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Rupert Sheldrake - the rise of shamanism



Biologist Rupert Sheldrake speaks out about the topic of shamanism and his personal observations.

   

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Comment icon #9 Posted by Seeker79 on 24 May, 2012, 22:43
It is world wide, not just western and did not just evolve out of the west. Jesus and Buddha can verify that. Evil can be gauged by the wealth gaps between the elite, the middle class, and the poor. The larger the wealth gaps the greater the evil and more greatly those who rule are detached from the rest of the group. I think it's much more than a socio economic issue. I believe in freedoms even free enterprise. My degree is in economics. If economic theory is applied properly ( and it never is), it should be our best approach as a whole. Takeing away freedom for more freedom is not the answer... [More]
Comment icon #10 Posted by Seeker79 on 24 May, 2012, 22:53
I have said this time and time again. All types of religion have existed at all times and still exist today. There is no reason to believe this was the first type or the root of anything. He is a reductionist and their arguments do not hold up in the study of religion. This is pure speculation and nothing to support his claim, though it is interesting to think about. I think there is plenty of reason to at least see the parallels. Really religions are just very successful tribal beliefs. Their members were better marketers. Every tribe or group has their own little methos. As he explained. At ... [More]
Comment icon #11 Posted by markdohle on 24 May, 2012, 23:20
I have brought this up many times, when people consider spiritual beliefs as illogical, or wishful thinking. Or when the religouse reject their shamanic roots. Any thoughts I agree with this my friend. I wrote on this subject if you are intererested here is the page: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/column.php?id=209957
Comment icon #12 Posted by HuttonEtAl on 24 May, 2012, 23:42
Since ultimately we all have tribal roots, I think it would be very nievee to say that religions do not begin with forms of shamanism. I do not agree. You may think it nievee but I would suggest actually looking into the study of religion and you will see where that idea falls on its face. E. B. Tylor and J. G. Frazer made claims almost exactly like this and were quickly disproven. Tyler did define what study anthropology is but this was a very primitive view that has been greatly expanded upon. Their arguments fall apart because they are fundamental reductionists. Look up reductionism and loo... [More]
Comment icon #13 Posted by Seeker79 on 25 May, 2012, 0:21
I do not agree. You may think it nievee but I would suggest actually looking into the study of religion and you will see where that idea falls on its face. E. B. Tylor and J. G. Frazer made claims almost exactly like this and were quickly disproven. Tyler did define what study anthropology is but this was a very primitive view that has been greatly expanded upon. Their arguments fall apart because they are fundamental reductionists. Look up reductionism and look at the study of religion. Let me know if you need sources. Well ok then Ill look into it. If you have sources handy go ahead and shoo... [More]
Comment icon #14 Posted by HuttonEtAl on 25 May, 2012, 0:49
Well ok then Ill look into it. If you have sources handy go ahead and shoot them over otherwise I can dig it up. thanks. I do not have pdfs for websites but the books I would recomend are Eight Theories of Religion and Introducing Religion both by Daniel L. Pals. After I move (June 1st) I may even be able to scan the pages but I would recomend simply buying the books if you are that interested in it. You could also try searching for E. B. Tylor and J. G. Frazer. You can probably find a lot about reductionism just by googling it. Basically what it is is trying to find an answer by bringing it t... [More]
Comment icon #15 Posted by Seeker79 on 25 May, 2012, 1:23
I do not have pdfs for websites but the books I would recomend are Eight Theories of Religion and Introducing Religion both by Daniel L. Pals. After I move (June 1st) I may even be able to scan the pages but I would recomend simply buying the books if you are that interested in it. You could also try searching for E. B. Tylor and J. G. Frazer. You can probably find a lot about reductionism just by googling it. Basically what it is is trying to find an answer by bringing it to a single specific point. For example people have tried to find the origin of religion by reducing it down to society, e... [More]
Comment icon #16 Posted by HuttonEtAl on 25 May, 2012, 1:34
Cool thanks I'll probably go ahead and buy the books. They seem like good additions to my library. I'm not a big fan of reductionism either, but its useful to a degree but is incapable of anslyzing transcendent effects. Ill see what they have to say about where religions come from... But it will be a hard sell, but I'm open to it if the logic and evidence is sound. I'll let you know. Well spoiler alert...the conclusion is we do not know, still today. We also do not have a universally accepted definition of religion. What the books did was offer many different views and helped me understand peo... [More]
Comment icon #17 Posted by eight bits on 25 May, 2012, 9:24
That's an unsatisfactory place to leave the point. Yes, of course, the origins of religion are controversial because religion evidently emerged before writing. The affirmative case for early shamanism is that its core feature, direct spiritual experience, explains an enormous amount of religion with very few additional assumptions, and needs no specific level of material wealth or culture. That people have direct experience is a well documented ground fact. It is easier to explain beliefs about an afterlife, for example, founded on the experience of "talking" with survivors (as people report h... [More]
Comment icon #18 Posted by Seeker79 on 25 May, 2012, 18:03
That's an unsatisfactory place to leave the point. Yes, of course, the origins of religion are controversial because religion evidently emerged before writing. The affirmative case for early shamanism is that its core feature, direct spiritual experience, explains an enormous amount of religion with very few additional assumptions, and needs no specific level of material wealth or culture. That people have direct experience is a well documented ground fact. It is easier to explain beliefs about an afterlife, for example, founded on the experience of "talking" with survivors (as people report h... [More]


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