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  2. Here's someone's sugegstion. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-a-believable-explanation-of-those-ufo-videos-released-by-the-navy-2019-10-15?mod=home-page I've no idea how reliable Market Watch may be, but I'm pleased to see that the idea of vacuum plasma bubbles, one that I've had for some time, might now be beginning to be taken seriously. It would solve a whole lot of issues regarding ultra high-speed flight, if you ask me.
  3. No, one of the biggies in the Mandela Effect world is the spelling flip/flop of Flintstones/Flinstones. A large untold number were experiencing this before I even knew about it. The universe is not what we think, bats We all know about common spelling errors too like you are talking about. This is something totally different.
  4. Alexandrajunex

    Help me explain these?!

    Thank you thank you thank you! I didn't notice the spike! Sometimes it takes someone else to point out what's right in front of you lol much appreciated! As for the pen marks I'm still baffled, I have a 2yr old and a 9yr old but they aren't allowed in my bedroom other than my eldest occasionally getting in to bed with me through the night. So I know it definitely wasn't them I just can't figure it out. The marks on my bed are dots, it looks like someone has flicked ink but then there's a line on the door in the same ink.
  5. Black Red Devil

    US betrays Kurdish Allies

    Nah, I'll think I'll keep putting my 2 cents worth in and calling it as I see it on an international site, in a 'non American' thread, obviously obeying the rules at all times but I'm afraid we all have a dog in this race from the time your leaders pretended to be the policemen around the world, interfering in everyone's internal affairs, invading countries, dragging others into their personal wars based on false flags and false pretenses. OTOH have your fun reading because nothing of what is said here will get Americans killed but the fact remains, Trump is a backstabber and people that defend his actions and condemned Obama's in Iraq are hypocrites, in my humble opinion of course.
  6. If you can't recall the day how do you know its missing
  7. Tatetopa

    On the fence about Universal Healthcare

    Good post.
  8. Tatetopa

    Turkey holding 50 US nuclear bombs hostage

    And what good to the US are nuclear weapons if they are disabled? If they are there and ready, they could be delivered by aircraft pretty quickly if conditions warranted. Otherwise they might as well be gone. Nobody needs empty bombs, but it does take them out of play. Russia might feel safer.. Just the threat causes us to move our valuable chess piece out of striking distance and back into safety. If the Russians are calling the shots, Erdogan has done his job.
  9. Most likely you got somehow confused, but I understand how the "feeling are real". Up to this day I have 1 day missing from memory, its been over 30years, but I remember "skipping" a day to his day,but then again I also know I was a toddler.
  10. Oh, I see what you are saying but thought you remembered something in an episode that didnt really happen. I had a similar experience with pumpkin/punpkin/punkin and hamster/hampster In my case it was word play from their end and my brain getting scrambled.
  11. Bats, because we're buddies I'll give you even another: Go to google and do a search on Pebbles Flintstone. You'll probably get a screen with a side box to the right that looks something like this. Pebbles Flintstones side box spelled correctly. There was a time when the side box showed the mysterious flip/flop spelling of Pebbles Flinstones. I actually have a screen capture from that timeframe when the flip/flop was active. Pebbles Flinstones side box.
  12. zygote_myles

    So music of the 90's

    It's 1993, friends, when we were a little bit Insane In The Brain by Cypress Hill.
  13. godnodog

    On the fence about Universal Healthcare

    You beat me by seconds, when adressing the real issue behind this.
  14. Dumbledore the Awesome

    Turkey holding 50 US nuclear bombs hostage

    Erdogan the mustache-twiddling supervillain gets better and better! Come on now. "holding 50 Nuclear Weapons hostage hahahaha! " I'm sure he must have a Persian cat.* * who are of course currently sanctioned by the State Department
  15. godnodog

