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Rupert Sheldrake - the rise of shamanism
Biologist Rupert Sheldrake speaks out about the topic of shamanism and his personal observations.
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#9 Posted by
on 24 May, 2012, 22:43
I think it's much more than a socio economic issue. I believe in freedoms even free enterprise. My degree is in economics. If economic theory is applied properly ( and it never is), it should be our best approach as a whole. Takeing away freedom for more freedom is not the answer... It never works. The real problem is the meams themselves on the individual level. We are perfectly capable of living in a grass hut, but no... We all want the 3,000 sqft house. We all want the steak. Whos ready to eat a stew out of mice? Conciousness cannot be forced or labeled it has to grow from the individ...
#10 Posted by
on 24 May, 2012, 22:53
I think there is plenty of reason to at least see the parallels. Really religions are just very successful tribal beliefs. Their members were better marketers. Every tribe or group has their own little methos. As he explained. At the basis of all the major religions there seems to be a person or persons who describes very clearly the same things that shamans do. To those who do not know what shaman experience, it might seem as if they are makeing things up to describe natural phenomenon.. And certainly to a degree this is true. But shaman have real visionary experiences that are identical in...
#11 Posted by
on 24 May, 2012, 23:20
I agree with this my friend. I wrote on this subject if you are intererested here is the page:
#12 Posted by
on 24 May, 2012, 23:42
I do not agree. You may think it nievee but I would suggest actually looking into the study of religion and you will see where that idea falls on its face. E. B. Tylor and J. G. Frazer made claims almost exactly like this and were quickly disproven. Tyler did define what study anthropology is but this was a very primitive view that has been greatly expanded upon. Their arguments fall apart because they are fundamental reductionists. Look up reductionism and look at the study of religion. Let me know if you need sources.
#13 Posted by
on 25 May, 2012, 0:21
Well ok then Ill look into it. If you have sources handy go ahead and shoot them over otherwise I can dig it up. thanks.
#14 Posted by
on 25 May, 2012, 0:49
I do not have pdfs for websites but the books I would recomend are Eight Theories of Religion and Introducing Religion both by Daniel L. Pals. After I move (June 1st) I may even be able to scan the pages but I would recomend simply buying the books if you are that interested in it. You could also try searching for E. B. Tylor and J. G. Frazer. You can probably find a lot about reductionism just by googling it. Basically what it is is trying to find an answer by bringing it to a single specific point. For example people have tried to find the origin of religion by reducing it down to society,...
#15 Posted by
on 25 May, 2012, 1:23
Cool thanks I'll probably go ahead and buy the books. They seem like good additions to my library. I'm not a big fan of reductionism either, but its useful to a degree but is incapable of anslyzing transcendent effects. Ill see what they have to say about where religions come from... But it will be a hard sell, but I'm open to it if the logic and evidence is sound. I'll let you know.
#16 Posted by
on 25 May, 2012, 1:34
Well spoiler alert...the conclusion is we do not know, still today. We also do not have a universally accepted definition of religion. What the books did was offer many different views and helped me understand people's beliefs better. They start with the earlier theories of religion and then progress to the newer ones. You will see that right off the bat you do not agree with many of them. But the ones you do agree with will lead you to new things. For me, it led me towards anthropology.
#17 Posted by
on 25 May, 2012, 9:24
That's an unsatisfactory place to leave the point. Yes, of course, the origins of religion are controversial because religion evidently emerged before writing. The affirmative case for early shamanism is that its core feature, direct spiritual experience, explains an enormous amount of religion with very few additional assumptions, and needs no specific level of material wealth or culture. That people have direct experience is a well documented ground fact. It is easier to explain beliefs about an afterlife, for example, founded on the experience of "talking" with survivors (as p...
#18 Posted by
on 25 May, 2012, 18:03
I agree.. Totally actually. The simple fact that we have very similar visions today that are written about from religious figureheads speaks volumes. What really brought it home to me one day was I happen to catch a Christian movie about.... Jhon I think. ( correct me if im wrong) The writer of revelations. I'm watching these sequences where he is having his visionary experiences, and I can totally relate.
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