Jump to content
Join the Unexplained Mysteries community today! It's free and setting up an account only takes a moment.
- Sign In or Create Account -

Stars

  • entries
    6
  • comments
    101
  • views
    3,358

The human condition.

LightAngel

1,761 views

Through our lifetime, we experience things that sculpt who we are and then in turn also sculpt how we process those same experiences. In that sense, there is a never-ending on-going feedback loop between who we are and what the world is. Through this process, we acquire an image of what the world is with us in it – and ourselves in the world and its impact on us – and these two processes, while similar, are very distinct but still inextricable.

In order for one to learn about oneself, truly learn about oneself – oneself needs to separate one’s own mind from the world and engage with one’s mind cognitively and emotionally. At the same time – to learn about the world, one needs to entirely forget about oneself and merge with the world, cognitively and emotionally.

I believe that the key to a stable, happy and healthy mind is to find that boundary between – me and the world. This is no physical boundary, as it is a boundary in the mind, and therefore not limited by the body, or a suit of armor or any such thing. It is a boundary that defines one’s own beliefs, values, feelings, opinions as integral and untouchable and, which I find essential, outside of reach, by the world. It’s sort of like being a visitor in your own body, recognizing it as a vessel, a means of experiencing this world but not being defined by it.

If I was to use an analogy – it would be like – I need my eyes to see the clouds in the sky. But my body is so much more than just my eyes – and the world is so much more than clouds in the sky. Through this analogy – I am much more than this human body allows me to experience – and – the “world” is so much more than this human body allows me to observe.

 

This brings me to the subject of science. Where religion and philosophy have lost their foothold in explaining and even preaching about what the world is, what we are, what I am – there science has taken their place.

Back in the day – it used to be – if it’s not in the Bible – it doesn’t exist. These days it’s – if it hasn’t been proven by science – it doesn’t exist.

 

Another interesting point to be made here is when it comes to things that clearly do “exist” as they are observable by the human mind through its vessel – the human body. Religions, philosophies and science, all of which I clump together here deliberately – have their say in what a particular thing is and is not.

It’s a rock, it’s limestone, it’s calcium carbonate.

All of these strategies of “explaining” what something is or is not have one single purpose – and that is to provide the “meaning” of the thing being (or not being) observed.

This meaning then directly feeds back to what I’ve spoken about in the beginning – to what “I” am and what the “world” is. The meaning is what relates the “I” with the “world”. However, both the “I” and the “world” are limited experiences, human ones, and the virtue by which their relation has been construed is also limited as it came from either the “I” or the world or their interaction.

In the end – what is sufficient – is just the awareness that our sense of who we are and what the world is – is an illusion – both to ourselves and the world. Just to know that there is more to “everything” than you will ever know while you’re here. And then – you’ll still go in the kitchen and make some eggs and bacon without contemplating about what the egg is and who you are etc. Things don’t need to be that complicated. But just being aware, being conscious of the limitations of human experience, is enough.

 

An analogy here is that brushing your teeth in Denmark and brushing your teeth in Japan will still remain “brushing your teeth” – but the awareness that your body is in a different place is important.

Now imagine being aware that while your eyes are reading these words and constructing a meaning out of them – who you are and what these words are and what the meaning is – is so much more than you’ll ever be able to comprehend.

 

And science will not bring you any closer to the truth, nor religion nor philosophy.

 

This brings me to the point of how we interact with each other. If you’ve understood what I’ve said thus far – you will also understand that there is no-one that is more “right” than the other person. There is no one that is more “wrong”.

Someone might then say – “yes, but what I say is documented by science and what Joe says is just an experience that cannot be scientifically proven”. Nope.

What you’re saying is that “you” derive meaning of things through what science can prove and that is important to you. Joe derives his meaning by other means. But in the end – both you, and Joe and what both of you say – is limited – and both of you a part of a greater whole that you don’t understand – which makes you both – equal.

 

With this realization – how could we all ever do anything else but respect each other for what we are?

 

How could we ever fight about anything? How could we ever feel anything else for each other but love?

 

But I also know that when someone is determined to believe in something – they will find proof of it in everything they see. And by arguing about what is and what is not – nobody’s opinion will really be changed – quite the opposite – everyone’s respective opinion will in fact be strengthened and we will be that much further apart.

But that is also part of the love that I speak of – to understand that there are others who walk a different path than we do. And if we are limited in making sense of our own human experience – who are we to make sense of others’ experiences?

 



19 Comments


Recommended Comments

"This brings me to the subject of science. Where religion and philosophy have lost their foothold in explaining and even preaching about what the world is, what we are, what I am – there science has taken their place.