    On the fence about Universal Healthcare

    The reason why in most countries with public health services are doing a poor job is because politicians are deliberately under financing it, in order to later on to 2 things: 1- At electoral campaingns, they promisse to raise the healt srrvices budget, they wont 2- they wont because they are subservient to private interests and want to slowly end the public service Public nealth care being crap is BS, intentional underfunded is the real culprid, take a look at the US, imagine if all working citizens pooled together for a basic health care service, and public contract biddings would far bigger than any private health business, but than again the median profkt margin per customer would drop significantly. Also when I refer to basic public health care I dont mean this gender change operations, or boobs jobs, I mean life threathning cenarios, vaccinations programs, cancer prevention programs, etc, accident injuries, etc. Take a look at my country, where extreme absurd situations occurs, the budget is low, so hospitals are not allowed to hire more doctos becajse its too expensive, but the Health Department allows hospitals to hire services provided by private corporations at 10x or more the cost of hiring directly a doctor, hey but private sector provides a better job. I call this corruption. If I lived in the USA I would be dead by now, as I could not afford private health plans insurance. I am not agains private health systems, I do welcome them. Call me a commie if you want, but public bealth care services is a necessity.
  16. Tatetopa

    On the fence about Universal Healthcare

    If gasoline cost $30 dollars a gallon, it wouldn't help us much for the government to give everybody $10 dollars a gallon to help us out. Part of the problem is our health care system. Part of the problem is us. Giving us coverage seems like a nice thing to do, but without changing our habits and changing how we deliver health care, it will not keep costs from climbing out of sight over time. Andthen has experience, I just have opinions so I will defer to him in case of tie. If drugs cost too much, I think there might be three ways to bring cost down without destroying the free enterprise system. Volume bargaining. Medicade was prevented from doing that by Congress to protect drug companies. If Medicare & Medicaid and V/A is going to buy a billion dollars worth of insulin, they should get a volume discount. That is the way Costco or Walmart has low prices. If American companies are too high, we should be allowed to buy mail order from Canada, Europe, or Mexico. Patents for medicines are designed for payback of research. If government or universities contribute to that research, protection time should be reduced. Or the FDA grants 10 billion dollars a year for research and medicines produced under their auspices get a price reduction. They could focus on low payback drugs that only a few hundred or thousand people desperately need to stay alive. You have no doubt heard of kids whose parents have a $200K a year prescription bill. Education could play a part too. The US is not the most obese country in the world, it looks like Polynesian nations hold that title, but we are more obese than most of our European friends. That may be one reason why European health care is less expensive. Preventative medicine could be stressed. A lot of insurance discourages smoking and pays for yearly checkups and dental checks. Giving only that to all people , dental and health checks might go a long way to making us healthier and live longer for cheaper. Nurse practitioners seem to do a really good job on this level. Truth is, everybody does not need 8 years of medical school to treat most common complaints. I think andthen does have a point, there is not enough bureaucracy nor do we want it to administer some kind of insurance plan for all citizens. That does not mean the government can not provide some leverage and resources and education to help at a basic some basic level. As a suggestion, find coal miners and laid off auto plant workers that could be retrained as community health care workers and put them to work in their home towns. The point is we don't have to go overboard socialist, but we can do some things to make our situation better. First of course, you have to care about citizens.
  17. On Aug 2, 2017 at about 16:40 EST, I was on reddit discussing the Flinstones/Flintstones flip on another thread. My position was that it is and always was the Flintstones. The guy sent me a reply saying at the time it was the Flinstones you could look at Wikipedia, and all official TV show and vitamin sites and it was always Flintstones; he used the word Flintstones in all four examples given. I said 'I Know' you are confirming my point that it was always Flintstones. Then when I was done with my reply and I looked up at his original post and all four 'Flintstones' had changed on my static display to 'Flinstones'. Did I just see it wrong?? I looked away and came back and it was 'Flintstones' again. I would just look away, blink, change my focus looked back and it would flip again. I was able to do this 6 or 7 times in under five minutes each time looking slowly and cautiously for this controversial 't' IN ALL FOUR PLACES. Essentially impossible to me that I made a mistake slowly and cautiously each time. I felt something was trying to wake me up.
  18. openozy

    'Waiting for end of time' in a Dutch basement

    They may have been filming the next Apollo mission.
  19. That semja guy claimed he shot two, killed the young one, presented the "meat" for DNA testing, bummer it was a bear, wait, so he mistook a bear for a bigfoot so his case furthers the idea bf are bullet proof.
  20. the13bats

    I accidentally called myself ?

