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Urantia- and some of W.S. Sadler's Nastiness


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80:2.2 (890.6) The purer indigo elements moved southward to the forests of central Africa, where they have ever since remained. The more mixed groups spread out in three directions: The superior tribes to the west migrated to Spain and thence to adjacent parts of Europe, forming the nucleus of the later Mediterranean long-headed brunet races. The least progressive division to the east of the Sahara plateau migrated to Arabia and thence through northern Mesopotamia and India to faraway Ceylon. The central group moved north and east to the Nile valley and into Palestine.

"Long Headed"......This caught my interest. 

Then I found this.

https://archive.org/details/longheadsroundhe00sadl/page/n8

'Long Heads and Round Heads or What's the Matter with Germany'

Anybody wishing to slug through it is more than welcome. Northern Asians and Algonquians are round headed so it made me throw up a little in my mouth.

This idea was also grabbed by many "Developmental Centers" ruining lives, people written off as stupid because the shape of their skull........

Here's another of Sadler's gems...."Racial Hygiene"  Shweeet! 

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Hygiene is a selfish cause, which aims to improve the pres ent generation ;
 eugenics is a truly altruistic enterprise which looks ahead and works for the improvement of the next and future generations. 

https://archive.org/details/racedecadenceexa00sadluoft/page/n6

I love this one.......

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“In the forests man has always deteriorated; human evolution has made progress only in the open and in the higher latitudes. The cold and hunger of the open lands stimulate action, invention, and resourcefulness. While these Andonic tribes were developing the pioneers of the present human race amidst the hardships and privations of these rugged northern climes, their backward cousins were luxuriating in the southern tropical forests of the land of their early common origin.”
 

This is lovely.......The finest agriculturalists in the world were the agro-foresters. Some techniques can't be reproduced even today. While Urantia describes the Garden of Eden as little more than a oversize WPA farm. Sadler completely missed the fact that agro-foresters did create a literal Garden of Eden. One that even maintained itself. While his "Adamites" worked their butts off and dealt with poor sanitation in his imaginary red brick WWII Era farmstead. 

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9 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

How are you not embarrassed to support such racist drivel?

 

It supports racial diversity positively, while emphasizing spiritual equality across the board.

What's the matter with that?

It's just a matter of adjusting one's thinking about it.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Will Due said:

The relevant thing about Thought Adusters is that everyone is indwelt by one. However diverse we are as individuals, either by race, by intellectual capacity, by spiritual aptitude, and so on, it makes us all equal.

This whole concept takes away from true human potential. Making us little more than puppets who can't think for ourselves and also takes away free will.

Humans have marvelous spiritual and thinking potential and need nothing to adjust anything. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

It supports racial diversity positively, while emphasizing spiritual equality across the board.

What's the matter with that?

It's just a matter of adjusting one's thinking about it.

 

 

The superior tribes to the west migrated to Spain and thence to adjacent parts of Europe, forming the nucleus of the later Mediterranean long-headed brunet races. ThThe superior tribes to the west migrated to Spain and thence to adjacent parts of Europe, forming the nucleus of the later Mediterranean long-headed brunet races. The least progressive division to the east of the Sahara plateau migrated to Arabia and thence through northern Mesopotamia and India to faraway Ceylon. The central group moved north and east to the Nile valley and into Palestine.e least progressive division to the east of the Sahara plateau migrated to Arabia and thence through northern Mesopotamia and India to faraway Ceylon. The central group moved north and east to the Nile valley and into Palestine.

 

Seriously dude, you've got to be freaking kidding me. If you think that's not racist you've got issues.

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Just now, Piney said:

This whole concept takes away from true human potential. Making us little more than puppets who can't think for ourselves and also takes away free will.

 

Thought Adjusters never think for us. They hold our sovereign free will as being paramount. They only guide us and help us to adjust. But only in accordance to our choices.

 

 

Just now, Piney said:

Humans have marvelous spiritual and thinking potential and need nothing to adjust anything. 