Back in the day – it used to be – if it’s not in the Bible – it doesn’t exist. These days it’s – if it hasn’t been proven by science – it doesn’t exist."

Yes, both are fundamentalist viewpoints, and in most things in life, the extremes are rarely ideal. Although someone once said, "you can't be too thin, or too rich ". I have only met the former, though. :D

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment
10 hours ago, Habitat said:

Yes, both are fundamentalist viewpoints, and in most things in life, the extremes are rarely ideal. Although someone once said, "you can't be too thin, or too rich ". I have only met the former, though. :D

 

And this is exactly my point - that both are fundamentalist viewpoints. :)

Another interesting thing to mention is the need for a functional solution.

When new needs for functional solutions arise, new paradigm shifts occur. Philosophy is one, religion is another and science is yet another.
But it is not the end-point and the final answer, it is just one more paradigm shift in a long line of paradigm shifts.

Nothing more and nothing less.
 
And I say shifts instead of expansions purposefully, as I don't think that, historically, the shifts in human understanding have been all-inclusive and logically evolved from one another. 
 

  • Like 2

Share this comment


Link to comment
Goddess of the Mist

Posted

Consider how much of science is based on theory, yet when we're growing up and in school, that's not how it's taught.  So we grow up believing that man has all these things already figured out, when in fact, it's all pure speculation!  I read a comment on here one day that went something like this - "Well, since these people are highly educated and trained (archaeologists, geologists, scientists, etc.), I tend to take their opinions as facts since they know more about the subject than I do."  Wrong answer!  This is exactly what's wrong with the world today.  Too many people not questioning things for themselves!

While it's fine to hold someone's opinion in high regard, we can't possibly take everything they say as truth.  There is so much about the nature of our reality that scientists are just beginning to delve into.  Things are much more mysterious than they seem; than are 5 senses are letting us know.

Nice job putting some of these ideas into words, LightAngel! 

  • Like 2

Share this comment


Link to comment
On 30/10/2018 at 9:29 PM, Goddess of the Mist said:

Consider how much of science is based on theory, yet when we're growing up and in school, that's not how it's taught.  So we grow up believing that man has all these things already figured out, when in fact, it's all pure speculation!  I read a comment on here one day that went something like this - "Well, since these people are highly educated and trained (archaeologists, geologists, scientists, etc.), I tend to take their opinions as facts since they know more about the subject than I do."  Wrong answer!  This is exactly what's wrong with the world today.  Too many people not questioning things for themselves!

While it's fine to hold someone's opinion in high regard, we can't possibly take everything they say as truth.  There is so much about the nature of our reality that scientists are just beginning to delve into.  Things are much more mysterious than they seem; than are 5 senses are letting us know.

Nice job putting some of these ideas into words, LightAngel! 

 

Likewise. ;)

My husband is a scientist, but he always says that science is only his profession.

In science, especially in R&D, it's important to have an equal measure of both knowledge of existing literature and an open mind. People in either extreme, those who only follow the book or those who are very creative but have poor knowledge of fundamentals - are generally bad scientists.

However, I personally don't believe that in search of the ultimate truth - science will be the "method" that will take us there. Even with the best model, the best technology, the most advanced whatever - we will only get closer - but never close enough. And I argue that this is because the final missing piece of that ultimate truth is that little piece that each and every one of us has to discover for ourselves.

And we don't need to wait for science or any other school of thought to "catch up" before we can find our own answers. 

  • Like 4

Share this comment


Link to comment

I think it's good to challenge science on some of their theories. If science wasn't challenged, things would remain stagnant.

Just because something doesn't fit the human condition doesn't mean it can't be possible.

  • Like 2

Share this comment


Link to comment
On 2/11/2018 at 7:40 PM, Hawken said:

I think it's good to challenge science on some of their theories. If science wasn't challenged, things would remain stagnant.

Just because something doesn't fit the human condition doesn't mean it can't be possible.

 

Agreed!

Share this comment


Link to comment

I just saw this:

Rupert Sheldrake - The Science Delusion.

 

 

Very inspiring! :tu:

 

  • Like 2

Share this comment


Link to comment

THE SIXTH SENSE - Dr. Rupert Sheldrake

 

 

 

"Dr. Rupert Sheldrake introduced his hypothesis of "morphic fields", which, in his opinion, serve as a kind of immaterial blueprint for any kind of form and structure in nature. For the last couple of decades, Sheldrake has been conducting a number of scientific studies, resulting in astounding evidence that his hypothesis is, in fact, true. Moreover, it turns out that telepathy - a phenomenon which Sheldrake also explains with morphic fields, happens much more often than previously assumed."