    Sorry, when gadgets like phones are involved i expect all kinds of odd things are possible, weird, odd, not paranormal,
  21. Please share it i was a huge Flintstones fan, I wanna see how it hits me. I was smoother than you were...this time. You mean basically all my life I have not been having time jumps to tangent universes when i get a nervious jarring from my inner ear issues when i ride in an elevator? Bummer.
  22. I know its a dream, my point was it feels different more real in memory, yes, the benzos did harm my health.
  23. No, like xeno already said these thoughts do not physically manifest, they are not autonomous entities, just in the mind of the believer, which of course is very real, to that person. I respect it can be very hard for some to admit somehing is "all in our head". And I had a good friend who did all kinds of experiments with drugs but wasn't a believer in the paranormal, he always said the mind cant be trusted. As far as Indian and their opinions piney is my go to for that. In a way i get the vibe you want this to be paranormal while i dont believe it is i will respect what you believe, I don't have to agree to respect you. Now stepping past the paranormal, I have concerns about your gfs health, fainting is not good, my wife fainted getting her nose pierced, so what ? no big deal, but fainting can and is the symptom of something, might be nothing or might be serious but it needs to be checked not by an exocist but a physician. Hey, perhaps you are gonna be a father, or she has blood sugar or blood pressure issues, perhaps low salt, that knocked my dad into the icu, but no guessing get it checked.
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  25. Tatetopa