 

Everyone is adjusting their thinking all the time. It's what makes us alive as human beings. And we're never alone. But we're the captain.

 

 

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Will Due

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36 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

If you think that's not racist you've got issues.

 

Racism is the state of mind that says if you think you're superior to others, you have the right to oppress them.

The UB does not support this.

Eventhough it points out the racial differences between us, it emphasizes the brotherhood of all mankind and how that's due to the fatherhood of God. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Thought Adjusters never think for us. They hold our sovereign free will as being paramount. They only guide us and help us to adjust. But only in accordance to our choices.

That contradicts itself.  How does something guide you according to your choices? 

This along with the "doing God's Will" concept in the Urantia Book is just a rehash of the "Will of the gods'" concept. 

Which Sadler projected on Shintoism in the Urantia Book and isn't our belief.

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Apparently a thought adjuster is just a self-regulating mental construct. Basically a servitor programmed for a basic task of maintaining the urantia brainwashing/indoctrination. 

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3 minutes ago, Piney said:

That contradicts itself.  How does something guide you according to your choices? 

This along with the "doing God's Will" concept in the Urantia Book is just a rehash of the "Will of the gods'" concept. 

Which Sadler projected on Shintoism in the Urantia Book and isn't our belief.

 

For the record, all the evidence points to Sadler NOT being the author of the Urantia Book. However compelling it is to believe otherwise.

Sadler was a respected debunker of paranormal phenomenon. A skeptic of spiritual mediumship. A medical doctor and psychiatrist who doubted everything.

I've always found it it humorous that he ended up being perhaps the main catalyst in the publication of the Urantia Book. In a way, it kind of emphasizes its validity, having an opponent end up being its proponent. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Sadler

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Sadler was a respected debunker of paranormal phenomenon. A skeptic of spiritual mediumship. A medical doctor and psychiatrist who doubted everything.

Yet he promoted racism, bias based on skull shapes and eugenics. 

 

18 minutes ago, Will Due said:

I've always found it it humorous that he ended up being perhaps the main catalyst in the publication of the Urantia Book. In a way, it kind of emphasizes its validity, having an opponent end up being its proponent. 

He wasn't a opponent. His racial and religious theories are all in there.  

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22 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Apparently a thought adjuster is just a self-regulating mental construct. Basically a servitor programmed for a basic task of maintaining the urantia brainwashing/indoctrination. 

I was thinking the same thing.

Subconscious Thoughtform to keep the cycle of belief going. 

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3 minutes ago, Piney said:

I was thinking the same thing.

Subconscious Thoughtform to keep the cycle of belief going. 

Similar if not exactly the same as the god idea. 

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Just now, XenoFish said:

Similar if not exactly the same as the god idea. 

We should start our own school of thought..........

..........naw, that's why Non-Theistic Quakers number in the hundreds....nobody wants to think. :hmm:

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

We should start our own school of thought..........

Who would listen? People for the most part and not all of them simply do not want to think for themselves. So we are relegated to correcting people. And I'm getting tired of doing it. Apparently you really can't fix stupid.

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1 hour ago, Will Due said:

 

The relevant thing about Thought Adusters is that everyone is indwelt by one. However diverse we are as individuals, either by race, by intellectual capacity, by spiritual aptitude, and so on, it makes us all equal.

The manner of how our thoughts are being adjusted are identical.

The racial element is not involved at all and in the confines of this blog Piney, isn't that highly relevant?

 

 

 

 

Thank you. 

 

Every mortal who is consciously or unconsciously following the leading of his indwelling Adjuster is living in accordance with the will of God.

 

Can you really realize the true significance of the Adjuster’s indwelling? Do you really fathom what it means to have an absolute fragment of the absolute and infinite Deity, the Universal Father, indwelling and fusing with your finite mortal natures? When mortal man fuses with an actual fragment of the existential Cause of the total cosmos, no limit can ever be placed upon the destiny of such an unprecedented and unimaginable partnership. In eternity, man will be discovering not only the infinity of the objective Deity but also the unending potentiality of the subjective fragment of this same God. Always will the Adjuster be revealing to the mortal personality the wonder of God, and never can this supernal revelation come to an end, for the Adjuster is of God and as God to mortal man.

