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The pattern behind self-deception
Skeptics Society founder Michael Shermer discusses the human tendency to believe strange things.
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#12 Posted by
on 22 January, 2012, 9:41
As far as this ''rustling in the grass'' is concerned, yes, assuming it is a predator will possibly save your life. But that is purely what it is. An assumption, Not a belief. That is how we survive. We dont have to believe something, but sometimes it is wise to assume. That way you live to fight another day. IMO an assumption is not a belief, I agree with Eight Bits that a third option comes into the equation when we are talking survival.. It might be food. I think using the word belief is a bit strong, or maybe he just used the wrong analogy. IMO, belief is what happens w...
#13 Posted by
on 22 January, 2012, 10:04
I don't fully agree, because many ppl believe in God, for example. Without actually discovering/ seeing God. The assumptions of false negatives turns into a pattern. The pattern of self-deception. He's trying to link to our beliefsystem and i do find value in what he says. It's worth thinking about. There are also ppl who trully believe in friday the 13th, without anything bad happening to them. And BECAUSE nothing bad happens to them on friday the 13th they start believing that whatever they did or didn't to contributed to their safety on that day. This is a belief-system ...
#14 Posted by
on 22 January, 2012, 12:53
Leo That's a nice thought, but since I was unable to answer your question as asked, I didn't, and declined to guess what you would choose to ask instead. That's the second time you've dropped the D-word on me. To dismiss is to refrain from discussion without making a finding. I have done neither. I haven't mentioned his personality in connection with his hypothesis except in reply to something you brought up, your "Shermer is not making a value judgement based on his hypothesis." I write American English, Leo. Among the meanings of to pretend here is &...
#15 Posted by
on 23 January, 2012, 7:01
Just wanted to comment quickly on this part, I didn't watch the video or read the whole topic--So take it for what it's worth. I don't have time to do it real just with a depthy post on the brain anyway---Happy says you? It seems to me Eb, you are making an assumption here that the basis for a belief arising over a short temporal span and a long one must arise from. I know you are quite schooled in learning, at least machine learning, so why then would you expect that "short term" beliefs cannot be coded, codified and reinforced by dopaminergic systems like any oth...
#16 Posted by
on 23 January, 2012, 7:40
It's natural human tendancies to believe strange things!!!!!!!..........it's the degree of "strange".........that is more the issue
#17 Posted by
on 23 January, 2012, 7:52
I know, I know.
#18 Posted by
on 23 January, 2012, 9:03
Are you saying you understood[s] Sheldon's[/s] er, Copasetic's dissertation there Habitat? Do tell.
#19 Posted by
on 23 January, 2012, 9:07
I hope someone understands it. Even if he's the only one ! To me it was jargon on steroids.
#20 Posted by
on 23 January, 2012, 10:12
Copa I don't claim to be "schooled" in anything on the 'netz. I think I may have at one time or another mentioned here that I graduated from high school. Whatever I argue must stand or fall on its own merits. Which is just how things are in real-life engineering, or so I'm told. But fair enough, things like ROC and comprehensive modeling of belief are sometimes discussed under the rubric of "machine learning." However, as is typical of engineering, they rest on a foundation of mathematics, which includes models of learning which are platform independent. ...
#21 Posted by
on 24 January, 2012, 18:21
In general, I like most of Shermer's works. He gets a bit more skeptical (cynical?) and ornery as he ages I guess. Here are a couple of very well written and insightful articles of his from several years ago...I like to post them in the middle of alternative history and paranormal discussions...just to keep people balanced...well....to try anyway...check them out. http://www.skeptically.org/logicalthreads/id15.html http://www.skeptically.org/logicalthreads/id2.html
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