    Charting New World Order W/Psychotronics

    Thanks andthen. Good advice. I know it is a thankless task trying to teach me anything. I appreciate the effort, no sarcasm. Hi EMRvictim. Your long statement took me a while to digest. First off, wouldn't it be a lot easier just to kill these individuals? The world is violent enough not to notice a few extra deaths. I wonder that all that manpower and equipment could go unnoticed in a host country like the US for example. They would probably be in on it too don't you think? Why do you think you are being targeted?
  26. ‘Rumsfeld, An American Disaster’ By ANDREW COCKBURN MARCH 25, 2007 Chapter 1. Just after 9:37 A.M. on the morning of September 11, 2001, Officer Aubrey Davis of the Pentagon police was standing outside Donald Rumsfeld's office on the third floor of the Pentagon's E Ring. Inside, Rumsfeld, though aware that the World Trade Center towers in New York had already been hit, was proceeding with his regularly scheduled CIA briefing. Davis, on the other hand, had concluded from watching the TV news that the country was under attack and the Pentagon might be a target. Assigned to the defense secretary's personal bodyguard, he had come on his own initiative, ready to move Rumsfeld to a better-protected location. "There was an incredibly loud 'boom,'" says Davis, raising his voice slightly on the last word. Fifteen or twenty seconds later, just as his radio crackled with a message, the door opened and Rumsfeld walked out, looking composed and wearing the jacket he normally discarded while in his office. "Sir," said Davis, quoting what he had heard on his radio, "we're getting a report that an airplane has hit the Mall." "The Mall?" replied Rumsfeld calmly. Without further word, the secretary of defense turned on his heel and set off at a sharp pace toward the so-called Mall section of the Pentagon. Down the hall, someone ran out of a VIP dining room screaming, "They're bombing the building, they're bombing the building." Davis frantically waved for colleagues to catch up as the stocky, 5' 8" defense secretary marched ahead of his lanky escort. The group, which grew to include several more police officers as well as Rumsfeld's personal communications aide, turned into the wide passageway running along the Mall face of the building. Thick crowds of Pentagon staff, in and out of uniform, were hurrying past in the opposite direction. They could smell smoke, but there was no sign of any damage here. "I thought you said the Mall," said Rumsfeld. "Sir," responded Davis, holding his radio, "now we're hearing it's by the heliport." This meant the next side of the building farther along from the Mall. Rumsfeld set off again without a word, ignoring Davis's protestations that they should turn back. "At the end of the Mall corridor, we dropped down a stairway to the second floor, and then a little farther we dropped down to the first. It was dark and there was a lot of smoke. Then we saw daylight through a door that was hanging open." Groping through the darkness to the door, the group emerged outside. In front of them, just thirty yards away, roared a "wall of flame." "There were the flames, and bits of metal all around," Davis remembers, as well as injured people. He noticed the white legs of a woman lying on the ground, then realized with a shock that she was African-American, horribly burned. "The secretary picked up one of the pieces of metal. I was telling him he shouldn't be interfering with a crime scene when he looked at some inscription on it and said, 'American Airlines.' Then someone shouted, 'Help, over here,' and we ran over and helped push an injured person on a gurney over to the road." While the secretary of defense was pushing a gurney, Davis's radio was crackling with frantic pleas from his control room regarding Rumsfeld's whereabouts. "It was 'Dr. Cambone [Rumsfeld's closest aide] is asking, Dr. Cambone wants to find the secretary.' I kept saying, 'We've got him,' but the system was overloaded, everyone on the frequency was talking, everything jumbled, so I couldn't get through and they went on asking." An emergency worker approached, saying that equipment and medical supplies were needed. "Tell this man what you need," said Rumsfeld, gesturing to the communications aide, apparently oblivious of the fact that there were no communications. Once they had pushed the wounded man on the gurney over to the road, the bodyguard was finally able to lead his charge back inside the building. "I'd say we were gone fifteen minutes, max," he told me in his account of what happened that morning. Given the time it took to make their way down those Pentagon corridors – each side of the enormous building is the length of three football fields – Rumsfeld was actually at the crash site for only a fraction of that period. Yet those few minutes made Rumsfeld famous, changed him from a half-forgotten twentieth-century political figure to America's twenty-first-century warlord. On a day when the president was intermittently visible, only Rumsfeld, along with New York mayor Rudy Giuliani, gave the country an image of decisive, courageous leadership. According to his spokesman, the sixty-nine-year-old defense secretary's "first instinct was to go out through the building to the crash site and help." Over time, the legend grew. One of the staffers in the office later assured me that Rumsfeld had "torn his shirt into strips" to make bandages for the wounded. As we shall see, Rumsfeld was first and foremost a politician, though not always a successful one. The weeks before the attacks had been one of the unsuccessful phases, with rumors spreading in Washington that he would shortly be removed from his post. Only the day before he had lashed out at the Pentagon workforce, denouncing the assembled soldiers and civilians as "a