives to fossil fuels are a threat to capitalism is also nonsense. If 'free energies' were doable, there would be ways of making money off them (in harnessing/distribution, for example). Also, dramatically reduced energy bills and increased energy supply would be a boon to the non-energy producing sectors of the economy.

[Lt_Ripley]

The flaw here is thinking that everything that ills the world is a product of capitalism rather than human nature. We've seen experiments with other types of social-economic systems over the past century that were anything but 'enlightened'.

It is human nature for some people to exploit and manipulate others irregardless of the political/economic system they live under.

IMO the idea that alternatives to fossil fuels are a threat to capitalism is also nonsense. If 'free energies' were doable, there would be ways of making money off them (in harnessing/distribution, for example). Also, dramatically reduced energy bills and increased energy supply would be a boon to the non-energy producing sectors of the economy.

maybe you are right. it's human nature to treat each other like crap and to the greedy goes the spoils. so much for peace ever being a reality under that guise. this would also make all religions moot even if they could live up to the treat others as you want to be treated thought.

[cmcavoy]

Disclosureproject.org

Edited May 11, 2007 by cmcavoy

[cmcavoy]

Individuals and groups currently seek full truthful disclosure concerning UFOs and Extraterrestrials (ETs)

A Presidential decree offering blanket amnesty for anyone, or any group who at any time is or has been involved in the coverup of UFO's and it's related scientific discoveries. This extends to any person or entity, or covert program.

Edited May 11, 2007 by cmcavoy

[Unlimited]

It's all for the elite 5% club...just keep reminding yourself...as long as they keep us in the dark with their antiquated technology..they can control the masses..think of king abdullah and his 43 wives next time you fill up....they got us over a barrel and consumer prices are going thru the roof...looks like the NWO elitists are gonna win this battle...it's frightful...they will never tell you about ufo's or aliens; your business is to pay taxes and pay for Iraq!...

[Opinicus]

The French government has started disclosing to the world their heretofore UFO secrets...the last time that I checked their economy is still governed by Capitalist principles. The Mexican government and military has also started to release similar information to the public as well. The last time I checked their economy was governed by Capitalist principles as well. UFO pictures, films and documents have been flooding cyberspace for years and the world economy is nowhere near being "people driven."

It is clear that Mr. Stein doesn't know what he is talking about. If the evil, greedy Capitalists could turn a buck through disclosure of E.T. truths or by exploiting Alien technology...I assure you they would.

(I would also love to read some SPECIFIC information detailing this mystical, magical, Alien power source that the Capitalist are so willing to kill JFK in order to keep it from the masses.)

Fantastic hypotheses and outlandish speculations are all well and good, but every now and again....some actual proof would be a welcome change.

[Sadonis]

This is obviously some communistic insight on the subject. Either communist or just plain socialist.

Where did I get that?

"The current prevailing capitalist economic system is driven by greed and exploitation. Such a milieu of greed and exploitation would seek to either cover-up or to spread manipulative dis-information about things."

If that doesn't sound VERY anti-capitalistic...then tell me what it DOES sound like...please...

Although I agree on SOME points, I would have to disagree on others.

Yes...the US is is Capitalist. However, it isn't CAPITALISM that is causing the Government to People social relations to be diminished...it is Democracy. That's how Democracy is. I'm not against it...I'd rather the government keep to themselves and only do for me what they should be doing. Telling me about UFO cover ups is NOT something they should be doing. It isn't the government's job.

That's like telling me to potty train my nephew when their father or mother could easily do it just the same. It isn't in the job description.

The government can have hobbies...but it needs to keep to itself about them.

And, yes, taxpayer's money goes into this...blah blah blah. I really do doubt they're spending money AT ALL on UFO coverups. We have other problems....

And in other countries with free-trade....I'm sure WE are THEIR problem. Either that or we are trying to make our problem their problem. So...yah.....

Socialist bull-crap.

[Lt_Ripley]

And, yes, taxpayer's money goes into this...blah blah blah. I really do doubt they're spending money AT ALL on UFO coverups. We have other problems....

yeah instead it's spent on a lie of a war in Iraq that capitalism is making a bundle off of.

The inspector general of the U.S. Coalition Provisional Authority estimated that $8.8 billion in public funds had gone missing in Iraq.

The Journal article reports that, since U.S. officials in Iraq "didn't keep extensive records, and often didn't track whether contractors performed the work they were paid to do," there is little chance that private or government lawsuits will recover any stolen or missing money.

"One question facing the government is whether to seek recovery of funds paid to the largest contractor, Halliburton Co.'s KBR unit," the Journal reports. Military auditors have called into question at least $1.4 billion in Halliburton expenses, but the Pentagon paid the money to the company anyway. According to the Journal, suggestions by military auditors that funds be withheld from Halliburton "have been resisted by Pentagon units that awarded the contracts."

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/wsj011706.html

The government can have hobbies...but it needs to keep to itself about them.

that takes the government being for and by the people to a entity of it's own. not accountable , irresponsible and corrupt. like what we have with bushco.

Edited May 15, 2007 by Lt_Ripley

[SeaMare]

I think that any government, capitalist, socialist, communist, what have you, would be very loath to publish irrefutable proof of Alien existence & presence, had they such evidence. IMO, they would be too afraid of the unpredictability of public reaction. Fear, panic? Loss of power & control ? Or possibly a major shift of perception with regards to other nations & people? Nothing brings people toghether like a common threat/enemy...And I doubt that would be in the interest of most governments...

Who would want to start a poxy war somewhere, if the whole of humanity could possibly be zapped out of existence by superior alien technology?

Let's assume for a moment purely hypothetically that the US has covered up UFO evidence since the fifties. I think that if the US knew about them, it's very likely that the USSR did as well; And they haven't gone public either...

[Celumnaz]

capitalism isn't Driven by greed and exploitation, those things abuse it.

the greedy and exploitive abuse socialism as well.

[ships-cat]

Hee hee ... methinks "Saruman" is indulging in a bit of "agent provocatéur" here.

He/She really got you all reacting to the 'story' though.

Before you post, step back and look at what "saruman" (the owner of this board ?) actuallly posted when he/she started this discussion.

Meow Purr