A man awake

I was wondering, maybe, what if your guide is a mother or wife from your past life. It's amazing what you can do. I still have yet to even prefect meditating, lol

I talked go this wondering man that I interact with ocasionslly. I think he is homeless. I told him about this journy. He said that I was stoped because what happened in japan was the sea taking back all that japan takes in a very unbalanced way. He said that japan takes a tremendouse amount from the sea without giving back. Thus has been known since the earth was made, and it has been set up that the sea would ocasionally take back lives and farm nutrients that the Japanese steal from the ocean. I don't know and I feel for the families, but it now sounds like karma.

(I apologize now for a long-winded response)

Funny that; the mother knows best in conjunction with massaging your ear.

"Listen to what you're being told" more or less.

Wonder why you weren't supposed to go there. Positive intentions are always forgivable judgment calls; but you really didn't get the chance or the explanation for 'why not?'.

I'd say if you 'felt' like you'd been asleep, then you likely were.

Thus it was more a dream journey.

Which now makes me wonder : How significant a difference is there between astral & ethereal bodies after all? To be of spiritual assistance in this world, you need to travel ethereally; as ethereality supposedly has some ability to cross the boundaries and interact with the senses at a primal level (cold chills, images/visions, intuitive suggestions, etc...i.e., how many mediums & channels are able to receive messages from 'spirits' and whatnot; though it's tricky, since the right state of presence can also open up to astral receptivity).

Astral travel does not incorporate materiality except as a concept for providing structure; what you're seeing is only there as a model of thought for your reference; like a map (whereas, ethereally, it is actually there giving off subtle energy). Astrally, it would be like pure sentience; energy of thought without material strictures. The only way to assist others astrally would be if they are also 'mentally aware'; in an open state or traveling themselves. They wouldn't be able to 'see' or 'feel' you at all; only be aware of you as a presence (and even then only if they were in a receptive state of mind; meditation of some form or astral themselves; they wouldn't been aware of your presence at a sensory level without first being cognizant of you).

This makes astral travel superior in a way, since the only physical disparity/obstacle would be that of your own physiological make-up and state of awareness; whereas ethereally, the subtle energy of other life-forms and objects could be an obstruction in and of themselves (which might reflect why sometimes attempting to reach out to others in that form results in a lash-back or recoil effect or why some barriers cannot be pushed through and must be passed around, under, over).

(all according to the implied differences; from my understanding of them in any case)

A like to equate them as functions of the two minds. Pure thought is more in line with conscious intent; making astral a more conscious effort. Ethereal is a 'heavier body', 'thick'; more like swimming than flying (but only comparatively). It's more subconscious; everyone 'knows' ether by dreaming. Not everyone knows astral.

Problem is determining the boundary lines between the two (though I often see a blue tint over things when I think back on many dreams where I seemed to have been traveling real spaces; something I often see brought up in forums concerning ethereal concepts, though I have to wonder if that's mass-suggestion sometimes.)

Yes Robert Bruce has sugested that we have several different kind of spirit bodies. No experience with if though.

I know I wasn't dreaming because I initiated everything and had the exit symptoms, but I beleive I fell asleep for the first time while actually traveling. Or rather I may have been put to sleep.

I like your analogy of detecting subtle energies and forming a map. I agree with this view. We are inturpreting things in a context that we can understand, when the reality is probably much different. That does not mean the meaning has to be differant though.

lol honey moon...kiss... almost like a wet dream...

You seems lost your consciousness in that dream.

Maybe it's not just you but I also notice that in AP, there are less, even rare people than usual. Maybe there are spirits too, not real people.

Yeah well it's hard to tell... At that very time.... I found out latter that wikiki was abandoned because risk of tsunami.... No one was there.. Wet dream or no... Pretty odd. Good lord I think a wet lucid dream would be a blessing..... Sex with no guilt.... I dont think even a conservative woman... Would think that was a problem...,... Well maby a realy realy realy conservative roman.