threat, a serious threat, to the security of the United States of America." Now, his instinctive dash to the crash site could inspire loyalty and support among those he had derided. An official in the Office of Plans, Analysis and Evaluation, whose office was close to Rumsfeld's, saw him walking swiftly down the hall in the first minutes after the crash. Later, when he heard where Rumsfeld had been, he thought, "very astute, politically." Hatred and resentment among those in his wake had been a regular feature of Rumsfeld's career, and 9/11 proved no exception. I first realized this while discussing that day with a senior White House official who had been in the Situation Room, desperately trying to coordinate a response to the bewildering disaster of the attacks. As he reminisced, I mentioned that despite the legend, it didn't seem as if Rumsfeld could have had much time for rescue work that morning. "What was Rumsfeld doing on 9/11?" said the former official with sudden anger. "He deserted his post. He disappeared. The country was under attack. Where was the guy who controls America's defense? Out of touch!" "He wasn't gone for very long," I observed mildly. My friend waved his coffee mug in emphatic rebuttal. "How long does it take for something bad to happen? No one knew what was happening. What if this had been the opening shot of a coordinated attack by a hostile power? Outrageous, to abandon your responsibilities and go off and do what you don't need to be doing, grandstanding." This conversation took place in March 2006, just before it became commonplace in Washington to speak disrespectfully of Rumsfeld, at least in anything louder than a whisper, so I was taken aback by the vehemence of his response. A minute later, this sober bureaucrat burst forth with renewed passion. "He's a megalomaniac who has to be in control at all times," he fumed. "He is the worst secretary of defense there has ever been, worse than [Robert] McNamara. He is playing a major part in destroying this presidency." Clearly, Rumsfeld was reviled in certain parts of the Bush administration. Yet such antagonisms occur in every presidency. But what did it mean, I wondered, that Rumsfeld had "deserted his post"? Though most people assume that the chain of command runs from the president to the vice president, the cold war bequeathed a significant constitutional readjustment. In an age when an enemy attack might allow only a few minutes for detection and reaction, control of American military power became vested in the National Command Authority, which consists of the president and the secretary of defense. Collectively, the NCA is the ultimate source of military orders, uniquely empowered, among other things, to order the use of nuclear weapons. In time of war, therefore, Rumsfeld was effectively the president's partner, the direct link to the fighting forces, and all orders had to go through him. Such orders were supposed to be transmitted from a two-story complex at the end of a narrow passageway across the corridor from Rumsfeld's office. This was the National Military Command Center, staffed twenty-four hours a day with as many as two hundred military officers and civilian staff and equipped with arrays of communications systems, including multiple screens for video conferences. "All very Star Trek," recalls an official who formerly served there. This was the operational center for any and every crisis, from nuclear war to hijacked airliners. The command center organized conference calls enabling key officials around the government to communicate and coordinate. At 9:39 A.M. that morning, just over a minute after the Pentagon was hit, the navy captain in charge of the command center announced on the "air threat conference call" that had just begun that "an air attack on North America may be in progress," and asked that the secretary of defense come to the center. A few minutes later, the secretary's office reported back that he was nowhere to be found. The chain of command was broken. In fact, Rumsfeld was at the crash site, though eventually it occurred to him that he might perhaps be in the wrong place: "... at some moment I decided I should be in here," he told Parade magazine in his office a month later, "figuring out what to do, because your brain begins to connect things." Rumsfeld was back in the building by ten o'clock, but despite the anxious pleas from the military, he did not go to the command center. Instead, he headed for his office, where he spoke to President Bush, though afterward neither man could recall what they discussed. Next, in his words, he moved to "a room about 30 yards away here in this building ... that's sealable." That would have been the Executive Support Center, conference rooms "secure" against electronic eavesdropping right next door to the military command center. Waiting here was a small group, distinguished above all else by their personal loyalty to Rumsfeld. One was Stephen Cambone, the aide who had been inquiring so anxiously for his whereabouts minutes before. Of all in Rumsfeld's court, Cambone cast the longest shadow, energetically accumulating power thanks to the protective embrace of his mentor and his acknowledged intelligence. Also there was Rumsfeld's personal chief of staff, Larry Di Rita, a former naval officer who had moved into Rumsfeld's orbit from the right-wing staff of Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison. Di Rita's defining characteristic was his devotion to the boss. (An Olympic-standard squash player, he would still dutifully lose to Rumsfeld.) The third person in the room was his spokesperson, Victoria (Torie) Clarke, a consummate public relations professional, artful enough to promote Rumsfeld - who was so secretive that he would refuse to tell his own deputy what had happened in White House meetings - as a