Opening statement: Dr. 58, do you attend the Hassas Grid?
Question: How are you today, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?
Question: No particular reason. It is custom in my world to ask about the welfare of others as a friendly way of greeting someone. Do you not have a similar tradition?
ANSWER: I AM NEVER SURE WHAT YOU MEAN.
Question: It’s not important. Dr. 58, I want to continue our discussion now of the symbology of our alphabet and how we form the meaning behind the words we use. Is that alright?
ANSWER: I WILL LISTEN TO YOUR BABBLE.
Question: Fair enough! But I will put the babble aside for a moment so that I can be as upfront and least mysterious as possible with you. Dr. 58, you informed me that you were in contact with a Minnesota entity by the name of Gefraim, correct?
Question: And Gefraim assisted you with the construction of a staff personalized to your unique energy and your use, correct?
Question: And I have also been in contact with Gefraim of the Staff Guild, and I consider him an individual of kindness and positive character. Would you agree?
Question: And Dr. 58, you and I have also had contact with an entity I consider noxious and dangerous, and I have come to refer to him as the Man Thing Entity. Do you know of the entity of which I speak?
Question: Dr. 58, the Man Thing Entity has worked great mischief upon our mutual friend, Gefraim. Indeed, the Man Thing Entity has accosted Gefraim and now holds him prisoner, immobilized in a vat of lard. What do you think of that?
ANSWER: I THINK IT IS DANGEROUS TO MEDDLE IN THE AFFAIRS OF MINNESOTA ENTITIES.
Question: I do as well, and normally, it is my policy to never interfere with the affairs of such entities that do not populate my own realm of existence. Like you, Dr. 58, I consider this dangerous. However, a great imbalance has been created by the Man Thing Entity, and this imbalance has encroached upon what I consider the legitimate sphere of my realm. Do you follow me, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: NOT ENTIRELY.
Question: Well, suffice it to say that I feel it is within my legitimate purview to take action against the Man Thing Entity, and in doing so, it will restore balance and bring no harm to me or to you, Dr. 58. However, it will have the additional effect of setting free our mutual friend, Gefraim. I intend nothing more than this – the freedom of Gefraim and the ceasing of the interference of the Man Thing Entity with our communications. Certainly, Dr. 58, you do not want the Man Thing Entity to continue to monitor your communications across the Hassas Grid, right?
ANSWER: I AM PROTECTED BY THE VERDANTIC MYSTERIES.
Question: Perhaps, perhaps not. Your understanding of the Verdantic Mysteries is not complete, as you must admit.
ANSWER: MY UNDERSTANDING IS SUFFICIENT.
Question: Yes. Well, let me perhaps explain something which I have reasoned out with simple analytical deduction. Please bear with me. What you should consider, Dr. 58, is that while you enjoy the protection of the Verdantic Mysteries as afforded to you through Codicle 13 of that body, the Verdantic Mysteries has also facilitated a direct connection between myself and you.
Through the knowledge you gained from the Mysteries, you constructed the Hassas Grid. Through some force as generate by the engine of the Verdantic Mysteries, a direct line of communication has been established between our instruments – the 3-dimensional Hassas Grid on your end and my flat, 2-dimensional Ouija Board on my end. So although the Verdantic Mysteries is providing a barrier to you from perceived threats, it has also opened a direct channel between you and I – a channel which is a two-way street, correct?
ANSWER: YES, BUT I DON’T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING OF WHICH YOU SPEAK.
Question: Well, what I am saying is that the Verdantic Mysteries does provide a barrier of protection for you, it also allows and opening between us for the free flow of information. Correct?
Question: Yes, that’s right. Here in my Minnesota, we have other means of communicating remotely with others in a give and take way, such as through the use of telephones. Do you have telephones in your world, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: WE HAVE MEANS OF REMOTE COMMUNICATIONS.
(Note, immediately I am tempted to side-track on discussing this more, but decide to let it go in favor of moving on with my agenda. Something tells me I have already discussed telephones with Dr. 58, but I'm too lazy right now to go review my transcripts).
Question: Sometimes a third party can interfere with the two-way communication between two people. In earlier years, most of our telephone connections were called “party lines,” meaning that a third party could listen in on the conversation of two other people, even though they wished to have a private conversation. Do you have that situation in your communication techniques, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: I’M NO EXPERT. IT’S NOT A CONCERN.
Question: It’s a concern here because in our society we highly value private communications between individuals, without having to worry about unwanted interference with those communications we consider to be proprietary between two discrete individuals. Do you understand?
