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God is an idea and exist in the minds of those who believe. Objectively no one will know either way. Both theist and atheist speak from a position of ignorance. Agnostic and indifferent agnostic are probably the best or better position than either extreme. The extreme of belief or disbelief.

My take, people have varying brain lateralization emphases and biases, some are strong with logic and others more attuned to the "uncanny", that which is non-logical.

 

11 minutes ago, Habitat said:

My take, people have varying brain lateralization emphases and biases, some are strong with logic and others more attuned to the "uncanny", that which is non-logical.

 

Self glorification doesn't suit you. 

This was a nice read and exploration of how Nagel saw atheism and why he held to it. Shame we lack more thinkers such as he was. He seems more of a humble man who knew his own mind and why he thought as he did and could articulate it. The mark of intelligence, being able to do that.

Modernists just sling insults around and claim the high road.

Just think of Spock, in Star Trek. you get the picture of extreme attunement to logic.

I was pretty sad when I became an atheist. I made a thread about it even at the time lol. If it was up to me I would prefer a god and afterlife exsist.

Edited September 24, 2018 by spartan max2

I find it funny how Christians want their religion to be true and hope for the end of the world so a dictator Jesus can rule the world.

I am not an Atheist myself but I would much rather hang out with an Atheist then a Christian. Most Christians are the biggest hypocrites you will ever meet.

Some atheists are atheists cause they like the idea of oblivion. Lets say they had a tough life, eternal oblivion is their peace. Everyone really when you think about is a atheist. Do you believe in EVERY God? im guessing not, hence you are an atheist to said God. 

Is god an atheist or nihilist? 

4 hours ago, Truthseeker007 said:

I find it funny how Christians want their religion to be true and hope for the end of the world so a dictator Jesus can rule the world.

I am not an Atheist myself but I would much rather hang out with an Atheist then a Christian. Most Christians are the biggest hypocrites you will ever meet.

'scuse me, but that's not what Christians want. (I'm speaking about Catholic and Orthodox Christians whom I personally know.)

Firstly, because we (for the simplicity, I'll count myself with them, though I'm a bit too agnostic for a Christian) know from the New Testament that no one knows when the end will happen, so it's kind of futile to expect it. 

Secondly, Jesus would be no dictator, simply because God created people with free will. So if there's any attempted dictating around and taking our free will away, it can only come from the devil. 

 

I do agree with some Christians being massive hypocrites. Especially those whose profession is religion. It's almost like priesthood attracts atheists.    

But according to my own experience, it's not most Christians. And there are literal saints among the clergy too, and it's of course very easy to spot who's opportunistic blasphemer and who's true Christian - which is the same as simply a person trying to be good. As much as this world allows it, of course. 

4 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Is god an atheist or nihilist? 

To me personally, it sounds logical that the higher power understands the concept of god, that makes it easier for people to think about the higher power. It must - logically again - understand the variations in that concept and the reasons why there are differences, atheism included. (I consider atheism equally religious as any other religion, since it's another belief, the difference is that it is among the most depressive ones.)   

In short, I don't think it's really necessary to have sport-like matches between team theist and atheist and whatnot. Exchange of opinions can only make us all think more and broader, in my own opinion.  

I don't like the idea of some holy dictator who enjoys the suffering of its creation. 

4 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I don't like the idea of some holy dictator who enjoys the suffering of its creation. 

No one sane would like such idea. It's utterly repulsive. And it comes from people who have serious mental issues. Talk to sane people who have faith (and express it through any given religion or without one) and you'll see there's no holy dictator, there's the source from which we come and we are a part of it. 

Now, why this planet, this life, can be so unspeakably cruel, that is a question that bothers me too. My working theory is the one that says there's no development without challenge.   

There is no god. Absolutely everything is in our hands. Nothing more, nothing less. 

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

There is no god. Absolutely everything is in our hands. Nothing more, nothing less. 