paragon of openness and transparency. After a brief discussion with this select group, Rumsfeld finally made his way to the military command center. It was almost 10:30. Only then, as he later explained to the 9/11 Commission, did he begin to gain "situational awareness" of what was going on. After a brief interval he spoke with Vice President Dick Cheney, who was in a bunker under the White House and for the previous forty minutes had been issuing orders to shoot down suspicious airliners. "There's been at least three instances here where we've had reports of aircraft approaching Washington – a couple were confirmed hijack," Cheney told Rumsfeld in his favored clipped, macho style. "And pursuant to the President's instructions I gave authorization for them to be taken out." Actually, the presidential authorization cited by Cheney consisted, at best, of the words "You bet" from Bush as Air Force One streaked out of Orlando, Florida. In any event, it was Rumsfeld, not Cheney, who was legally in the chain of command and authorized to give such an order. "So we've got a couple of [military] aircraft up there that have those instructions at this present time?" asked Rumsfeld, still catching up. "That is correct," replied Cheney. "And it's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out." Together, these two men dominated the U.S. government for six years. They must have had thousands of conversations, but this snatch of dialogue, as released by the 9/11 Commission, is the only known publicly available sample of a private conversation between them. Though brief, it is instructive. Not for the last time, they were reacting to information that was wholly inaccurate - there were no more hijacked airliners in the sky. One of the planes Cheney had ordered "taken out" was United Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania ten minutes before he issued the command. The other was a low-flying medevac helicopter on its way to the Pentagon. Neither man seemed concerned that the president was not involved. Cheney was usurping his authority, since he was not in the chain of command. Lacking any experience in the military, the vice president may not have realized that military commanders like precise orders, and will not proceed without them, which was why the fighter commanders chose not to pass on his aggressive instructions to the pilots. Rumsfeld, once he had finally settled into his place at the command center, got to work on the "rules of engagement" for the fighter pilots. This was an irrelevant exercise for he did not complete and issue them until 1:00 P.M., hours after the last hijacker had died. Later, when asked why he had taken no part in military operations that morning, Rumsfeld blithely insisted that it was not his job. "The Department of Defense," he told the 9/11 Commission in 2004, "did not have responsibility for the borders. It did not have responsibility for the airports ... a civilian aircraft was a law enforcement matter to be handled by law enforcement authorities and aviation authorities." Expanding on this theme, he explained that the Defense Department's only responsibility when a civilian plane was hijacked was to "send up an aircraft and monitor the flight, but certainly in a hijack situation [the military] did not have authority to shoot down a plane that was being hijacked." This statement was flat out untrue, but none of the commissioners dared call him to account. Having absented himself from military involvement while the al Qaeda attacks were actually in progress on the morning of 9/11, Rumsfeld began the afternoon with the first fateful steps toward the war that would secure his historical reputation. At 12:05 P.M., CIA director George Tenet called to report that just fifteen minutes after the Pentagon had been hit, the National Security Agency (NSA) had intercepted a phone call between a known associate of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and someone in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia. The bin Laden associate announced that he had heard "good news," and that another target was still to be hit (presumably the intended target of Flight 93). Tenet also reported that one of the hijackers on the Pentagon plane had been linked to someone involved in the suicide attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Here was clear confirmation that the millionaire Saudi leader of al Qaeda was behind that day's attacks. Rumsfeld was having none of it. According to Cambone's cryptic notes, the secretary felt this intelligence was "'vague,' that it might not mean something, and that there was 'no good basis for hanging hat.'" So whatever the terrorists might be saying on the phone, the secretary of defense was reserving judgment. The moment was a textbook example of Rumsfeld's standard reaction to information that did not suit his preconceptions. It would recur in the years to come. In a brief televised press conference at 6:40 that evening, in which Rumsfeld's calm demeanor much impressed viewers, veteran Reuters Pentagon correspondent Charlie Aldinger asked, "Mr. Secretary, did you have any inkling at all, in any way, that something of this nature and something of this scope might be planned?" "Charlie," responded Rumsfeld quickly, "we don't discuss intelligence matters." The response appeared to reflect his tough-minded prudence in times of crisis. Yet in retrospect, it is easy to understand his reluctance to pursue the subject. Two months before, an intelligence report prepared for the National Security Council (NSC) had concluded "we believe that UBL [Usama bin Laden (sic)] will launch a significant terrorist attack against U.S. and/or Israeli interests in the coming weeks. The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning."
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