 

Origin and Nature of Thought Adjusters

 

 

Will Dud, there is not an absolute and infinite deity that guides and influence our actions. Yes there have been people throughout mans history who had philosophies that have been important in setting guidelines and social norms to attain a path that will lead to true enlightenment. Jesus was certainly one of them, however, he was no more important than Buddha or many others.

These people were not Gods, they were however, very wise human beings who could envision a path that any human could follow to attain an enlightened life if they were to follow the path to achieve it. The problem that has occurred during mans history is that many are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to walk these chosen paths. 

Every human being no matter their race or culture has had individuals who found a path to enlightenment. Today in most cultures humans have been elevated these people to the status of an omnipotent being ( a God ). This is where religion came from and in the minds of the founding humans, they were never meant to be labeled as a religious deity. Their only goal was to show man that true enlightenment is within each of us. Their only mission was to create a path to achieve it.

So before anyone can obtain an enlightened life, they must realize that the path is open and by looking within ones self anyone can find enlightenment and true peace.

Peace 

 

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

Yet he promoted racism, bias based on skull shapes and eugenics. 

 

Do people have different skull shapes? The UB simply points out this fact. Not that it is something to oppress people about.

Before Nazi Germany did what it did, eugenics was simply the idea that we can do things to improve people biologically. Today this is still persued. Like with eliminating disease.

 

 

1 minute ago, Piney said:

He wasn't a opponent. His racial and religious theories are all in there.  

 

Keep in mind that starting in the 1910's Sadler was being exposed to ideas I believe came from his experience with his patient who was the catalyst for those communications that resulted later in the publication of the Urantia Book. 

In my opinion, those ideas influenced what he wrote about as the author of several books. There are links to some of those books on his Wikipedia profile.

Sadler did not write the Urantia Book. Neither is the text of the UB the words of Sadler's patient copied down.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Will Dud, there is not an absolute and infinite deity that guides and influence our actions. Yes there have been people throughout mans history who had philosophies that have been in important it setting guidelines and social norms to attain a path that will lead to true enlightenment. Jesus was certainly one of them, however, he was no more important than Buddha or many others.

These people were not Gods, they were however, very wise human beings who could envision a path that any human could follow to attain an enlightened life if they were to follow the path to achieve it. The problem that has occurred during mans history is that many are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to walk these chosen paths. 

Every human being no matter their race or culture has had individuals who found a path to enlightenment. Today in most cultures these humans have been elevated to the status of an omnipotent being ( a God ). This is where religion came from and in the minds of the founding humans, they were never meant to be label as a religious deity. Their only goal was to show man that true enlightenment is within each of us. Their only mission was to create a path to achieve it.

So before anyone can obtain an enlightened life, they must realize that the path is open and by looking within ones self anyone can find enlightenment.

Peace 

 

 

Very well said. All of that is exactly what the UB says. Except it adds this:

Every human being is equally capable of achieving enlightenment like those who are revered today as prophets. In fact, it lays out how normal and universal it is. 

In so doing, it emphasizes that everyone is special while no one is special. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Sadler did not write the Urantia Book. Neither is the text of the UB the words of Sadler's patient copied down.

Well, it certainly shows many aspects of his writing style. English comp wasn't his strong point. 

So prove he didn't. 

17 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Do people have different skull shapes? The UB simply points out this fact. Not that it is something to oppress people about.

Why would it even be relevant except for somebody who wrote a book pointing out it affects intelligence. 

18 minutes ago, Will Due said:

In my opinion, those ideas influenced what he wrote about as the author of several books. There are links to some of those books on his Wikipedia profile.

Especially the racism. I'm reading them now. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Piney said:

Well, it certainly shows many aspects of his writing style. English comp wasn't his strong point. 