I'm not so sure myself if I can personally know how the Existence that includes this Universe works. 

When trying just to imagine how huge it all is, how much there is that we cannot even perceive from this mortal coil... who can say what there is? 

 

Of course, I can't and certainly won't tell you what you should believe, but my own logic tells me there's so much more to the mystery of existence we don't even have the vocabulary to start talking about it, let alone explain it. 

That's why I gladly let the questions aside and embrace the emotion. I love being loved and I love to love. There's defensive beast in each of us but I feel that's not our deepest nature. 

There really is nothing more to this existence. We live, we die. What's in between is filler and guess work. Humanity will die out without ever knowing why we exist. So we fill in the blanks. Trying to find some meaning in a meaningless universe. Just to have some sense of importance. No one is as important as they think themselves to be. 

55 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

There really is nothing more to this existence. We live, we die. What's in between is filler and guess work. Humanity will die out without ever knowing why we exist. So we fill in the blanks. Trying to find some meaning in a meaningless universe. Just to have some sense of importance. No one is as important as they think themselves to be. 

Too illogical for my taste.

Honestly told experiences of non-dogmatic people prove everything's connected and there are no coincidences. 

Everyone's day consists of synchronicities, if only you want to notice them.  

To me personally, it indicates sense, which indicates meaning. Not to mention again it would be completely illogical to set the Universe in motion, light the sparks of life and house the consciousness in bodies such as ours for no particular reason at all. 

Higher power can't be illogical, not even from our point of view, since the Universe is not such and can't be sadistic since the creation requires positive effort. (Ever saw someone stupid and mean, throwing sadistic or senseless tantrum which results in building a house? Certainly not. Constructiveness cannot exist without intelligence, sense and positive intention.)

 

Well, that's it from me for this thread.

In honest hope I didn't bore you too much, and in even more honest hope you will notice your own, personal signs of order in chaos,  

your fellow traveler.  

As a Christian I hoped the evidence supported the Bible and God, it didn't.

I want Atheism to be true like I want the Earth to be spherical.

I hope there's no God because I do not want to account for my sins, and I'm also mad at him for not granting my birthday wishes.

^What Theists think Atheism is.

It's not a matter of hope, and, or rebellion. Just show me reasonable, and logical evidence. Do not give me fallacious wishful thinking calling it irrefutable proof. 

Theism is what I experience practically everday so I push back. No hope, or rebellion, but countering ancient sickness. 

On 9/23/2018 at 7:47 PM, XenoFish said:

God is an idea and exist in the minds of those who believe. Objectively no one will know either way. Both theist and atheist speak from a position of ignorance. Agnostic and indifferent agnostic are probably the best or better position than either extreme. The extreme of belief or disbelief.

So you should be agnostic on wether life is meaningful, or meaningless? 

Siding with life is meaningless is an extreme that looks ignorant. 

5 minutes ago, Hello Davros Kitty said:

Just show me reasonable, and logical evidence.

If there was something to be shown, to all and sundry, that would be the biggest news ever. But what affect would that have on the psyche of the masses ? The world would simply never be the same again. I can't imagine what the overall consequences would be. Accept that if it is there, it is playing a game of hide-and-seek like no other in history. Don't assume it isn't there. There may well be a hell for those who do !

29 minutes ago, Hello Davros Kitty said:

So you should be agnostic on wether life is meaningful, or meaningless? 

Siding with life is meaningless is an extreme that looks ignorant. 

Life is absurd in its meaninglessness. 

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Life is absurd in its meaninglessness. 

How do you know life is meaningless? 

11 minutes ago, Hello Davros Kitty said:

How do you know life is meaningless? 

Can you show me the real meaning of it? Or will you offer one of many constructed meanings? 

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Can you show me the real meaning of it? Or will you offer one of many constructed meanings? 

I asked you first.

I'm being agnostic on wether life is meaningless, or not while giving my own purpose.