  • Like 2

Share this comment


Link to comment

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake - Morphogenetic Fields of Body and Mind - Quantum University

 

 

"According to the hypothesis of formative causation, all self-organizing systems, including crystals, plants and animals contain an inherent memory, given by a process called morphic resonance from previous similar systems. All human beings draw upon a collective human memory, and in turn contribute to it.

Even individual memory depends on morphic resonance rather than on physical memory traces stored within the brain. This hypothesis is testable experimentally, and implies that the so-called laws of nature are more like habits.

Morphic resonance works through morphic fields, which organize the bodies of plants and animals through vibratory patterns, and underlie their abilities to regenerate and heal after damage. Morphic fields also coordinate the vibratory activities of the nervous system, and are closely connected to mental activity.

Minds are extended beyond brains through these fields, and the effects of attention and intention at a distance can be detected experimentally."

 

  • Like 2

Share this comment


Link to comment

Rupert Sheldrake - Is The Sun Conscious?

 

 

"Recorded at Reconnect 2018 (7th July, Bath UK).  Speculative and thought provoking talk which asks us to look beyond the strict confines of scientific materialism and consider how the consciousness of stellar bodies (such as our Sun) is not only of anthropological or cultural interest but a valid field of enquiry in modern philosophy, psychology, cosmology, and neuroscience."

 

  • Thanks 1

Share this comment


Link to comment
Quote

How could we ever fight about anything? How could we ever feel anything else for each other but love?

Sometimes its just all about a song and a dance ... even after twenty years ... 

~

Jerry Lewis Telethon - The reunion with Dean Martin ('76) TheValhallaLive • 564K views

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EVGq4NANtk

 

 

[00.07:17]

~

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment
On 25/11/2018 at 6:10 PM, Goddess of the Mist said:

@LightAngel I'm really enjoying Rupert Sheldrake! Thank you for recommending these videos.  :)

 

You are welcome.

He expresses some of the thoughts I have had for years. 

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment

 

"Russell Targ is a physicist who spent several decades working in a US government program exploring "remote viewing" - an apparent anomalous extended characteristic of the mind. Targ is convinced the effect is real."

  • Like 1

Share this comment


Link to comment
Carlos Allende

Posted

This is a great subject but also kinda infuriating. LightAngel - it sounds to me as if you're in awe of consciousness, and quite rightly, it's just the COOLEST THING. I'm using mine right now!

But at the same time, I don't really see the point in talking about it. What you're describing (it seems to me) is that everyone should stop in their tracks and re-evaluate things ala Jean Paul Sartre Nausea. I disagree. There are degrees of consciousness, and we shouldn't be trying to impose mind-bending, Inception-style concepts onto the general public. In my book, it's enough for people to have even _the slightest_ amount of consciousness. And I don't say that as a kindly liberal. In fact, the exact opposite. I think if you took the average Chelsea-tractor-driving, multiple-kids housewife she'd have no more meaningful self-awareness than, say, a piece of bacteria. 

My point is, consciousness takes care of itself. I believe anyone who is the least bit conscious now will eventually become some kinda celestial, 'Billie-Piper-looking-into-the-heart-of-the-Tardis' type entity. Meanwhile, people who _aren't_ conscious will continue to cruise along, serving capitalism, numbing their 'minds' on primetime Channel Four libt ard fare, living vicariously through kids the country blatantly doesn't need. You could almost say the level of brinkmanship between people with the _smallest_ amount of self-awareness and _no self-awareness at all_ has been deliberately designed by God, or transdimensional evolution or whatever. Y'know.

Share this comment


Link to comment
LightAngel

Posted (edited)

@Carlos Allende:

 

While I agree with you that even the slightest amount of consciousness would make a difference in the world as it is now - I would still argue that this is not so much a matter of "how much" but ultimately - "yes or no".

It is true that the average person could do so much with an ounce of consciousness more - but those with an ounce already still have their work cut out for them, lest we should all become complacent (and infuriated) by those who have an ounce less than we do.

And whether this consciousness, its amount or lack thereof is a gift from God, aliens or Garfield the cat  ;) -  this still does not excuse us from the work that we have to do ourselves.

Edited by LightAngel

Share this comment


Link to comment
LightAngel

Posted

 

 

Rupert Sheldrake - University of Northampton - Psi in Everyday Life, Evidence and Debates.

Share this comment


Link to comment

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now