So prove he didn't. 

 

There is ample evidence that Sadler did not author the Urantia Book. There has been a lot of research into the authorship and by far the preponderance of the evidence indicates Sadler is not the author.

 

 

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Why would it even be relevant except for somebody who wrote a book pointing out it affects intelligence. 

 

The references in the UB regarding the racial and biological differences between people are there simply for that, a reference. It promotes tolerance towards all. Especially regarding race and the inate abilities of individuals regarding inteligence and spiritual capacity. It makes comments about primitive people in the past who we look down upon from our vantage point in the present as being in many ways superior to those who are considered advanced today.

 

 

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Especially the racism. I'm reading them now. 

 

 

The Urantia Book does not support racism. Neither does it support religious intolerance. It does not promote intolerance of any kind except towards the doing of what a person inherently knows is wrong to do in the first place, but does it anyways deliberately. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Will Due said:

The references in the UB regarding the racial and biological differences between people are there simply for that, a reference. It promotes tolerance towards all. Especially regarding race and the inate abilities of individuals regarding inteligence and spiritual capacity. It makes comments about primitive people in the past that we look upon from our vantage point in the present as being in many ways superior to those who are considered advanced today.

So your defending out of date "racial intellectual differences", 19th century racist pre-Adamite theories and all out attacks on people of African descent? 

Your said it all. Your dismissed now. Anything else from you will be deleted.......

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44 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Do people have different skull shapes? The UB simply points out this fact. Not that it is something to oppress people about. Before Nazi Germany did what it did, eugenics was simply the idea that we can do things to improve people biologically.

You are mixing 2 things up here, unconsciously or not, resulting into a serious insight into the UB`s nazi mission. There is the term eugenics, which you mentioned, and there is the term ethnology, which should had used related to the skull shape matter. The Nazis used ethnological knowledge (e.g. about skull shapes and the allocation to specific human races) to the benefit of their eugenic targets. In plain language: to kick individuals out of the genetic pool by sterilization or murder to fulfill the targets of "Rassenhygiene". As the UB was written in the 1950s, when genetic engineering did not existed, any idea and or any attempt to optimize a populations genetic conditions would had included the thought about sterilization at least. And thats quite nazi.

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Today this is still persued. Like with eliminating disease.

This is an argument without substance because new medical treatments have nothing to do with eugenics.

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1 minute ago, Piney said:

So your defending out of date "racial intellectual differences"

 

The Urantia Book does not say there are "racial intellectual differences".

 

 

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Just now, Will Due said:

The Urantia Book does not say there are "racial intellectual differences".

Then your blind because they are quoted all throughout this blog.

I'm picking apart the false history next.

Bye bye Will. 

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2 minutes ago, toast said:

This is an argument without substance because new medical treatments have nothing to do with eugenics.

Thank you for your input. :tu:

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1 minute ago, toast said:

You are mixing 2 things up here, unconsciously or not, resulting into a serious insight into the UB`s nazi mission. There is the term eugenics, which you mentioned, and there is the term ethnology, which should had used related to the skull shape matter. The Nazis used ethnological knowledge (e.g. about skull shapes and the allocation to specific human races) to the benefit of their eugenic targets. In plain language: to kick individuals out of the genetic pool by sterilization or murder to fulfill the targets of "Rassenhygiene". As the UB was written in the 1950s, when genetic engineering did not existed, any idea and or any attempt to optimize a populations genetic conditions would had included the thought about sterilization at least. And thats quite nazi.

 

The papers that were published in 1955 as the Urantia Book were written in 1934-35.

The authors of the Urantia Book do not promote the killing of anyone. Nor keeping someone out of the gene pool.

 

 

1 minute ago, toast said:

This is an argument without substance because new medical treatments have nothing to do with eugenics.

 

The term 'eugenics' is used in the UB as a reference to improving peoples lives biologically. Not to eliminate them before they have an opportunity to be alive.

 

 

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