Question: Well, Dr. 58, what if you had a secret to tell a friend of yours and you didn’t want anyone else to know about it. Would you not want to ensure that your communications would be secure from the ears of others?
ANSWER: YOUR WAYS ARE NOT OUT WAYS. YOU LIVE IN A BIZARRE WORLD.
Question: I suppose. But you keep secrets, do you not? For example, isn’t your use of the Hassas Grid illegal?
Question: So what if you wanted to tell a friend about what you are doing in secret?
ANSWER: I WOULD TELL THEM.
Qurestion: But you would want that information to be secure, wouldn’t you? What if a government agent overheard of your dabblings with the Verdantic Mysteries, a blatant violation of laws circumscribing dealings with Minnesota energies?
ANSWER: YOU MAKE SOMETHING SIMPLE COMPLEX FOR NO SANE REASON.
Question: Forget it. However, does it not bother you that the two way communication between my Ouija device and your Hassas Grid is not secure? We are being tapped by the Man Thing Entity.
ANSWER: TAPPED? I AM PROTECTED BY CODICILE 13.
Questions: (Groans in frustration). Let me just push ahead here. The facts are this: The two-way communications between you and I has been triangulated. A third party from a location that is not my location and not your location is listening in on our conversation. Furthermore, the Man Thing Entity is vitally interested in you, Dr. 58. In fact, the Man Thing Entity is attempting to black mail me into convincing you to travel to Minnesota. What do you say to that?
ANSWER: I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT IT. I CANNOT BE FORCED TO TRAVEL TO MINNESOTA.
Question: Yes, that’s what’s so strange. But perhaps you can be enticed. What do you say?
ANSWER: I SAY NOTHING.
Question: Whatever. Dr. 58, this concept of the triangulation of our communication is something which I believe I can use to my advantage to further my goal of freeing our mutual friend Gefraim. As far as you are concerned, I am only making our two-way communications more secure. This should increase your confidence that potentially dangerous and meddling parties, such as the Man Thing Entity – which has great interest in you – will not impinge on your own independence, nor affect you in any way. Can you agree with me on this?
ANSWER: YOU DABBLE LIKE A NAZI.
Question: I assure you, I am not a Nazi. In any event, the Nazis of the Minnesota in your universe are not of the same variety of the Nazi we once had in abundance in our universe. However, the success of my mission requires you to do one thing. Are you willing to at least listen to my suggestion?
ANSWER: AGAIN, THE MYSTERIES CHIME. YOU DALLY WITH AN OP.
(Note: Dr. 58 first mentions “the OP” here )
Question: Yes, I dally with an OP, but this OP is not directed at you, but at the Man Thing Entity. At any rate, it will not hurt for you to listen to me just now. I have something simple to tell you. I tell you only this: The next time you encounter Old Cave on the streets of your New York City, by chance you might ask him about the symbol of iron. That’s it. Will you consider it?
ANSWER: OLD CAVE. THE SYMBOL OF IRON.
Question: Yes. All you have to do is ask him about the symbol of iron. Will you do that?
ANSWER: WHAT IS THE SYMBOL OF IRON?
Question: Remember our conversation about the alphabet and what you call the symbolic glyphs which are arranged within your Hassas Grid?
Well, the symbol of iron is a glyph, and nothing more. Do you understand?
ANSWER: THE SYMBOL OF IRON IS A GLYPH. IT IMPARTS MEANING.
Question: Yes! Symbolic meaning. It itself, it is nothing. It can only have the energy that you give to it, or leverage from it. You maintain supreme control over this glyph in the same way that you leverage the glyphs which populate your Hassas Grid right now. What do you think?
ANSWER: AS YOU SAY. YOU SPEAK LIKE OLD CAVE.
Question: Am I more like a Nazi or like Old Cave?
ANSWER: YOU ARE BOTH. YOU ARE OF MINNESOTA.
Question: I’ll take that as a compliment. You know what, Dr. 58 – I now withdraw my request that you ask Old Cave about the symbol of iron. I’ve changed my mind. I can tell you are uncomfortable with this, and the last thing I want to do is make you uncomfortable. Let this be of no further concern to you. Okay?
ANSWER: YES. THE MYSTERIES CHIME THE OP AGAIN, HOWEVER.
Question: If I work an OP, it does not concern you. I will let it rest there. I am not trying to convince you of anything, even my own innocence, or lack thereof. The bottom line, Dr. 58, is that I hope we can continue to communicate in a friendly way. I continue to be curious about the make-up of your world. I have many more questions, but I tire now and must rest. Can we speak again at another time?
Question: Thank you. Good-bye for now.